what are your thought's on out-sourcing America

Godfather.

seems to me America has been selling or giving away it self away for many years,sense the end of WWII .
American company's are sending their work to places like china,Singapore,Mexico,Poland etc. and the one's paying for it in the end are the American worker's and their family's.

Godfather.

South of Seattle

We'll I'm getting outsourced within 6 months most likely. And guess where my department is going to most likely end up? You guessed it, India.

Although for me it is a good thing. As I was going to relocate anyways, now instead of just finding a new job. I get unemployment, TAA training, and a Severance package.

unsung

I'm a label watcher, and I also contact companies telling them they have lost my business when they move production offshore.

A few of the companies I've contacted this year alone that switched production to outside the US: Werner ladders, Carhartt clothing, Johnson and Johnson, Good Year tires, and Lucky brand jeans. Most times they don't reply because I'm only one person, but I don't consider my voice one vote in politics either. Plus it lets them know I'm watching and will be spreading the word on the internet.

I was so pissed my $1100 set of Good Year tires was installed without checking them first. I was cleaning the car the next day and saw Made in China. Despite my complaints and concerns about safety they would not exchange them for another set. Good Years' reply was that they were a global company and that the tires were made to their specifications at a Good Year facility in China. Well they were not made to my specifications, so I put the car up for sale and had it sold in a week. I miss that car but I can't ride on Chinese rubber, forget that.

Granted some items are impossible and it gets worse every day. But if you are someone who is struggling and looking for work in today's economy and you continue to buy goods not made in the USA you have nobody to blame but yourself. I don't give a rat's ass about any foreign country over this one, and I also care more about my immediate neighbor than some family in Mexico or China. Him losing his job changes my life in some way, if his house goes into foreclosure mine will lose value. People who shop at Wal-Mart make me want to puke. I just can't believe some people are so stupid to think that it doesn't matter where the products are made. This country only makes Big Macs anymore and most of those seem to be made by people whose legal status should be questioned.

We had this thread topic on something some time back where I claimed to buy Rembrandt toothpaste because Colgate was made in Mexico. Since that thread Rembrandt no longer has "Made in the USA" on their packaging, so I contacted them with my query. In the reply they said their product was still Made in the USA, I replied and told them I would resume purchasing from them when the label returned to the box.

South of Seattle

unsung wrote:

I'm a label watcher, and I also contact companies telling them they have lost my business when they move production offshore.

A few of the companies I've contacted this year alone that switched production to outside the US: Werner ladders, Carhartt clothing, Johnson and Johnson, Good Year tires, and Lucky brand jeans. Most times they don't reply because I'm only one person, but I don't consider my voice one vote in politics either. Plus it lets them know I'm watching and will be spreading the word on the internet.

I was so pissed my $1100 set of Good Year tires was installed without checking them first. I was cleaning the car the next day and saw Made in China. Despite my complaints and concerns about safety they would not exchange them for another set. Good Years' reply was that they were a global company and that the tires were made to their specifications at a Good Year facility in China. Well they were not made to my specifications, so I put the car up for sale and had it sold in a week. I miss that car but I can't ride on Chinese rubber, forget that.

Granted some items are impossible and it gets worse every day. But if you someone who is struggling and looking for work in today's economy and you continue to buy goods not made in the USA you have nobody to blame but yourself. I don't give a rat's ass about any foreign country over this one, and I also care more about my immediate neighbor than some family in Mexico or China. Him losing his job changes my life in some way, if his house goes into foreclosure mine will lose value. People who shop at Wal-Mart make me want to puke. I just can't believe some people are so stupid to think that it doesn't matter where the products are made. This country only makes Big Macs anymore and most of those seem to be made by people whose legal status should be questioned.

We had this thread topic on something some time back where I claimed to buy Rembrandt toothpaste because Colgate was made in Mexico. Since that thread Rembrandt no longer has "Made in the USA" on their packaging, so I contacted them with my query. In the reply they said their product was still Made in the USA, I replied and told them I would resume purchasing from them when the label returned to the box.

Thanks like my IT dept. being outsourced to an American company, but their "offshore" division is most likely handling my dept.

unsung

I know I'm lucky because my industry is one that is hiring, even though you never hear that on the news. I'd think that they would want to word to get out about good paying careers.

OutOfBreath

Isn't outsourcing just the logical and inevitable consequence of free market capitalism on a global scale?
As long as money and goods crosses borders without obstacles, that's what you get - A squeeze on the not so movable part - the people. Free marketeers should truly embrace this...

Peace
Dan

Godfather.

I have talked to many people that have lost their job's to out sourcing,some have lost their homes and for some the strain of loosing everything has broken apart their family's and on the news I have heard of suicide's.
I know people that worked for the same company 20 to 40 years and were layed off or forced to retire and 2 people that I know of had heart attacks at their desk's
all because their job's were out-sourced to another country, shit...and our government is watching this happen,
and trying to cover it up with a stimulus package.
if you think the large company you work for has any loyalty to you or anybody else think again,most Large
company's loyalty is only to them selfs and their investors.
our government needs to pull their heads out of their ass's and take a look at what out-sourcing has done to
our economy and our family's.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

this has been going on for decades. i remember i was in high school when nafta was passed and people were saying this would happen....i can see the corporate perspective, why pay an american$20-$30 an hour to do the same thing that can be done by someone in india for $10 or $12? its still wrong, but as the above poster mentioned, you free market types should be loving this...this is what capitalism breeds.

i know when i see something that has a made in the usa sticker on it i am like "NO WAY!!" and i actually get excited...kind of sad isn't it?

know1

I view people as people. If a company wants to move their manufacturing elsewhere, then those people probably need the jobs worse than the Americans do.

Let's put it this way: If there is 1 job available, why should someone in America get it over someone in China. Are Americans more deserving?

know1

OutOfBreath wrote:

Isn't outsourcing just the logical and inevitable consequence of free market capitalism on a global scale?
As long as money and goods crosses borders without obstacles, that's what you get - A squeeze on the not so movable part - the people. Free marketeers should truly embrace this...

Peace
Dan

Count me in as someone who does think it's inevitable. Furthermore, those outsourced jobs sometimes actually help the people they go to more than they hurt the people they were moved from.

flywallyfly

know1 wrote:

I view people as people. If a company wants to move their manufacturing elsewhere, then those people probably need the jobs worse than the Americans do.

Let's put it this way: If there is 1 job available, why should someone in America get it over someone in China. Are Americans more deserving?

Thanks you Gordon Gekko.

flywallyfly

unsung wrote:

I'm a label watcher, and I also contact companies telling them they have lost my business when they move production offshore.

A few of the companies I've contacted this year alone that switched production to outside the US: Werner ladders, Carhartt clothing, Johnson and Johnson, Good Year tires, and Lucky brand jeans. Most times they don't reply because I'm only one person, but I don't consider my voice one vote in politics either. Plus it lets them know I'm watching and will be spreading the word on the internet.

I was so pissed my $1100 set of Good Year tires was installed without checking them first. I was cleaning the car the next day and saw Made in China. Despite my complaints and concerns about safety they would not exchange them for another set. Good Years' reply was that they were a global company and that the tires were made to their specifications at a Good Year facility in China. Well they were not made to my specifications, so I put the car up for sale and had it sold in a week. I miss that car but I can't ride on Chinese rubber, forget that.

Granted some items are impossible and it gets worse every day. But if you are someone who is struggling and looking for work in today's economy and you continue to buy goods not made in the USA you have nobody to blame but yourself. I don't give a rat's ass about any foreign country over this one, and I also care more about my immediate neighbor than some family in Mexico or China. Him losing his job changes my life in some way, if his house goes into foreclosure mine will lose value. People who shop at Wal-Mart make me want to puke. I just can't believe some people are so stupid to think that it doesn't matter where the products are made. This country only makes Big Macs anymore and most of those seem to be made by people whose legal status should be questioned.

We had this thread topic on something some time back where I claimed to buy Rembrandt toothpaste because Colgate was made in Mexico. Since that thread Rembrandt no longer has "Made in the USA" on their packaging, so I contacted them with my query. In the reply they said their product was still Made in the USA, I replied and told them I would resume purchasing from them when the label returned to the box.

I really like your letter writing campaign. I'm going to give this a try myself. i have a feeling I'm going to get writer's cramp.

Pepe Silvia

unsung wrote:

I know I'm lucky because my industry is one that is hiring, even though you never hear that on the news. I'd think that they would want to word to get out about good paying careers.

yeah, you gotta love corporate welfare....

know1

unsung wrote:

I don't give a rat's ass about any foreign country over this one, and I also care more about my immediate neighbor than some family in Mexico or China. Him losing his job changes my life in some way, if his house goes into foreclosure mine will lose value.

So you only care about someone else's well being if it has a direct effect on you? Nice...

stuckinline

i feel outsourcing is destroying the usa economy. like unsung, i also contact companies and inform them they lost my business because they out sourced jobs. the majority of the products i purchase are made in the usa.

stuckinline

know1 wrote:

unsung wrote:

I don't give a rat's ass about any foreign country over this one, and I also care more about my immediate neighbor than some family in Mexico or China. Him losing his job changes my life in some way, if his house goes into foreclosure mine will lose value.

So you only care about someone else's well being if it has a direct effect on you? Nice...

some of the products that are made overseas are tainted or poisonous. infant formula, dog food, toothpaste, children's jewelry. i care about americans losing their jobs, in turn a worker in a foreign country may not receive living wages, and it seems as if quality control doesn't exist anymore.

know1

stuckinline wrote:

know1 wrote:

unsung wrote:

I don't give a rat's ass about any foreign country over this one, and I also care more about my immediate neighbor than some family in Mexico or China. Him losing his job changes my life in some way, if his house goes into foreclosure mine will lose value.

So you only care about someone else's well being if it has a direct effect on you? Nice...

some of the products that are made overseas are tainted or poisonous. infant formula, dog food, toothpaste, children's jewelry. i care about americans losing their jobs, in turn a worker in a foreign country may not receive living wages, and it seems as if quality control doesn't exist anymore.

The worker in the foreign country may not receive ANY wages without that job.

Godfather.

know1 wrote:

I view people as people. If a company wants to move their manufacturing elsewhere, then those people probably need the jobs worse than the Americans do.

Let's put it this way: If there is 1 job available, why should someone in America get it over someone in China. Are Americans more deserving?

I'm a American born and raised, this has nothing to do with"Are Americans more deserving?" take a look at
the companys that are American based started up and built on the back's of American worker's...now owned
or out-souced to other countrys..... and yes if it's American owned and operated your damn right we are more
deserving.....sorry if it sounds like I run a muck

Godfather

Godfather.

"The worker in the foreign country may not receive ANY wages without that job."

is America that foreign country you are referring to ?

Godfather.

know1

Godfather. wrote:

know1 wrote:

I view people as people. If a company wants to move their manufacturing elsewhere, then those people probably need the jobs worse than the Americans do.

Let's put it this way: If there is 1 job available, why should someone in America get it over someone in China. Are Americans more deserving?

I'm a American born and raised, this has nothing to do with"Are Americans more deserving?" take a look at
the companys that are American based started up and built on the back's of American worker's...now owned
or out-souced to other countrys..... and yes if it's American owned and operated your damn right we are more
deserving.....sorry if it sounds like I run a muck

Godfather

Toyota employs many, many Americans. Since that company was built on the backs of Japanese workers, should we tell them to go back home?

Starfall

What we're seeing is the absolute consequence of 30 years of Reaganomics and Friednanomics: Government regulation bad. Free trade good. Must have more free trade, less regulation.

We used to manufacture goods in this country. Steel, textiles, tires, etc... were the backbone of our economy. It catapulted us into an industrial power at the beginning of the 20th century. We also used to have tariffs that protected our goods from unfair competition from slave labor markets like the ones we see in China and the Marianas. (Well, we actually help fund the Marianas sweatshops, but that's another story). We had strong labor unions that protected wages, and kept jobs from being shipped overseas by greedy companies.

Then Reagan came along and totally dismantled our system, helped along the way by Bush I, Clinton (NAFTA and Free Trade, anyone?) and then Bush II.

So what happened? Reagan busted the unions, starting with PATCO and encouraged companies to disregard labor laws and promote union busting. Soon, people like Jack Welch, the CEO of GE, decided that he could just pack up his operations to India, correctly deducing that he could pay workers in India pennies for the same work he was paying $30/hr to American workers. And with favorable "free trade" policies covering his back, he started the whole outsourcing trend.
Now, even conscientious companies are being forced to outsource or else fall back along the way... how does an American company compete in a marketplace where it's OK to outsource all your labor and manufacturing and tech support overseas?

And you know what's really scummy about the whole thing? Look at China. They STILL have tariffs that protect their goods, they require only Chinese run companies to do business in China, heck, even their own recent stimulus program required that ALL of the stimulus money be spent in Chinese companies and Chinese infrastructure. Meanwhile, our right wing politicians and media gasbags continue to perpetuate the falsehood of "government is bad, regulation is bad, free trade is good".

The chickens have come home to roost.