what are your thought's on out-sourcing America
Godfather.
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seems to me America has been selling or giving away it self away for many years,sense the end of WWII .
American company's are sending their work to places like china,Singapore,Mexico,Poland etc. and the one's paying for it in the end are the American worker's and their family's.
Godfather.
American company's are sending their work to places like china,Singapore,Mexico,Poland etc. and the one's paying for it in the end are the American worker's and their family's.
Godfather.
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Although for me it is a good thing. As I was going to relocate anyways, now instead of just finding a new job. I get unemployment, TAA training, and a Severance package.
A few of the companies I've contacted this year alone that switched production to outside the US: Werner ladders, Carhartt clothing, Johnson and Johnson, Good Year tires, and Lucky brand jeans. Most times they don't reply because I'm only one person, but I don't consider my voice one vote in politics either. Plus it lets them know I'm watching and will be spreading the word on the internet.
I was so pissed my $1100 set of Good Year tires was installed without checking them first. I was cleaning the car the next day and saw Made in China. Despite my complaints and concerns about safety they would not exchange them for another set. Good Years' reply was that they were a global company and that the tires were made to their specifications at a Good Year facility in China. Well they were not made to my specifications, so I put the car up for sale and had it sold in a week. I miss that car but I can't ride on Chinese rubber, forget that.
Granted some items are impossible and it gets worse every day. But if you are someone who is struggling and looking for work in today's economy and you continue to buy goods not made in the USA you have nobody to blame but yourself. I don't give a rat's ass about any foreign country over this one, and I also care more about my immediate neighbor than some family in Mexico or China. Him losing his job changes my life in some way, if his house goes into foreclosure mine will lose value. People who shop at Wal-Mart make me want to puke. I just can't believe some people are so stupid to think that it doesn't matter where the products are made. This country only makes Big Macs anymore and most of those seem to be made by people whose legal status should be questioned.
We had this thread topic on something some time back where I claimed to buy Rembrandt toothpaste because Colgate was made in Mexico. Since that thread Rembrandt no longer has "Made in the USA" on their packaging, so I contacted them with my query. In the reply they said their product was still Made in the USA, I replied and told them I would resume purchasing from them when the label returned to the box.
Thanks like my IT dept. being outsourced to an American company, but their "offshore" division is most likely handling my dept.
As long as money and goods crosses borders without obstacles, that's what you get - A squeeze on the not so movable part - the people. Free marketeers should truly embrace this...
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I know people that worked for the same company 20 to 40 years and were layed off or forced to retire and 2 people that I know of had heart attacks at their desk's
all because their job's were out-sourced to another country, shit...and our government is watching this happen,
and trying to cover it up with a stimulus package.
if you think the large company you work for has any loyalty to you or anybody else think again,most Large
company's loyalty is only to them selfs and their investors.
our government needs to pull their heads out of their ass's and take a look at what out-sourcing has done to
our economy and our family's.
Godfather.
i know when i see something that has a made in the usa sticker on it i am like "NO WAY!!" and i actually get excited...kind of sad isn't it?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Let's put it this way: If there is 1 job available, why should someone in America get it over someone in China. Are Americans more deserving?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Count me in as someone who does think it's inevitable. Furthermore, those outsourced jobs sometimes actually help the people they go to more than they hurt the people they were moved from.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Thanks you Gordon Gekko.
I really like your letter writing campaign. I'm going to give this a try myself. i have a feeling I'm going to get writer's cramp.
yeah, you gotta love corporate welfare....
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
So you only care about someone else's well being if it has a direct effect on you? Nice...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
The worker in the foreign country may not receive ANY wages without that job.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I'm a American born and raised, this has nothing to do with"Are Americans more deserving?" take a look at
the companys that are American based started up and built on the back's of American worker's...now owned
or out-souced to other countrys..... and yes if it's American owned and operated your damn right we are more
deserving.....sorry if it sounds like I run a muck
Godfather
Toyota employs many, many Americans. Since that company was built on the backs of Japanese workers, should we tell them to go back home?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
We used to manufacture goods in this country. Steel, textiles, tires, etc... were the backbone of our economy. It catapulted us into an industrial power at the beginning of the 20th century. We also used to have tariffs that protected our goods from unfair competition from slave labor markets like the ones we see in China and the Marianas. (Well, we actually help fund the Marianas sweatshops, but that's another story). We had strong labor unions that protected wages, and kept jobs from being shipped overseas by greedy companies.
Then Reagan came along and totally dismantled our system, helped along the way by Bush I, Clinton (NAFTA and Free Trade, anyone?) and then Bush II.
So what happened? Reagan busted the unions, starting with PATCO and encouraged companies to disregard labor laws and promote union busting. Soon, people like Jack Welch, the CEO of GE, decided that he could just pack up his operations to India, correctly deducing that he could pay workers in India pennies for the same work he was paying $30/hr to American workers. And with favorable "free trade" policies covering his back, he started the whole outsourcing trend.
Now, even conscientious companies are being forced to outsource or else fall back along the way... how does an American company compete in a marketplace where it's OK to outsource all your labor and manufacturing and tech support overseas?
And you know what's really scummy about the whole thing? Look at China. They STILL have tariffs that protect their goods, they require only Chinese run companies to do business in China, heck, even their own recent stimulus program required that ALL of the stimulus money be spent in Chinese companies and Chinese infrastructure. Meanwhile, our right wing politicians and media gasbags continue to perpetuate the falsehood of "government is bad, regulation is bad, free trade is good".
The chickens have come home to roost.
I said I care more about my immediate neighbor. See I live in the USA and reality. Try it sometime.
yes we should and while we are at it lets stop the flood of japanese car's and truck's in to America and bring
back the American automobile plant's and put those people to work in those,
Godfather.
huh?
The dark ages passed a long time ago. Like it or not - you're going to have to live in a global community. We can't just board up our borders and not interact with the rest of the world. Perhaps your vision of America is one where several hundred years from now some explorer will find this indigenous tribes Americans who had lost contact with the outside world.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
However, it is also the result of consumers wanting to pay lower or static prices, and, a domestic workforce that often demands unreasonable wages.
Yeah because those factory workers drive Benzes, BMWs, and live in huge castles surrounded by moats with man eating big fish.
the playing field is very uneven in a global community, too many powers with different ideas on how thing's should be divided, not to be sarcastic but do think all countries are willing to play along with a global
community idea ? .... there will always be a people or place that think they deserve more than the next.
global community is a pipe dream it ain't working,if it was we would not have war's and a need for military
defense or is this global community consist of only a few countries ?
in perfect world it would be great but as I said there too many bad guy's in power to totally embrace a global community so I think we should clean our own mess first.
Godfather.
yeah !!!!! I want one of those castles with the big man eating fish
Godfather.
I know some dry wall guys that can’t find work because the Mexicans are undercutting the Americans...The American Nail Tech. is almost non existent because the Asians came over and undercut the business. These two trades were outsourced in there own country.