Yeah, in a culture that focus's on the raising of fame only to tear it down, let's all shed a tear for the one minute example of accident in an extreme incident. Not gonna happen from me. Call me insensitive, call me uncaring, I really don't care. No one is innocent, no one is a victim. Cause and effect - that's it. We're all responsible for what goes on in our society - there's no innocent bystanders. We're all born guilty. So whether it's a luger or a drive-by shooting - it's our society and what we do or do not do which causes these things. To me there's not much to say of "poor taste", that's merely a reflection of us all. So wag the finger at some tv company for showing the death of a luger, and I'll show you nonstop tv which promotes the use of drugs, alcohol, violence and similar. But let's all just weep or wag the finger as we pick and choose what's poor taste, responsible or acceptable to us all. It's a complete atrocity and sham. If you don't want to see it, live in a vacuum, cause that's the only place you'll receive it.
you seem to have trouble seperating fictional tv from factual life. Anyway, that's fine, you live your angry, jaded little view towards the world, and I'll do my best to try to improve it where possible by living a positive life, instead of being indifferent to it all like you seem to.
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I'm not angry, sad or jaded.... perhaps cynical but that is a mere reflection and reaction to what I see around me and in the world. I try and live positive and do my part as well, but simply because I view the world as such, doesn't mean I have to care bout all the nonsense we see, hear and view in the world. At some point in life, you just have to step back and wonder what kind of society and civilization we're living in, creating and that is what is reflected in my beliefs. I don't delude myself in life to what I see in the world around me- most do. Perhaps you don't agree with my observations, but my facts are correct.
you seem to have trouble seperating fictional tv from factual life. Anyway, that's fine, you live your angry, jaded little view towards the world, and I'll do my best to try to improve it where possible by living a positive life, instead of being indifferent to it all like you seem to.
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I'm not angry, sad or jaded.... perhaps cynical but that is a mere reflection and reaction to what I see around me and in the world. I try and live positive and do my part as well, but simply because I view the world as such, doesn't mean I have to care bout all the nonsense we see, hear and view in the world. At some point in life, you just have to step back and wonder what kind of society and civilization we're living in, creating and that is what is reflected in my beliefs. I don't delude myself in life to what I see in the world around me- most do. Perhaps you don't agree with my observations, but my facts are correct.
what "facts" exactly are you saying are correct? You mean your opinion? I have seen only the latter, and none of the former. there are no real "facts" with this discussion so far.
If you say you aren't jaded, but I don't see the problem with finding some wrong in this situation. I think again you are confusing my point, not that this man actually died on the track, the fact that it was shown on TV. You can talk about all the shows that "promote" violence and drug abuse, etc, but this is real life, and it affects people. I can only assume the family and friends of this athlete in particular. I'm sure this guy would have been competing in this competition whether it was on TV or not. It's not his choice for it to be televised.
You seem to put yourself higher than others with your statement about most people being deluded, but you aren't. I think that is wrong. Most aren't deluded, they see the world as you do, perhaps they choose to react to it differently than you do.
Sure, it concerns me the world that my daughters are inheriting, but I could choose to worry and be angry about it, or I could choose to see the beauty in it and try to change the negative that I can. Expressing concern over this topic is one of those (albeit small) ways.
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It was extremely insensitive to family and friends of Nodar's and to his memory, and also to his fellow athletes. Not really surprising considering the media though.
We can only hope changes will come from the accident but these would have occurred without sensationalizing his tragedy.
Firstly, as a participant in a media driven event like the Olympics you do forfeit your ability to control how or why you are on tv - and yes even in extreme situations like death. Not saying that's right, but it's the truth. You are subject to the media and forces around you and do not have control of such things. This is the world we live in, for better or worse, its how it works in practice and reality.
Secondly, as I stated, you say things like "real life" but in actuality, we simply make a conscious decision to ignore the slow death and impact of our media in things like violence, sex, drugs, alcohol, etc and ways on society but pretend to be outraged or shocked by something like this. You can make that distinction, I do not. You may not agree 100%, but even in small chances or odds, accidents happen. Luge is not a safe sport, and more closely resembles an extreme sport. Perhaps the injury or deaths from it are rare, but that doesn't take away from the fact of its nature and being. Just like many other extreme sports where we push the limits of safety due to speed, potential impact or results, it is a potential result and outcome. Obviously this was avoidable, but with that stated, even in the minimal chance of occurring, certainly possible.
Lastly, perhaps my words or viewpoints are harsh or more in your face than more appreciate or liken, but I do not separate myself from or above the rest society. I am a part of society, for better or worse...but not above. Also, as you state, you choose to see the beauty in the world and focus on positive, I on other hand feel in anything in life, if we wish to improve and get better in things, must accept, acknowledge and fully be aware of all sides, including the ugly, negative and unwanted realities of the world and society.
what "facts" exactly are you saying are correct? You mean your opinion? I have seen only the latter, and none of the former. there are no real "facts" with this discussion so far.
If you say you aren't jaded, but I don't see the problem with finding some wrong in this situation. I think again you are confusing my point, not that this man actually died on the track, the fact that it was shown on TV. You can talk about all the shows that "promote" violence and drug abuse, etc, but this is real life, and it affects people. I can only assume the family and friends of this athlete in particular. I'm sure this guy would have been competing in this competition whether it was on TV or not. It's not his choice for it to be televised.
You seem to put yourself higher than others with your statement about most people being deluded, but you aren't. I think that is wrong. Most aren't deluded, they see the world as you do, perhaps they choose to react to it differently than you do.
Sure, it concerns me the world that my daughters are inheriting, but I could choose to worry and be angry about it, or I could choose to see the beauty in it and try to change the negative that I can. Expressing concern over this topic is one of those (albeit small) ways.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Firstly, as a participant in a media driven event like the Olympics you do forfeit your ability to control how or why you are on tv - and yes even in extreme situations like death. Not saying that's right, but it's the truth. You are subject to the media and forces around you and do not have control of such things. This is the world we live in, for better or worse, its how it works in practice and reality.
Secondly, as I stated, you say things like "real life" but in actuality, we simply make a conscious decision to ignore the slow death and impact of our media in things like violence, sex, drugs, alcohol, etc and ways on society but pretend to be outraged or shocked by something like this. You can make that distinction, I do not. You may not agree 100%, but even in small chances or odds, accidents happen. Luge is not a safe sport, and more closely resembles an extreme sport. Perhaps the injury or deaths from it are rare, but that doesn't take away from the fact of its nature and being. Just like many other extreme sports where we push the limits of safety due to speed, potential impact or results, it is a potential result and outcome. Obviously this was avoidable, but with that stated, even in the minimal chance of occurring, certainly possible.
Lastly, perhaps my words or viewpoints are harsh or more in your face than more appreciate or liken, but I do not separate myself from or above the rest society. I am a part of society, for better or worse...but not above. Also, as you state, you choose to see the beauty in the world and focus on positive, I on other hand feel in anything in life, if we wish to improve and get better in things, must accept, acknowledge and fully be aware of all sides, including the ugly, negative and unwanted realities of the world and society.
Fair enough. Again, I'm not outraged that it HAPPENED. I'm outraged that they showed it on TV. It was not live. It was not an actual run. It was a practice run, which are not usually shown on TV. This one was only because of the accident, and for people to tune in and see it for ratings purposes.
I obviously realize these things happen in real life. I just don't think EVERYTHING in real life requires an audience. This accident included.
Yes, I choose to see the beauty in things. This does not in any way mean I ignore the ugly. That's ridiculous. You are somehow inferring that I'm blinding myself from the realities of the world. Not at all. I see the world as it is, and I tend to FOCUS on making it positive. I still SEE the negative, but why FOCUS on it? Waste of time completely.
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I wasn't inferring that you ignore the ugly or negative, I was simply differentiating our outlooks or even further elaborating on mine for the sake of clarity and understanding. Also, I don't simply focus on negative, I call'em as I see them, good, bad or indifferent.
Fair enough. Again, I'm not outraged that it HAPPENED. I'm outraged that they showed it on TV. It was not live. It was not an actual run. It was a practice run, which are not usually shown on TV. This one was only because of the accident, and for people to tune in and see it for ratings purposes.
I obviously realize these things happen in real life. I just don't think EVERYTHING in real life requires an audience. This accident included.
Yes, I choose to see the beauty in things. This does not in any way mean I ignore the ugly. That's ridiculous. You are somehow inferring that I'm blinding myself from the realities of the world. Not at all. I see the world as it is, and I tend to FOCUS on making it positive. I still SEE the negative, but why FOCUS on it? Waste of time completely.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Ok let's magnify this thought process for a moment.
How many people die from drunk driving in a given year in our nation? A fairly large number.
Does this fact alter people from drinking less? No.
Does this fact alter people from drinking and driving less? No.
Does it get discussed in the media but the effects are pretty much not shown in a graphic manner to protect people's eyes and emotions? Yes.
Does this alter people's behavior or enable it's continued poor behavior? Enable.
So what good or help does protecting people's eyes and emotions to this behavior? None.
What possible good or help could be done if we did show more graphic cause/effect to people? Could make people think twice or be more informed on the issue. Could cut down on the amount of drunken driving and accidents. Could make people more responsible.
They would be taking steps to make sure this doesn't happen again regardless if it was shown on the news or not.
and how could you possibly quantify your "facts" with actual figures? there are too many variables, so it's impossible to know either way.
But again, to me it just comes down to what's tasteful. Not "protection" or being a "wuss" or whatever you people have called me. I'm pretty sure I can teach my kid about death just fine without the evening news doing it for me in graphic video.
With your "let's not sheild our kids from reality" take, then let's show porn on tv, let's show priests molesting kids in action, let's show dogs getting run over so we don't have to tell them the lie about their dog going to the farm, etc. Hey, it's all happening out there, it's all "natural" as ELB said it (his phrasing means that "natural" is anything that happens causing harm-I'm not sure how else someone flying out of a luge track is natural), so let's put it all out there and let our kids deal with it in their puny brains.
Hogwash.
Porn is far from natural, its fantasy. Priests molesting kids isnt natural, its unnatural meaning "occurs less than on a regular basis or a variance with what normaly occurs". I dont lie to my kid when Spot gets hit by a car I take him with me to help me scrape him up off the pavement and explain death and the dangers of playing the road or in this case jumping on a luge. I'm not saying that a luge death is natural I'm saying that death is natural and putting your life at risk can cause death. Of course I'm not going to take my kid to youtube and show him the guy dying on a luge but if he sees it in a bowling alley on the news I most definitely will not make a big stink about it. I'll use the instance to my advantage.
I dont see how you got "he deserved it" from my statement. "Fact is that person chose to put his life at risk on national television." I'm still failing to see how he deserved it?
Porn is far from natural, its fantasy. Priests molesting kids isnt natural, its unnatural meaning "occurs less than on a regular basis or a variance with what normaly occurs". I dont lie to my kid when Spot gets hit by a car I take him with me to help me scrape him up off the pavement and explain death and the dangers of playing the road or in this case jumping on a luge. I'm not saying that a luge death is natural I'm saying that death is natural and putting your life at risk can cause death. Of course I'm not going to take my kid to youtube and show him the guy dying on a luge but if he sees it in a bowling alley on the news I most definitely will not make a big stink about it. I'll use the instance to my advantage.
I dont see how you got "he deserved it" from my statement. "Fact is that person chose to put his life at risk on national television." I'm still failing to see how he deserved it?
you said death is natural, so you'd let your kid watch someone dying in a luge accident. in that context, sex is natural, so you'd be fine letting your kid watch porn. same difference.
I NEVER SAID YOU SAID HE DESERVED TO DIE, just that he knew what he was getting into putting his life at risk on TV. I said you said he deserved to have his death shown on TV.
Explaining life's instances to your kids if they see it is obviously what we all do. My point is this shit shouldn't be on TV.
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Porn is far from natural, its fantasy. Priests molesting kids isnt natural, its unnatural meaning "occurs less than on a regular basis or a variance with what normaly occurs". I dont lie to my kid when Spot gets hit by a car I take him with me to help me scrape him up off the pavement and explain death and the dangers of playing the road or in this case jumping on a luge. I'm not saying that a luge death is natural I'm saying that death is natural and putting your life at risk can cause death. Of course I'm not going to take my kid to youtube and show him the guy dying on a luge but if he sees it in a bowling alley on the news I most definitely will not make a big stink about it. I'll use the instance to my advantage.
I dont see how you got "he deserved it" from my statement. "Fact is that person chose to put his life at risk on national television." I'm still failing to see how he deserved it?
you're such a drama queen. "scrape him off the pavement" :roll:
and this comment 'I dont lie to my kid when Spot gets hit by a car I take him with me to help me scrape him up off the pavement and explain death and the dangers of playing the road'
i would assume that you have age limits as to when you would do that. i can't really imagine taking a young child to witness something like that. it's unnecessary added grief to a child. their dog is already dead they don't need to see that shit. what exactly does it teach them? dead is dead, spot aint gonna be wagging his tail when they come home from school every night so i'm pretty sure they will figure out he's dead and isn't coming home. why does your child have to see something that he loves destroyed? are your parenting skills so poor that you can't communicate death of an animal, or the dangers of playing on the road, or not looking for vehicles when you are near a road to your child without showing him the dead aminal?
i am so grateful i had parents who cared enough about me that they didn't think they needed to act all bad ass and cruel to 'teach me a lesson'. like can be a bitch as it is without putting kids through unnecessary pain.
i'm a critical care paramedic and i know how precious life is. i've also witnessed the trauma to kids when they have seen things they never should have seen and it can fuck them up for life.
It was extremely insensitive to family and friends of Nodar's and to his memory, and also to his fellow athletes. Not really surprising considering the media though.
We can only hope changes will come from the accident but these would have occurred without sensationalizing his tragedy.
the media are a disgrace. they are vultures and prey on other peoples misfortunes. they make me sick. so many times at accident scenes they are there, trying to get closer with their cameras pushing ahead to get the perfect snap of someones dead loved one.
and it's done purely for someone elses entertainment. and it teaches no lessons. it doesn't make people go slower, be more careful, be more attentive, not drink drive. it does nothing but get some people off on someone elses misfortune.
Ok let's magnify this thought process for a moment.
How many people die from drunk driving in a given year in our nation? A fairly large number.
Does this fact alter people from drinking less? No.
Does this fact alter people from drinking and driving less? No.
Does it get discussed in the media but the effects are pretty much not shown in a graphic manner to protect people's eyes and emotions? Yes.
Does this alter people's behavior or enable it's continued poor behavior? Enable.
So what good or help does protecting people's eyes and emotions to this behavior? None.
What possible good or help could be done if we did show more graphic cause/effect to people? Could make people think twice or be more informed on the issue. Could cut down on the amount of drunken driving and accidents. Could make people more responsible.
sadly it doesn't, but i wish it did.
i believe it's because people still partly detach themselves from the realtiy of the situation. they think 'it will never happen to me". they think they are invincible.
i have no problems with using accident scenes, damaged vehicles etc to perhaps try and educate people on the dangers that you can entail, but i do have a problem with using someones actual death footage to make a point. we already agree it's not really a deterrant. to me it's disrespectful.
maybe i feel differently about it because i see death in real life too often, and i see the effect it has on the family.
Porn is far from natural, its fantasy. Priests molesting kids isnt natural, its unnatural meaning "occurs less than on a regular basis or a variance with what normaly occurs". I dont lie to my kid when Spot gets hit by a car I take him with me to help me scrape him up off the pavement and explain death and the dangers of playing the road or in this case jumping on a luge. I'm not saying that a luge death is natural I'm saying that death is natural and putting your life at risk can cause death. Of course I'm not going to take my kid to youtube and show him the guy dying on a luge but if he sees it in a bowling alley on the news I most definitely will not make a big stink about it. I'll use the instance to my advantage.
I dont see how you got "he deserved it" from my statement. "Fact is that person chose to put his life at risk on national television." I'm still failing to see how he deserved it?
you're such a drama queen. "scrape him off the pavement" :roll:
and this comment 'I dont lie to my kid when Spot gets hit by a car I take him with me to help me scrape him up off the pavement and explain death and the dangers of playing the road'
i would assume that you have age limits as to when you would do that. i can't really imagine taking a young child to witness something like that. it's unnecessary added grief to a child. their dog is already dead they don't need to see that shit. what exactly does it teach them? dead is dead, spot aint gonna be wagging his tail when they come home from school every night so i'm pretty sure they will figure out he's dead and isn't coming home. why does your child have to see something that he loves destroyed? are your parenting skills so poor that you can't communicate death of an animal, or the dangers of playing on the road, or not looking for vehicles when you are near a road to your child without showing him the dead aminal?
i am so grateful i had parents who cared enough about me that they didn't think they needed to act all bad ass and cruel to 'teach me a lesson'. like can be a bitch as it is without putting kids through unnecessary pain.
i'm a critical care paramedic and i know how precious life is. i've also witnessed the trauma to kids when they have seen things they never should have seen and it can fuck them up for life.
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I watched the Olympic opening ceremonies tonight. Right after came the CTV National News. The story of the Georgian luge athlete's death was up first. The anchor said "the following video is disturbing, but is necessary to tell the story". Then I sat there in total shock and disbelief:
THEY SHOWED THE ACTUAL VIDEO OF THE LUGE ATHLETE'S DEATH RUN. Including him flying out of the track and smacking into the metal pole.
Never did I think for one second that the disturbing video they were about to show was his actual death. I thought it might have been mourners, or the ambulance driving him away, or something. I thought it was thoroughly disgusting, not to mention disrepectful to the man's family, friends, and team mates. Still images, maybe. A computer-generated 3-D representation of what happened would have been acceptable. But the ACTUAL fucking video?
I felt like throwing up.
As cold as this may sound..........that wipe out was pretty damn good. Sorry for the guys death but hey at that speed when things go wrong they go very, very, wrong. I was wondering why there was a big hole in the track off a turn.
Wasn't the sound of him hitting that pole awful.
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you seem to have trouble seperating fictional tv from factual life. Anyway, that's fine, you live your angry, jaded little view towards the world, and I'll do my best to try to improve it where possible by living a positive life, instead of being indifferent to it all like you seem to.
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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We can only hope changes will come from the accident but these would have occurred without sensationalizing his tragedy.
Secondly, as I stated, you say things like "real life" but in actuality, we simply make a conscious decision to ignore the slow death and impact of our media in things like violence, sex, drugs, alcohol, etc and ways on society but pretend to be outraged or shocked by something like this. You can make that distinction, I do not. You may not agree 100%, but even in small chances or odds, accidents happen. Luge is not a safe sport, and more closely resembles an extreme sport. Perhaps the injury or deaths from it are rare, but that doesn't take away from the fact of its nature and being. Just like many other extreme sports where we push the limits of safety due to speed, potential impact or results, it is a potential result and outcome. Obviously this was avoidable, but with that stated, even in the minimal chance of occurring, certainly possible.
Lastly, perhaps my words or viewpoints are harsh or more in your face than more appreciate or liken, but I do not separate myself from or above the rest society. I am a part of society, for better or worse...but not above. Also, as you state, you choose to see the beauty in the world and focus on positive, I on other hand feel in anything in life, if we wish to improve and get better in things, must accept, acknowledge and fully be aware of all sides, including the ugly, negative and unwanted realities of the world and society.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Fair enough. Again, I'm not outraged that it HAPPENED. I'm outraged that they showed it on TV. It was not live. It was not an actual run. It was a practice run, which are not usually shown on TV. This one was only because of the accident, and for people to tune in and see it for ratings purposes.
I obviously realize these things happen in real life. I just don't think EVERYTHING in real life requires an audience. This accident included.
Yes, I choose to see the beauty in things. This does not in any way mean I ignore the ugly. That's ridiculous. You are somehow inferring that I'm blinding myself from the realities of the world. Not at all. I see the world as it is, and I tend to FOCUS on making it positive. I still SEE the negative, but why FOCUS on it? Waste of time completely.
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St. Paul 2014
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
as do I, I guess we just see it differently.
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Porn is far from natural, its fantasy. Priests molesting kids isnt natural, its unnatural meaning "occurs less than on a regular basis or a variance with what normaly occurs". I dont lie to my kid when Spot gets hit by a car I take him with me to help me scrape him up off the pavement and explain death and the dangers of playing the road or in this case jumping on a luge. I'm not saying that a luge death is natural I'm saying that death is natural and putting your life at risk can cause death. Of course I'm not going to take my kid to youtube and show him the guy dying on a luge but if he sees it in a bowling alley on the news I most definitely will not make a big stink about it. I'll use the instance to my advantage.
I dont see how you got "he deserved it" from my statement. "Fact is that person chose to put his life at risk on national television." I'm still failing to see how he deserved it?
you said death is natural, so you'd let your kid watch someone dying in a luge accident. in that context, sex is natural, so you'd be fine letting your kid watch porn. same difference.
I NEVER SAID YOU SAID HE DESERVED TO DIE, just that he knew what he was getting into putting his life at risk on TV. I said you said he deserved to have his death shown on TV.
Explaining life's instances to your kids if they see it is obviously what we all do. My point is this shit shouldn't be on TV.
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and this comment 'I dont lie to my kid when Spot gets hit by a car I take him with me to help me scrape him up off the pavement and explain death and the dangers of playing the road'
i would assume that you have age limits as to when you would do that. i can't really imagine taking a young child to witness something like that. it's unnecessary added grief to a child. their dog is already dead they don't need to see that shit. what exactly does it teach them? dead is dead, spot aint gonna be wagging his tail when they come home from school every night so i'm pretty sure they will figure out he's dead and isn't coming home. why does your child have to see something that he loves destroyed? are your parenting skills so poor that you can't communicate death of an animal, or the dangers of playing on the road, or not looking for vehicles when you are near a road to your child without showing him the dead aminal?
i am so grateful i had parents who cared enough about me that they didn't think they needed to act all bad ass and cruel to 'teach me a lesson'. like can be a bitch as it is without putting kids through unnecessary pain.
i'm a critical care paramedic and i know how precious life is. i've also witnessed the trauma to kids when they have seen things they never should have seen and it can fuck them up for life.
and it's done purely for someone elses entertainment. and it teaches no lessons. it doesn't make people go slower, be more careful, be more attentive, not drink drive. it does nothing but get some people off on someone elses misfortune.
i believe it's because people still partly detach themselves from the realtiy of the situation. they think 'it will never happen to me". they think they are invincible.
i have no problems with using accident scenes, damaged vehicles etc to perhaps try and educate people on the dangers that you can entail, but i do have a problem with using someones actual death footage to make a point. we already agree it's not really a deterrant. to me it's disrespectful.
maybe i feel differently about it because i see death in real life too often, and i see the effect it has on the family.
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As cold as this may sound..........that wipe out was pretty damn good. Sorry for the guys death but hey at that speed when things go wrong they go very, very, wrong. I was wondering why there was a big hole in the track off a turn.
Wasn't the sound of him hitting that pole awful.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08