Factory Farms

riotgrl

brianlux wrote:

Forget cows milk you guys. Goat milk is so much easier to digest and it's sweeter. The best I've ever had came from goats on a small farm I visited in Colorado. I milked the goat myself, put the milk in the fridge just long enough to chill it and then drank it. Unbelievably good!

Mmmmm.....we have local goat cheese around here and it is soooo addictive!

Cradles Broken Glass

Shawshank wrote:

If anyone really stops to think about what they do in factory farming, both to plants and animals...and I'm not even talking about the animal cruelty here...I'm just talking about the hormones, the chemicals, the pesticides, the crap they feed animals, and how they process them...anyone with at least 3 or 4 marbles rolling around would do whatever they could to avoid as much of that shit as possible. We are all being slowly poisoned, and people are too worried about the fucking dollar menu to care.

Exactly! It is reasons like this that I no longer eat meat. Part of it is that I do not want to eat the cute little animals, but it has just as much to do with everything that you named.

polaris_x

DS1119 wrote:

Just google it. I mean I didn't make it up and I just did search it and probably five articles came up about it. :?

soo ... according to the chobani website ... they use milk that doesn't have rBST ... something most factory farms use ... so, chalk one up for non-industrialized practice! ...

DS1119

polaris_x wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Just google it. I mean I didn't make it up and I just did search it and probably five articles came up about it. :?

soo ... according to the chobani website ... they use milk that doesn't have rBST ... something most factory farms use ... so, chalk one up for non-industrialized practice! ...

I wouldn't say most factory farms use rbst. I aslo grew up in the area where that yougurt is produced and know of the farms where the milk comes from. I'll leave it at that. And maybe Chobani doesn't use it, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but their yogurt is also a premium over others. I was just citing one example of the demands for farm resources. No one in this country can reasonabley expect food to be able to be produced in the amounts and costs it is if factory farming went away. No one will convince me of that. I don't give a shit how many bar grapghs or pie charts people come up with. It's impossible.

Then again, if the 10,000 people all crammed into one city block of NYC each want to start their own farms (don't know where) they should be able to eat.

polaris_x

DS1119 wrote:

I wouldn't say most factory farms use rbst. I aslo grew up in the area where that yougurt is produced and know of the farms where the milk comes from. I'll leave it at that. And maybe Chobani doesn't use it, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but their yogurt is also a premium over others. I was just citing one example of the demands for farm resources. No one in this country can reasonabley expect food to be able to be produced in the amounts and costs it is if factory farming went away. No one will convince me of that. I don't give a shit how many bar grapghs or pie charts people come up with. It's impossible.

Then again, if the 10,000 people all crammed into one city block of NYC each want to start their own farms (don't know where) they should be able to eat.

do you have any evidence to support your argument!? ... there is plenty of literature that a non-industrialized food system can easily feed the population ... even if greek yogurt consumption went up 5000% ...

DS1119

polaris_x wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I wouldn't say most factory farms use rbst. I aslo grew up in the area where that yougurt is produced and know of the farms where the milk comes from. I'll leave it at that. And maybe Chobani doesn't use it, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but their yogurt is also a premium over others. I was just citing one example of the demands for farm resources. No one in this country can reasonabley expect food to be able to be produced in the amounts and costs it is if factory farming went away. No one will convince me of that. I don't give a shit how many bar grapghs or pie charts people come up with. It's impossible.

Then again, if the 10,000 people all crammed into one city block of NYC each want to start their own farms (don't know where) they should be able to eat.

do you have any evidence to support your argument!? ... there is plenty of literature that a non-industrialized food system can easily feed the population ... even if greek yogurt consumption went up 5000% ...

I don't need any evidence. You believe what yu believe and I believe what I believe. Once I see more people leaving their cubicles and turning to farming...say even 5% of the population...then I'll look at it and consider changing my mind. Until then, more people will continue becoming college educated, working white collar jobs, and depending on these farming techniques for food. Just the way it is.

polaris_x

DS1119 wrote:

I don't need any evidence. You believe what yu believe and I believe what I believe. Once I see more people leaving their cubicles and turning to farming...say even 5% of the population...then I'll look at it and consider changing my mind. Until then, more people will continue becoming college educated, working white collar jobs, and depending on these farming techniques for food. Just the way it is.

... ok ... then ...

DS1119

polaris_x wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I don't need any evidence. You believe what yu believe and I believe what I believe. Once I see more people leaving their cubicles and turning to farming...say even 5% of the population...then I'll look at it and consider changing my mind. Until then, more people will continue becoming college educated, working white collar jobs, and depending on these farming techniques for food. Just the way it is.

... ok ... then ...

I guess I'll just leave these numbers...2% of US farms control over 40% of the livestock. 79% of pork is raised on farms with 2000 pigs or more. Until more people actually want to go into farming and then ASSUMING they could actually economically compete...I say nope.


I grew up in basic small town America of Utica, NY. My graduating class of 230 or so had one kid who came from a farming family. After his dad died the family sold his farms and they are now developed into very nice neighbrohoods, a Home Depot, and a Wal-Mart. I don't know what everyone I graduated with is doing but I'm pretty sure none of them went into farming and if they did they certainly didn't aspire to do it.

polaris_x

DS1119 wrote:

I guess I'll just leave these numbers...2% of US farms control over 40% of the livestock. 79% of pork is raised on farms with 2000 pigs or more. Until more people actually want to go into farming and then ASSUMING they could actually economically compete...I say nope.


I grew up in basic small town America of Utica, NY. My graduating class of 230 or so had one kid who came from a farming family. After his dad died the family sold his farms and they are now developed into very nice neighbrohoods, a Home Depot, and a Wal-Mart. I don't know what everyone I graduated with is doing but I'm pretty sure none of them went into farming and if they did they certainly didn't aspire to do it.

the decline in manufacturing jobs is probably suffering the exact same decline ... it isn't because people don't want to work in manufacturing - it's because the foundation for that industry has been altered to favour the multinational model ... it's what we've been talking about ... it's one of the myriad of problems associated with factory farming ... there are plenty of countries out there that can feed its population without industrialized farming practices and with a healthy farming culture .. why is that? ...

DS1119

polaris_x wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I guess I'll just leave these numbers...2% of US farms control over 40% of the livestock. 79% of pork is raised on farms with 2000 pigs or more. Until more people actually want to go into farming and then ASSUMING they could actually economically compete...I say nope.


I grew up in basic small town America of Utica, NY. My graduating class of 230 or so had one kid who came from a farming family. After his dad died the family sold his farms and they are now developed into very nice neighbrohoods, a Home Depot, and a Wal-Mart. I don't know what everyone I graduated with is doing but I'm pretty sure none of them went into farming and if they did they certainly didn't aspire to do it.

the decline in manufacturing jobs is probably suffering the exact same decline ... it isn't because people don't want to work in manufacturing - it's because the foundation for that industry has been altered to favour the multinational model ... it's what we've been talking about ... it's one of the myriad of problems associated with factory farming ... there are plenty of countries out there that can feed its population without industrialized farming practices and with a healthy farming culture .. why is that? ...

No, people in this country don't want to work in manufacturing just like they don't want to farm.

What countries are you talking about?

polaris_x

DS1119 wrote:

No, people in this country don't want to work in manufacturing just like they don't want to farm.

What countries are you talking about?

uhhh ... you are actually saying people don't want manufacturing jobs!??? ... really!??

http://blogs.worldwatch.org/nourishingt ... pdf?cda6c1

DS1119

polaris_x wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

No, people in this country don't want to work in manufacturing just like they don't want to farm.

What countries are you talking about?

uhhh ... you are actually saying people don't want manufacturing jobs!??? ... really!??

http://blogs.worldwatch.org/nourishingt ... pdf?cda6c1

No. US citizens don't want to work in manufacturing and US citizens don't want to work in farming.

I guess I'm still waiting for that list of countries that are successful without factory farming like you posted previously.

polaris_x

DS1119 wrote:

No. US citizens don't want to work in manufacturing and US citizens don't want to work in farming.

I guess I'm still waiting for that list of countries that are successful without factory farming like you posted previously.

http://ec.europa.eu/food/food/biotechno ... ion_en.htm

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/ ... E420120915

DS1119

polaris_x wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

No. US citizens don't want to work in manufacturing and US citizens don't want to work in farming.

I guess I'm still waiting for that list of countries that are successful without factory farming like you posted previously.

http://ec.europa.eu/food/food/biotechno ... ion_en.htm

Ok. And now countries with populations that aren't just the same as some of our biggest cities.

Also...there's a lot of "mays" in that.

polaris_x

DS1119 wrote:

http://ec.europa.eu/food/food/biotechnology/gmo_ban_cultivation_en.htm

Ok. And now countries with populations that aren't just the same as some of our biggest cities.

Also...there's a lot of "mays" in that. [/quote]

uhhh ... france!? ... ... frig ... even russia is banning corn gmo ... that's gotta tell you something ...

DS1119

polaris_x wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

http://ec.europa.eu/food/food/biotechnology/gmo_ban_cultivation_en.htm

Ok. And now countries with populations that aren't just the same as some of our biggest cities.

Also...there's a lot of "mays" in that.

uhhh ... france!? ... ... frig ... even russia is banning corn gmo ... that's gotta tell you something ...[/quote]


Nope. It doesn't. I could care less what the rest of the world thinks they know. Just be glad you don't live here in the backwards ole USA eh? I mean we do nothing right correct? We possibly may be the stupidest nation in the world? Everyone makes fun of our food? Our politics? Our election process? Pretty much everything gets criticized. It's laughable the amount of attention this country gets from the rest of the world. Oh well. Rest well Canadians...as long as we are to your south you have nothing to worry about.

polaris_x

DS1119 wrote:

Nope. It doesn't. I could care less what the rest of the world thinks they know. Just be glad you don't live here in the backwards ole USA eh? I mean we do nothing right correct? We possibly may be the stupidest nation in the world? Everyone makes fun of our food? Our politics? Our election process? Pretty much everything gets criticized. It's laughable the amount of attention this country gets from the rest of the world. Oh well. Rest well Canadians...as long as we are to your south you have nothing to worry about.

you could start a U-S-A chant ... if that'll make you feel better ...

DS1119

Going to my fridge to choose from one of the 4 varities of ice cream I have...full of awesome chemicals....love them. I may put an IV up and just pump this shit into my body.

polaris_x

DS1119 wrote:

Going to my fridge to choose from one of the 4 varities of ice cream I have...full of awesome chemicals....love them. I may put an IV up and just pump this shit into my body.

Bronx Bombers

Less than a year after a Mercy For Animals undercover investigation into a Butterball turkey facility led to five workers being charged with criminal cruelty to animals, a new investigation shows that animal abuse continues to run rampant at Butterball factory farms.

In October of 2012, an MFA investigator documented a pattern of shocking abuse and neglect at numerous Butterball turkey operations in North Carolina, including:

workers kicking and stomping on birds, dragging them by their fragile wings and necks, and maliciously throwing turkeys onto the ground or on top of other birds;

birds suffering from serious untreated illnesses and injuries, including open sores, infections, and broken bones; andworkers grabbing birds by their wings or necks and violently slamming them into tiny transport crates with no regard for their welfare.

http://www.butterballabuse.com/