Factory Farms

grooveme

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Free range is just a marketing strategy, there are no special USDA standards in free range egg production.

http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html

Free-Range: While the USDA has defined the meaning of "free-range" for some poultry products, there are no standards in "free-range" egg production. Typically, free-range hens are uncaged inside barns or warehouses and have some degree of outdoor access, but there are no requirements for the amount, duration or quality of outdoor access. Since they are not caged, they can engage in many natural behaviors such as nesting and foraging. There are no restrictions regarding what the birds can be fed. Beak cutting and forced molting through starvation are permitted. There is no third-party auditing.

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/con ... abels.html

True. that's why Its best to buy from local producers that you can actually visit and see that the hens actually live outside primarily. Or raise your own.

Jason P

Growing up around farms, I'm probably more immune to the conditions that livestock are in. But if there was one thing that really stood out as the epitome of harsh conditions, it's veal barns.

I figure these would be numero uno on the PETA shit list.

chadwick

Godfather. wrote:

this really sucks.....but I like mine rare and my poltry oven cooked not fried and at an affordable price.

Godfather.

and in iowa i have a great chance of getting food that was raised nearby and out in a pasture on a real old school farm. the eggs i eat are from hens in a community of amish and mennonite farmers. our cattle and pigs are outdoors and come into the barns @ dusk. sure some asshole iowa farmers have those big ass hog confinements. i would enjoy slapping each one of those so called farmers upside the head.

the video clip was sad as shit

josevolution

Time to become a vegan , i can do it i can do it i can do it

chadwick

josevolution wrote:

Time to become a vegan , i can do it i can do it i can do it

yeah i been tossing this concept around for years now. oneday i truly believe it'll happen for me. i can skip red meat, yeppers i can. but i just love me some ham. how the heck do i skip country ham with my pancakes? that is truly a great meal right there, man.

josevolution

chadwick wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Time to become a vegan , i can do it i can do it i can do it

yeah i been tossing this concept around for years now. oneday i truly believe it'll happen for me. i can skip red meat, yeppers i can. but i just love me some ham. how the heck do i skip country ham with my pancakes? that is truly a great meal right there, man.

I hear you if i do it i have to give it all up ...i was a vegan for like two yrs when i was in my 20's but now it seems like i love meat more than ever ...

riotgrl

chadwick wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

this really sucks.....but I like mine rare and my poltry oven cooked not fried and at an affordable price.

Godfather.

and in iowa i have a great chance of getting food that was raised nearby and out in a pasture on a real old school farm. the eggs i eat are from hens in a community of amish and mennonite farmers. our cattle and pigs are outdoors and come into the barns @ dusk. sure some asshole iowa farmers have those big ass hog confinements. i would enjoy slapping each one of those so called farmers upside the head.

the video clip was sad as shit

^^^This. I only buy my chicken, beef, veal, lamb from a local farmer where I can visit his farm and check out the conditions for myself. While I have reduced the amount of meat that I eat because of sustainability issues, I do not need to give it up entireley! SUpport LOCAL!

polaris_x

to all that have made choices for not only sustainability but also for humane farming practices ... i don't think i could be a vegetarian let alone a vegan ... i think some people just need meat ... maybe not a lot of it but still - it would have to be part of my diet ... but i buy my meat from butchers who source their meat from local farmers who practice sustainable farming ... thankfully where i live - there's lots of options and it isn't that much more ...

btw - the harvest is upon us and there was some great stuff at the farmers market saturday ... got me some nice heirloom tomatoes, squashes and ground cherries (i know it's a hipster fruit but they are sooo tasty!)

Bronx Bombers

ANIMALS Australia will tomorrow launch its biggest campaign yet aimed at bringing an end to the intensive "factory farming" of pigs and chickens.

In an email sent to its members this morning, Animals Australia campaign director Lyn White said the biggest cause of cruelty to animals today was factory farming.

Ms White, who exposed the cruel slaughtering of Australian cattle in Indonesia last year that triggered a five-week ban on the live cattle trade, predicted the campaign would "lift the lid" on a powerful industry that had thrived because nobody knew what they were up to.

"We know that factory faming only exists because their secrets are secured behind high walls and closed doors - and that an informed community would not knowingly support such cruelty," Ms White's email said this morning.

http://youtu.be/fM6V6lq_p0o

Godfather.

Bronx Bombers wrote:

ANIMALS Australia will tomorrow launch its biggest campaign yet aimed at bringing an end to the intensive "factory farming" of pigs and chickens.

In an email sent to its members this morning, Animals Australia campaign director Lyn White said the biggest cause of cruelty to animals today was factory farming.

Ms White, who exposed the cruel slaughtering of Australian cattle in Indonesia last year that triggered a five-week ban on the live cattle trade, predicted the campaign would "lift the lid" on a powerful industry that had thrived because nobody knew what they were up to.

"We know that factory faming only exists because their secrets are secured behind high walls and closed doors - and that an informed community would not knowingly support such cruelty," Ms White's email said this morning.

http://youtu.be/fM6V6lq_p0o

"ANIMALS Australia will tomorrow launch its biggest campaign yet aimed at bringing an end to the intensive "factory farming" of pigs and chickens."




if that happens the price of beef ,chicken,egg's,pork
products and maybe even leather clothing (shoes,coats etc.) will sky rocket in price
and the big hit will be resturants...especially the the small mom and pop shops.
this is not a good idea.

Godfather.

polaris_x

Godfather. wrote:

"ANIMALS Australia will tomorrow launch its biggest campaign yet aimed at bringing an end to the intensive "factory farming" of pigs and chickens."

if that happens the price of beef ,chicken,egg's,pork
products and maybe even leather clothing (shoes,coats etc.) will sky rocket in price
and the big hit will be resturants...especially the the small mom and pop shops.
this is not a good idea.

Godfather.

you have to look at things more holistically rather than one aspect ... it's ultimately why the economy is the way it is now ...

there are a lot of things at play here ... it can be argued right now that factory farming has resulted in this:

* overall loss of jobs in the industry
* overall profit margins for small independent farmers
* overall reduction in the quality of product (affects not only taste but health of consumers)
* mass suffering of animals

if i can make any household item you want to pick and charge 25% cheaper but I have to pay non-living wages, break environmental laws, and reduce the quality of the product you buy ... is it worth it?

our focus on me and dollars and cents is fucking up the world ... all it does is serve big corporations and the 1% ... you might think you're saving a few bucks and that's good but it all comes at a price ... and if we continue to be short-sighted in our thinking - it's not going to get better ...

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

if i can make any household item you want to pick and charge 25% cheaper but I have to pay non-living wages, break environmental laws, and reduce the quality of the product you buy ... is it worth it?

our focus on me and dollars and cents is fucking up the world ... all it does is serve big corporations and the 1% ... you might think you're saving a few bucks and that's good but it all comes at a price ... and if we continue to be short-sighted in our thinking - it's not going to get better ...

What if it also avoids human suffering and mass starvation.

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

What if it also avoids human suffering and mass starvation.

http://www.alternet.org/story/13900/the ... A_myth_one

obviously, it's up to you how you want to take this ... but like we've discussed on numerous occasions - there are indeed people starving but industrialized farming is not the solution in fact, it's part of the problem ...

Shawshank

The reality no one wants to really think about is, most people are just too lazy or uneducated to work to sustain themselves. The more people rely on others, the more demand there is for products that have to be provided in an industrialized manner.

To me there is seriously no excuse not to grow at least 50% of the food you eat...none...and you can do so indefinitely. You don't have to babysit plants and animals that produce food. So you can work a normal job, and produce MUCH healthier food on your own. Now days with the growing popularity of aquaponics, you can use solar power to raise hundreds of pounds of fish, and hundreds of pounds of nearly every conceivable fruit and vegetable without having to do much more than just make sure the fish have food (which can be set on a timer to where you don't even have to think about feeding them). You don't even need soil for crying out loud.

Until people understand that they don't have to rely on the grocery store or chain restaurants to provide for them, then industrialized farms won't be going anywhere.

brianlux

I'm in the middle of reading Daniel Quinn's book Story of B in which he describes our culture's form of agriculture as "totalitarian agriculture". Quinn hits it out of the park again!

riotgrl

Shawshank wrote:

The reality no one wants to really think about is, most people are just too lazy or uneducated to work to sustain themselves. The more people rely on others, the more demand there is for products that have to be provided in an industrialized manner.

To me there is seriously no excuse not to grow at least 50% of the food you eat...none...and you can do so indefinitely. You don't have to babysit plants and animals that produce food. So you can work a normal job, and produce MUCH healthier food on your own. Now days with the growing popularity of aquaponics, you can use solar power to raise hundreds of pounds of fish, and hundreds of pounds of nearly every conceivable fruit and vegetable without having to do much more than just make sure the fish have food (which can be set on a timer to where you don't even have to think about feeding them). You don't even need soil for crying out loud.

Until people understand that they don't have to rely on the grocery store or chain restaurants to provide for them, then industrialized farms won't be going anywhere.

It's more than just laziness. You would be cutting into corporate profits and downgrading the importance of capitalism. I don't think most Americans are willing to quit mass consumption to become more self reliant. But then again I'm a cynic which can be a problem.

riotgrl

brianlux wrote:

I'm in the middle of reading Daniel Quinn's book Story of B in which he describes our culture's form of agriculture as "totalitarian agriculture". Quinn hits it out of the park again!

We're on the same page as I'm in the middle of reading this as well It's a way for the corporations to continue to control us. I have been working with my children's after school care to include fresh fruits and veggies as an option and the response I got? 200 calories of a Little Debbie cake isn't any worse than a banana because they are calorically equivalent. She didn't quite comprehend nutrional value :fp:

hedonist

Shawshank wrote:

The reality no one wants to really think about is, most people are just too lazy or uneducated to work to sustain themselves. The more people rely on others, the more demand there is for products that have to be provided in an industrialized manner.

To me there is seriously no excuse not to grow at least 50% of the food you eat...none...and you can do so indefinitely. You don't have to babysit plants and animals that produce food. So you can work a normal job, and produce MUCH healthier food on your own. Now days with the growing popularity of aquaponics, you can use solar power to raise hundreds of pounds of fish, and hundreds of pounds of nearly every conceivable fruit and vegetable without having to do much more than just make sure the fish have food (which can be set on a timer to where you don't even have to think about feeding them). You don't even need soil for crying out loud.

Until people understand that they don't have to rely on the grocery store or chain restaurants to provide for them, then industrialized farms won't be going anywhere.

I don't disagree; however, we live in a small condo nine floors up, with association rules in place as to what and how much we can have on our balconies. Genuine question - how would I grow fruits & vegetables & herbs, etc. (not to mention raising fish!) - to equal half or even a small portion of what we consume?

Believe me, if we had the land and means to do so, I'd love it...and I'm open to suggestions on how I could make it work within my own living situation.

polaris_x

hedonist wrote:

I don't disagree; however, we live in a small condo nine floors up, with association rules in place as to what and how much we can have on our balconies. Genuine question - how would I grow fruits & vegetables & herbs, etc. (not to mention raising fish!) - to equal half or even a small portion of what we consume?

Believe me, if we had the land and means to do so, I'd love it...and I'm open to suggestions on how I could make it work within my own living situation.

i think his 50% number is a bit unrealistic ...

i think in your situation - you have to look for community garden plots ...

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

Jason P wrote:

What if it also avoids human suffering and mass starvation.

http://www.alternet.org/story/13900/the ... A_myth_one

obviously, it's up to you how you want to take this ... but like we've discussed on numerous occasions - there are indeed people starving but industrialized farming is not the solution in fact, it's part of the problem ...

Complete pish-posh.