what are your thought's on out-sourcing America

unsung

know1 wrote:

So you only care about someone else's well being if it has a direct effect on you? Nice...

I said I care more about my immediate neighbor. See I live in the USA and reality. Try it sometime.

Godfather.

know1 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

know1 wrote:

I view people as people. If a company wants to move their manufacturing elsewhere, then those people probably need the jobs worse than the Americans do.

Let's put it this way: If there is 1 job available, why should someone in America get it over someone in China. Are Americans more deserving?

I'm a American born and raised, this has nothing to do with"Are Americans more deserving?" take a look at
the companys that are American based started up and built on the back's of American worker's...now owned
or out-souced to other countrys..... and yes if it's American owned and operated your damn right we are more
deserving.....sorry if it sounds like I run a muck

Godfather

Toyota employs many, many Americans. Since that company was built on the backs of Japanese workers, should we tell them to go back home?

yes we should and while we are at it lets stop the flood of japanese car's and truck's in to America and bring
back the American automobile plant's and put those people to work in those,

Godfather.

unsung

Pepe Silvia wrote:

yeah, you gotta love corporate welfare....

huh?

know1

Godfather. wrote:

yes we should and while we are at it lets stop the flood of japanese car's and truck's in to America and bring
back the American automobile plant's and put those people to work in those,

Godfather.

The dark ages passed a long time ago. Like it or not - you're going to have to live in a global community. We can't just board up our borders and not interact with the rest of the world. Perhaps your vision of America is one where several hundred years from now some explorer will find this indigenous tribes Americans who had lost contact with the outside world.

JOEJOEJOE

Outsourcing is the result of corporate greed/profit motive/responsibility to shareholders.

However, it is also the result of consumers wanting to pay lower or static prices, and, a domestic workforce that often demands unreasonable wages.

unsung

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

and, a domestic workforce that often demands unreasonable wages.

Yeah because those factory workers drive Benzes, BMWs, and live in huge castles surrounded by moats with man eating big fish.

Godfather.

know1 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

yes we should and while we are at it lets stop the flood of Japanese car's and truck's in to America and bring
back the American automobile plant's and put those people to work in those,

Godfather.

The dark ages passed a long time ago. Like it or not - you're going to have to live in a global community. We can't just board up our borders and not interact with the rest of the world. Perhaps your vision of America is one where several hundred years from now some explorer will find this indigenous tribes Americans who had lost contact with the outside world.

the playing field is very uneven in a global community, too many powers with different ideas on how thing's should be divided, not to be sarcastic but do think all countries are willing to play along with a global
community idea ? .... there will always be a people or place that think they deserve more than the next.
global community is a pipe dream it ain't working,if it was we would not have war's and a need for military
defense or is this global community consist of only a few countries ?
in perfect world it would be great but as I said there too many bad guy's in power to totally embrace a global community so I think we should clean our own mess first.


Godfather.

Godfather.

unsung wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

and, a domestic workforce that often demands unreasonable wages.

Yeah because those factory workers drive Benzes, BMWs, and live in huge castles surrounded by moats with man eating big fish.

yeah !!!!! I want one of those castles with the big man eating fish

Godfather.

stuckinline

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Outsourcing is the result of corporate greed/profit motive/responsibility to shareholders.

However, it is also the result of consumers wanting to pay lower or static prices, and, a domestic workforce that often demands unreasonable wages.

but those lower prices often come at a much higher cost, tainted/unsafe products, higher unemployment, more foreclosures, etc.

aerial

Then you have the environmentalist getting pissed whenever anyone wants to cut down a tree and build a factory. Too some existent I agree because then big corp. does not always clean up its waste. They get chummy with the powers that be (city councils, mayors etc.) and they get away with polluting our Rivers. So it’s all a catch 22 situation. Now the tech jobs and hiring foreigners, illegal or not is just plan greed.
I know some dry wall guys that can’t find work because the Mexicans are undercutting the Americans...The American Nail Tech. is almost non existent because the Asians came over and undercut the business. These two trades were outsourced in there own country.

gimmesometruth27

aerial wrote:

Then you have the environmentalist getting pissed whenever anyone wants to cut down a tree and build a factory. Too some existent I agree because then big corp. does not always clean up its waste. They get chummy with the powers that be (city councils, mayors etc.) and they get away with polluting our Rivers. So it’s all a catch 22 situation. Now the tech jobs and hiring foreigners, illegal or not is just plan greed.
I know some dry wall guys that can’t find work because the Mexicans are undercutting the Americans...The American Nail Tech. is almost non existent because the Asians came over and undercut the business. These two trades were outsourced in there own country.

to echo your post, 2 of my best friends are commercial drywall finishers. one left the business and enrolled in college 2 semesters ago because there was no work and his employer laid him off then folded. the other guy has been "loaned" to several other employers because his employer can not find him work. he and his wife lost their home and filed bankruptcy last year. its not that mexicans are undercutting americans, its that NOBODY, no companies are building buildings anymore...around my home, new home construction has stopped altogether. there are several subdivisions filled with half built houses that have been like that for about 2 years. blame the economy and the corporations, not the mexicans...

aerial

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

aerial wrote:

Then you have the environmentalist getting pissed whenever anyone wants to cut down a tree and build a factory. Too some existent I agree because then big corp. does not always clean up its waste. They get chummy with the powers that be (city councils, mayors etc.) and they get away with polluting our Rivers. So it’s all a catch 22 situation. Now the tech jobs and hiring foreigners, illegal or not is just plan greed.
I know some dry wall guys that can’t find work because the Mexicans are undercutting the Americans...The American Nail Tech. is almost non existent because the Asians came over and undercut the business. These two trades were outsourced in there own country.

to echo your post, 2 of my best friends are commercial drywall finishers. one left the business and enrolled in college 2 semesters ago because there was no work and his employer laid him off then folded. the other guy has been "loaned" to several other employers because his employer can not find him work. he and his wife lost their home and filed bankruptcy last year. its not that mexicans are undercutting americans, its that NOBODY, no companies are building buildings anymore...around my home, new home construction has stopped altogether. there are several subdivisions filled with half built houses that have been like that for about 2 years. blame the economy and the corporations, not the mexicans...

Sure but here in Florida they are still building, not like they were but they are still building,,,,if anyone is doing any drywall it's the Mexicans,,,,,the city is putting in new sewer system in my neighborhood you know who the laborers are Porto Ricans (non speak english) not one American and the crew is large oh yeah the foreman is American....I have nothing against Mexicans or any other race...I am just stating facts

JOEJOEJOE

unsung wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

and, a domestic workforce that often demands unreasonable wages.

Yeah because those factory workers drive Benzes, BMWs, and live in huge castles surrounded by moats with man eating big fish.

There is no guarantee in this country that everyone will drive a BMW or live in a castle. Everyone deserves to make a living, but there will always be those who barely eek one out.

JOEJOEJOE

stuckinline wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Outsourcing is the result of corporate greed/profit motive/responsibility to shareholders.

However, it is also the result of consumers wanting to pay lower or static prices, and, a domestic workforce that often demands unreasonable wages.

but those lower prices often come at a much higher cost, tainted/unsafe products, higher unemployment, more foreclosures, etc.

I agree. That is why people need to realize that buying certain goods may have an effect on their financial futures.

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I admit I haven't read the thread. But, speaking as a disgruntled Dell customer, I have this to say: While everyone's languages are equally valid, it does not make sense to have someone who primarily speaks one language attemtp to provide customer service to someone who speaks another language. :evil:

JOEJOEJOE

scb wrote:

I admit I haven't read the thread. But, speaking as a disgruntled Dell customer, I have this to say: While everyone's languages are equally valid, it does not make sense to have someone who primarily speaks one language attemtp to provide customer service to someone who speaks another language. :evil:

Would it be worth paying a higher price for a Dell in exchange for assurance that you will always speak to someone with whom you share a primary language?

xavier mcdaniel

I would pay that, but usually when I have computer issues, I call up the small business computer shop that I bought the machine from.

mookeywrench

I remember in my international business class we had a discussion about outsourcing. Outsourcing has drastically reduced the price of goods, in the early 1900's the average pair of dress shoes ran a cost (adjusted for inflation) of about $300 bucks.

This is why so many people usually had 1 pair of shoes, maybe 3 workshirts, and one business suit

And having a casual wardrobe, a business wardrobe, and an athletic wardrobe was non existant. Casual wear consisted of boxers and a wifebeater.

unsung

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

scb wrote:

I admit I haven't read the thread. But, speaking as a disgruntled Dell customer, I have this to say: While everyone's languages are equally valid, it does not make sense to have someone who primarily speaks one language attemtp to provide customer service to someone who speaks another language. :evil:

Would it be worth paying a higher price for a Dell in exchange for assurance that you will always speak to someone with whom you share a primary language?

No, but it would be worth paying more for a computer that works.

unsung

mookeywrench wrote:

I remember in my international business class we had a discussion about outsourcing. Outsourcing has drastically reduced the price of goods, in the early 1900's the average pair of dress shoes ran a cost (adjusted for inflation) of about $300 bucks.

This is why so many people usually had 1 pair of shoes, maybe 3 workshirts, and one business suit

And having a casual wardrobe, a business wardrobe, and an athletic wardrobe was non existant. Casual wear consisted of boxers and a wifebeater.

Of course these savings are rarely passed on to the consumer. Under Armour products for example used to be all made in the USA, now good luck finding one. I'm fairly certain their prices have risen, this is just one example.