I was listening to the radio(KGB FM in San Diego) this morning and the DJ sez the according a national pole 52% of Americans
don't think obama deserves a second term....sounds good to me.
Godfather.
so that means that Sarah Palin will be the next president? That makes my brain hurt just considering the possibility...
ha ha ha ha !!! well at least she's not to hard to look at
say what you will about Obama, but at least his policies are an ethos, dude.
We live in a technocracy... an increasingly complex world... and we have a good chance of being ruled by an ideological sportscaster who operates solely on her territorial domination/submission psychological circuitry. It is like General Patton has been reincarnated as a female basketball player from Alaska.
We will truely be led by the least among us. :?
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
did everybody eat a "have shitty day pill" this morning....I mean really lets all step back and take deep breath
.............AHHHHHH all better now ? you and truth both EZ guys everything will be OK first off I don't believe
Palin will ever be President and now that you have brought it up what has obama done to help our country so far ?........besides create a bunch of debt we tax payers will be paying back for generations.
did everybody eat a "have shitty day pill" this morning....I mean really lets all step back and take deep breath
.............AHHHHHH all better now ? you and truth both EZ guys everything will be OK first off I don't believe
Palin will ever be President and now that you have brought it up what has obama done to help our country so far ?........besides create a bunch of debt we tax payers will be paying back for generations.
Godfather.
Obama is a very intelligent man and I think he has flexible approach where as Palin is stupid and is rigid in her ideology. Shit, Obama was the president of the Harvard Law Review... Palin went to some CC in Alaska. I don't think that accomplishments and university status mean everything... but there is some clear distinction between these two people and their education and experience.
As far as Obama's accomplishments thus far... I don't know. He better get us out of Iraq as promised. Nobody knows what the results will be of the bailouts... and he was just continuing what Bush had started so there is no reason to think that another president wouldn't have made the same decisions. I would like to see fewer people dying because we want to set up satellite states in the middle east...
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
did everybody eat a "have shitty day pill" this morning....I mean really lets all step back and take deep breath
.............AHHHHHH all better now ? you and truth both EZ guys everything will be OK first off I don't believe
Palin will ever be President and now that you have brought it up what has obama done to help our country so far ?........besides create a bunch of debt we tax payers will be paying back for generations.
Godfather.
Obama is a very intelligent man and I think he has flexible approach where as Palin is stupid and is rigid in her ideology. Shit, Obama was the president of the Harvard Law Review... Palin went to some CC in Alaska. I don't think that accomplishments and university status mean everything... but there is some clear distinction between these two people and their education and experience.
As far as Obama's accomplishments thus far... I don't know. He better get us out of Iraq as promised. Nobody knows what the results will be of the bailouts... and he was just continuing what Bush had started so there is no reason to think that another president wouldn't have made the same decisions. I would like to see fewer people dying because we want to set up satellite states in the middle east...
agreed, I never thought obama was a stupid man but I have had serious concerns about his agenda
or his change the world idea.
palin, I really don't know too much,but I can tell you she would have to really talk up some good shit to get my vote, and depending on who's running she may not get it anyway.
did everybody eat a "have shitty day pill" this morning....I mean really lets all step back and take deep breath
.............AHHHHHH all better now ? you and truth both EZ guys everything will be OK first off I don't believe
Palin will ever be President and now that you have brought it up what has obama done to help our country so far ?........besides create a bunch of debt we tax payers will be paying back for generations.
Godfather.
Here is a list, in no particular order, of 12 things the Obama administration has accomplished in year one. To be fair, I'll also list 12 negatives.
Positives:
1 - Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
2 - Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
3 - Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
4 - Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
5 - Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
6 - Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
7 - Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
8 - Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
9 - Closed offshore tax safe havens
10 - Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
11 - Extended unemployment benefits and the Children's Health Insurance Program
12 - Made COBRA more affordable to allow continuation of health benefits
Negatives:
1 - Running up the deficit
2 - Declaring that unemployment would fall to 8 percent if his economic stimulus package was approved
3 - Allowing Republicans to frame the debate over health-care reform
4 - Subcontracting the legislative process to congressional Democratic leaders rather than playing a more active leadership role himself
5 - Failing to close Gitmo by year's end, as promised
6 - Failing to make a dent in the hyperpartisan nature of Washington
7 - Failing to win passage of financial-industry reform
8 - Delaying implementation of his promise to end the ban on openly gay military personnel
9 - The Beer Summit and everything that led up to it
10 - Increased troop levels in Afghanistan
11 - The Chicago Olympics
12 - Poor vetting of nominees
"If no one sees you, you're not here at all"
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the Olympic people had already printed up shirts for the The Chicago Olympics before
they got shot down,my wife works(volunteers) at the training ctr in San Diego so they
gave us one, just kind of a cool thing to have.
and JD Sal thank you, I always say "be careful what you ask for"
unsung
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Eh, count me in as a Chicago burb resident who was opposed to a Chicago Olympics.
Back on topic:::
I just informed Carhartt that I placed my last order for their clothing. For years they made everything in the USA, then slowly that sucking sound from Mexico stole their manufacturing. It does seem however that they still ran some line made in the USA and shipped those lines to small stores and denim shops where the big box stores like Wal-Mart and Farm & Fleet got the Made in Mexico clothing lines.
Well recently they decided to stop supplying these small shops with the Made in USA lines and these shops would get what they were sent. In turn many of these shops dropped Carhartt. I just placed a $281 order for the last Carhartt branded items I will purchase, all made in the USA, a dying breed. I politely informed Carhartt of my decision and how I would spread the word and encourage others to do the same. American workers built this brand and were proud to be seen wearing it, that is no longer going to be the case. Carhartt is just another company that has no loyalty to the people who built it.
I was thinking about this last night, and I think another advantage to other countries building up their manufacturing sector is how it helps them develop their economy. As more people get jobs that will eventually pay better and better, they will start to have more disposable income. Disposable income which they will use to buy goods including goods from other countries like the United States and Canada. My understanding is the reason that GM didn't kill the Buick line when they killed Pontiac is that Buick's are very popular in China.
I just informed Carhartt that I placed my last order for their clothing. For years they made everything in the USA, then slowly that sucking sound from Mexico stole their manufacturing. It does seem however that they still ran some line made in the USA and shipped those lines to small stores and denim shops where the big box stores like Wal-Mart and Farm & Fleet got the Made in Mexico clothing lines.
Well recently they decided to stop supplying these small shops with the Made in USA lines and these shops would get what they were sent. In turn many of these shops dropped Carhartt. I just placed a $281 order for the last Carhartt branded items I will purchase, all made in the USA, a dying breed. I politely informed Carhartt of my decision and how I would spread the word and encourage others to do the same. American workers built this brand and were proud to be seen wearing it, that is no longer going to be the case. Carhartt is just another company that has no loyalty to the people who built it.
perhaps their loyalty is to the name of the brand and not to where the product is made... what if the company was financially struggling due to high labour costs in the US, providing health cover, taxes and other costs meant it was in serious danger of going out of business... so it made it more cost effective by moving their manufacturing to Mexico where costs are obviously much lower?
I don't know this company but it's business at the end of the day... and America embraces capitalism.. when it suits.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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unsung
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Of course they made their decision, and I made mine. I'm no longer a customer.
I just informed Carhartt that I placed my last order for their clothing. For years they made everything in the USA, then slowly that sucking sound from Mexico stole their manufacturing. It does seem however that they still ran some line made in the USA and shipped those lines to small stores and denim shops where the big box stores like Wal-Mart and Farm & Fleet got the Made in Mexico clothing lines.
Well recently they decided to stop supplying these small shops with the Made in USA lines and these shops would get what they were sent. In turn many of these shops dropped Carhartt. I just placed a $281 order for the last Carhartt branded items I will purchase, all made in the USA, a dying breed. I politely informed Carhartt of my decision and how I would spread the word and encourage others to do the same. American workers built this brand and were proud to be seen wearing it, that is no longer going to be the case. Carhartt is just another company that has no loyalty to the people who built it.
perhaps their loyalty is to the name of the brand and not to where the product is made... what if the company was financially struggling due to high labour costs in the US, providing health cover, taxes and other costs meant it was in serious danger of going out of business... so it made it more cost effective by moving their manufacturing to Mexico where costs are obviously much lower?
I don't know this company but it's business at the end of the day... and America embraces capitalism.. when it suits.
that crap makes me sick, one more company screwing the American working family.
word of this autta piss off a bunch of people in the construction trade's.
Before going Luddite, you must consider that the US probably produce more goods today than you ever did. The point is that technological development has made production much more efficient and in need of fewer hands. A lot fewer factory workers today can make a lot more than workers could previously. The consequence is the emergence of the service sector.
The question, as always, is what we're gonna do with that extra capacity we're getting. We could keep working hard at other things than production (which is what has happened) or we can cash it in in the form of better working conditions, more free time and so on.
The US is losing when it comes to manual labour. It is cheaper and just as good elsewhere. With transportation being as next to free as it is, it will be impossible to maintain the US as a big manual labour economy.
I just think it's kinda funny that free capitalism right wingers just totally switch sides when it come to the unavoidable consequence of movement of work across borders. Don't get me wrong, I think that less than full free trade between nations may be desirable for a number of reasons, but I think the thinks-they-are-right wingers should own up to their position being rather centre-left and at home in the "controlling capitalism's worst flaws" group.
Peace
Dan
I agree here. A lot of the fiscally conservative right wingers do change their tunes when it comes to keeping jobs and that's a conflict of ideology for them.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Eh, count me in as a Chicago burb resident who was opposed to a Chicago Olympics.
Back on topic:::
I just informed Carhartt that I placed my last order for their clothing. For years they made everything in the USA, then slowly that sucking sound from Mexico stole their manufacturing. It does seem however that they still ran some line made in the USA and shipped those lines to small stores and denim shops where the big box stores like Wal-Mart and Farm & Fleet got the Made in Mexico clothing lines.
Well recently they decided to stop supplying these small shops with the Made in USA lines and these shops would get what they were sent. In turn many of these shops dropped Carhartt. I just placed a $281 order for the last Carhartt branded items I will purchase, all made in the USA, a dying breed. I politely informed Carhartt of my decision and how I would spread the word and encourage others to do the same. American workers built this brand and were proud to be seen wearing it, that is no longer going to be the case. Carhartt is just another company that has no loyalty to the people who built it.
unsung, that is awesome. may i ask 'how' did you inform carhatt? by phone, an email or an actual letter?
i have recently started doing the same by email and i get some pretty crappy generic responses.
I just informed Carhartt that I placed my last order for their clothing. For years they made everything in the USA, then slowly that sucking sound from Mexico stole their manufacturing. It does seem however that they still ran some line made in the USA and shipped those lines to small stores and denim shops where the big box stores like Wal-Mart and Farm & Fleet got the Made in Mexico clothing lines.
Well recently they decided to stop supplying these small shops with the Made in USA lines and these shops would get what they were sent. In turn many of these shops dropped Carhartt. I just placed a $281 order for the last Carhartt branded items I will purchase, all made in the USA, a dying breed. I politely informed Carhartt of my decision and how I would spread the word and encourage others to do the same. American workers built this brand and were proud to be seen wearing it, that is no longer going to be the case. Carhartt is just another company that has no loyalty to the people who built it.
that crap makes me sick, one more company screwing the American working family.
word of this autta piss off a bunch of people in the construction trade's.
Godfather.
...
So... both of you are opposed to the market setting the pricing?
What do you think of the bailouts of G.M. and Chrysler?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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ha ha ha ha !!! well at least she's not to hard to look at
Godfather.
We live in a technocracy... an increasingly complex world... and we have a good chance of being ruled by an ideological sportscaster who operates solely on her territorial domination/submission psychological circuitry. It is like General Patton has been reincarnated as a female basketball player from Alaska.
We will truely be led by the least among us. :?
.............AHHHHHH all better now ? you and truth both EZ guys everything will be OK first off I don't believe
Palin will ever be President and now that you have brought it up what has obama done to help our country so far ?........besides create a bunch of debt we tax payers will be paying back for generations.
Godfather.
Obama is a very intelligent man and I think he has flexible approach where as Palin is stupid and is rigid in her ideology. Shit, Obama was the president of the Harvard Law Review... Palin went to some CC in Alaska. I don't think that accomplishments and university status mean everything... but there is some clear distinction between these two people and their education and experience.
As far as Obama's accomplishments thus far... I don't know. He better get us out of Iraq as promised. Nobody knows what the results will be of the bailouts... and he was just continuing what Bush had started so there is no reason to think that another president wouldn't have made the same decisions. I would like to see fewer people dying because we want to set up satellite states in the middle east...
agreed, I never thought obama was a stupid man but I have had serious concerns about his agenda
or his change the world idea.
palin, I really don't know too much,but I can tell you she would have to really talk up some good shit to get my vote, and depending on who's running she may not get it anyway.
Godfather.
Here is a list, in no particular order, of 12 things the Obama administration has accomplished in year one. To be fair, I'll also list 12 negatives.
Positives:
1 - Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
2 - Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
3 - Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
4 - Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
5 - Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
6 - Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
7 - Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
8 - Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
9 - Closed offshore tax safe havens
10 - Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
11 - Extended unemployment benefits and the Children's Health Insurance Program
12 - Made COBRA more affordable to allow continuation of health benefits
Negatives:
1 - Running up the deficit
2 - Declaring that unemployment would fall to 8 percent if his economic stimulus package was approved
3 - Allowing Republicans to frame the debate over health-care reform
4 - Subcontracting the legislative process to congressional Democratic leaders rather than playing a more active leadership role himself
5 - Failing to close Gitmo by year's end, as promised
6 - Failing to make a dent in the hyperpartisan nature of Washington
7 - Failing to win passage of financial-industry reform
8 - Delaying implementation of his promise to end the ban on openly gay military personnel
9 - The Beer Summit and everything that led up to it
10 - Increased troop levels in Afghanistan
11 - The Chicago Olympics
12 - Poor vetting of nominees
the Olympic people had already printed up shirts for the The Chicago Olympics before
they got shot down,my wife works(volunteers) at the training ctr in San Diego so they
gave us one, just kind of a cool thing to have.
and JD Sal thank you, I always say "be careful what you ask for"
Godfather.
aka the Rio Olympics
Back on topic:::
I just informed Carhartt that I placed my last order for their clothing. For years they made everything in the USA, then slowly that sucking sound from Mexico stole their manufacturing. It does seem however that they still ran some line made in the USA and shipped those lines to small stores and denim shops where the big box stores like Wal-Mart and Farm & Fleet got the Made in Mexico clothing lines.
Well recently they decided to stop supplying these small shops with the Made in USA lines and these shops would get what they were sent. In turn many of these shops dropped Carhartt. I just placed a $281 order for the last Carhartt branded items I will purchase, all made in the USA, a dying breed. I politely informed Carhartt of my decision and how I would spread the word and encourage others to do the same. American workers built this brand and were proud to be seen wearing it, that is no longer going to be the case. Carhartt is just another company that has no loyalty to the people who built it.
perhaps their loyalty is to the name of the brand and not to where the product is made... what if the company was financially struggling due to high labour costs in the US, providing health cover, taxes and other costs meant it was in serious danger of going out of business... so it made it more cost effective by moving their manufacturing to Mexico where costs are obviously much lower?
I don't know this company but it's business at the end of the day... and America embraces capitalism.. when it suits.
that crap makes me sick, one more company screwing the American working family.
word of this autta piss off a bunch of people in the construction trade's.
Godfather.
I agree here. A lot of the fiscally conservative right wingers do change their tunes when it comes to keeping jobs and that's a conflict of ideology for them.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
unsung, that is awesome. may i ask 'how' did you inform carhatt? by phone, an email or an actual letter?
i have recently started doing the same by email and i get some pretty crappy generic responses.
So... both of you are opposed to the market setting the pricing?
What do you think of the bailouts of G.M. and Chrysler?
Hail, Hail!!!
I usually just go the email route then if their reply is very generic I'll explore other routes.