Olympic tragedy: death video on the news???

Cliffy6745

g under p wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

They are still going around 90mph after they cut about 2 football fields off the length of the track, can't imagine how fast they would be going if they were started from the mens start.

I'm checking it out too and they're hitting speeds of 90 mph, give me a tobaggon coarse or hockey anytime. That sport is crazy.

Peace

Insane, 90mph, 6 inches off the ground, rock hard ice and a 50 pound sled, absolutely insane.

dasvidana

I feel so sorry for this man's family. Having to deal with the unexpected death of a loved one is painful enough. Then add in the world wide attention plus the video being all over the internet.....ugh.

EddieLedBetter

I dont see the big deal with showing it. Sure its sad to see someone die but without seeing or facing death how can we come to sympathize with other humans. We see necks in the woods shooting at deer every morning on some channel. There plenty of 'caught on tape' type shows on tv all the time showing death. Its a natural part of life and in fact is the only one true thing we know about our existence... we will die. I dont think seeing it is a bad thing. It should make you think about life and there after. Something we shouldnt be numb to.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

EddieLedBetter wrote:

I dont see the big deal with showing it. Sure its sad to see someone die but without seeing or facing death how can we come to sympathize with other humans. We see necks in the woods shooting at deer every morning on some channel. There plenty of 'caught on tape' type shows on tv all the time showing death. Its a natural part of life and in fact is the only one true thing we know about our existence... we will die. I dont think seeing it is a bad thing. It should make you think about life and there after. Something we shouldnt be numb to.

I'm CERTAIN you'd feel different if it was a family member of yours. If you don't, then, sorry, but I believe there is something wrong with you.

Cliffy6745

Johnny Sitar wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

I dont see the big deal with showing it. Sure its sad to see someone die but without seeing or facing death how can we come to sympathize with other humans. We see necks in the woods shooting at deer every morning on some channel. There plenty of 'caught on tape' type shows on tv all the time showing death. Its a natural part of life and in fact is the only one true thing we know about our existence... we will die. I dont think seeing it is a bad thing. It should make you think about life and there after. Something we shouldnt be numb to.

I'm CERTAIN you'd feel different if it was a family member of yours. If you don't, then, sorry, but I believe there is something wrong with you.

I am also certain that this guys family was not watching the NBC broadcast of the opening ceremonies from Georgia. Not that it makes much of a difference, just sayin.

FiveB247x

I don't think it's yours or anyone else's responsibility to police what people should think, feel or believe. If we want to be treated like adults and responsible members of society that have and show respect for common ideals that benefit all, we all have to do our part. Simply telling someone what they should be, feel or think doesn't accomplish this fact. Censorship and blindfolding people from hardship, cause/effect issues and similar does not accomplish - if anything, the exposure of these things does cause awareness, thought provoking conversation and people to think thus altering actions.

Johnny Sitar wrote:

I'm CERTAIN you'd feel different if it was a family member of yours. If you don't, then, sorry, but I believe there is something wrong with you.

JD Sal

EddieLedBetter wrote:

I dont see the big deal with showing it. Sure its sad to see someone die but without seeing or facing death how can we come to sympathize with other humans. We see necks in the woods shooting at deer every morning on some channel. There plenty of 'caught on tape' type shows on tv all the time showing death. Its a natural part of life and in fact is the only one true thing we know about our existence... we will die. I dont think seeing it is a bad thing. It should make you think about life and there after. Something we shouldnt be numb to.

I strongly disagree with you. Human beings don't need to actually see a person die in order to sympathize...simply hearing about someone's death should be enough to make one think about life and there after.

Hell, nothing makes me angrier than hearing about a kid being abused, but I don't need to see a child being beaten or molested on TV in order to properly relate or sympathize. And taking a dump is a natural part of life too, however we don't need to see someone moving their bowels on TV. How about sex? Sure is natural, but you can't watch that uncensored on CBS, now can you? I agree that death isn't something we should be numb to, although showing a clip of some tragic luge accident several times on TV only adds to the numbness in my opinion.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

FiveB247x wrote:

I don't think it's yours or anyone else's responsibility to police what people should think, feel or believe. If we want to be treated like adults and responsible members of society that have and show respect for common ideals that benefit all, we all have to do our part. Simply telling someone what they should be, feel or think doesn't accomplish this fact. Censorship and blindfolding people from hardship, cause/effect issues and similar does not accomplish - if anything, the exposure of these things does cause awareness, thought provoking conversation and people to think thus altering actions.

Johnny Sitar wrote:

I'm CERTAIN you'd feel different if it was a family member of yours. If you don't, then, sorry, but I believe there is something wrong with you.

I have an opinion, buddy. It is my opinion that if someone's child died, and they had no problem having that death being shown on tv, then I think they might have something wrong with them. You are being a hypocrite if you are telling me that my opinion is not valid because it disagrees with someone else's. The point was obviously missed, but I was trying to say that if someone feels this way, it has to be across the board, if you are ok with anyone's death being on tv, you'd have to hold that same position even if it was one of your loved ones, which I highly doubt he would.

It causes no more awareness than it being reported without video. Here's something for you: my friend was out bowling with her kids and a whole bunch of kids, and it came on the tv and all these 10 year olds saw it and were horrified. Tell me: was THAT approptiate and responsible for the news to show knowing KIDS would potentially see it?

EddieLedBetter

Fact is that person chose to put his life at risk on national television. If it was my family member I would know the risk involved and expect it to be shown knowing the news media's tendencies. Would you feel the same way about a bull rider, or a base jumper or Dale Earnhardts death being played over and over? I've heard people across the bored say the idiot shouldn't have been on that bull or going that fast in a car. The video wasn't that bad anyway I've seen much worse injuries in football and other tv shows. Matter of fact I've seen more sickening injuries on a show on MTV which targets kids.

South of Seattle

Personally I think it should be shown. People need to see reality. Not fake reality like "Jersey Shore" and that BS.

For example you buy a pack of cigarettes in the US and it comes with a cute Camel on it and a coupon for free smokeless tobacco.

You buy a pack of smokes in Canada and there is a picture of a Black Lung on the back with disclaimers telling you why you shouldn't smoke.

People need to be exposed to everything.

keeponrockin

South of Seattle wrote:

Personally I think it should be shown. People need to see reality. Not fake reality like "Jersey Shore" and that BS.

For example you buy a pack of cigarettes in the US and it comes with a cute Camel on it and a coupon for free smokeless tobacco.

You buy a pack of smokes in Canada and there is a picture of a Black Lung on the back with disclaimers telling you why you shouldn't smoke.

People need to be exposed to everything.

I agree with this especially when it comes to war coverage. Show 1/2 bodies in the street. Show blood. Show the gore. Show people war.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Fact is that person chose to put his life at risk on national television. If it was my family member I would know the risk involved and expect it to be shown knowing the news media's tendencies. Would you feel the same way about a bull rider, or a base jumper or Dale Earnhardts death being played over and over? I've heard people across the bored say the idiot shouldn't have been on that bull or going that fast in a car. The video wasn't that bad anyway I've seen much worse injuries in football and other tv shows. Matter of fact I've seen more sickening injuries on a show on MTV which targets kids.

that's idiotic. you are basically saying the guy deserved it based on his profession. So let's show the world how stupid he really is. No family member would EVER think "well, if my son dies, I know it will be on TV". Who the fuck thinks "I hope my son doesn't die". They're thinking "I hope he wins gold".

Yes, I absolutely would feel the same about anyone, bull rider, race car driver, etc. A death should not be shown on TV repeatedly. Keep in mind, his was a practice run. It wasn't on live in the first place. But that's neither here nor there.

How can an injury be more sickening than a death? :?

So if someone happens to catch you being mowed down by a bus on a video camera, that you deserved for it to be on youtube for your family and the world to see because you decided to cross the street?

WOW.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

South of Seattle wrote:

Personally I think it should be shown. People need to see reality. Not fake reality like "Jersey Shore" and that BS.

For example you buy a pack of cigarettes in the US and it comes with a cute Camel on it and a coupon for free smokeless tobacco.

You buy a pack of smokes in Canada and there is a picture of a Black Lung on the back with disclaimers telling you why you shouldn't smoke.

People need to be exposed to everything.

How can you POSSIBLY compare showing a picture of a black lung on a pack of cigarettes to a twisted body dead against a metal pole???

People being "exposed to everything" is exactly what you people say is responsible for the desentisization of society to violence. So which is it?

FiveB247x

I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion - but in the end of the day, what makes yours any more correct than anyone else's that it should be a standard? This is exactly what is wrong with our society, everyone not only has opinions, but they feel entitled that others MUST abide by them - whether it's religion, politics, morals or similar. Believe what you feel and think, but it doesn't mean you're right nor does it mean others have to agree or live by your standards.

Johnny Sitar wrote:

I have an opinion, buddy. It is my opinion that if someone's child died, and they had no problem having that death being shown on tv, then I think they might have something wrong with them. You are being a hypocrite if you are telling me that my opinion is not valid because it disagrees with someone else's. The point was obviously missed, but I was trying to say that if someone feels this way, it has to be across the board, if you are ok with anyone's death being on tv, you'd have to hold that same position even if it was one of your loved ones, which I highly doubt he would.

It causes no more awareness than it being reported without video. Here's something for you: my friend was out bowling with her kids and a whole bunch of kids, and it came on the tv and all these 10 year olds saw it and were horrified. Tell me: was THAT approptiate and responsible for the news to show knowing KIDS would potentially see it?

FiveB247x

It's not idiotic, it's actually idiotic to not recognize the possible results of lugging at 90mph..and albeit a rare and freak accident - high risk sports can result in high risk results. Cause/effect - it's that simple.

Anyways, I find it funny that you ridicule the poster for agreeing this should be shown, yet don't really acknowledge the reasons why he says so. If we showed more families grieving for a drunk driver killing their child and showed the car wreck and even a little more gore of the victim, wouldn't that hit home for viewers compared to just wagging the finger or turning a blind eye? Once again, we like to hide and protect from emotions in our society rather than look at the cause/effect side of things.

Johnny Sitar wrote:

that's idiotic. you are basically saying the guy deserved it based on his profession. So let's show the world how stupid he really is. No family member would EVER think "well, if my son dies, I know it will be on TV". Who the fuck thinks "I hope my son doesn't die". They're thinking "I hope he wins gold".

Yes, I absolutely would feel the same about anyone, bull rider, race car driver, etc. A death should not be shown on TV repeatedly. Keep in mind, his was a practice run. It wasn't on live in the first place. But that's neither here nor there.

How can an injury be more sickening than a death? :?

So if someone happens to catch you being mowed down by a bus on a video camera, that you deserved for it to be on youtube for your family and the world to see because you decided to cross the street?

WOW.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

FiveB247x wrote:

I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion - but in the end of the day, what makes yours any more correct than anyone else's that it should be a standard? This is exactly what is wrong with our society, everyone not only has opinions, but they feel entitled that others MUST abide by them - whether it's religion, politics, morals or similar. Believe what you feel and think, but it doesn't mean you're right nor does it mean others have to agree or live by your standards.

dude, you seriously need to take a step back. I have an opinion. I expressed it. You are making me sound like Hitler.

I don't think real death should be shown on TV. Is that clear?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

FiveB247x wrote:

It's not idiotic, it's actually idiotic to not recognize the possible results of lugging at 90mph..and albeit a rare and freak accident - high risk sports can result in high risk results. Cause/effect - it's that simple.

Anyways, I find it funny that you ridicule the poster for agreeing this should be shown, yet don't really acknowledge the reasons why he says so. If we showed more families grieving for a drunk driver killing their child and showed the car wreck and even a little more gore of the victim, wouldn't that hit home for viewers compared to just wagging the finger or turning a blind eye? Once again, we like to hide and protect from emotions in our society rather than look at the cause/effect side of things.

Holy crap. My point was not that this guy should have known how potentially dangerous his sport is, it's that his horrible death shouldn't be shown on tv.

Showing a detterent to kids about drunk driving in a classroom is a LITTLE different than showing someone's gruesome death from sport on TV for everyone of all ages to see. I think a 16 year old kid might be able to handle it a bit better than a 7 or 10 year old in a bowling alley, don'tcha think?

FiveB247x

I don't think there's a difference at all. You say it's disrespectful to the family, yet you assume this is how they feel, because it's how you would feel/think... not the same thing.

EddieLedBetter

Johnny Sitar wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Fact is that person chose to put his life at risk on national television. If it was my family member I would know the risk involved and expect it to be shown knowing the news media's tendencies. Would you feel the same way about a bull rider, or a base jumper or Dale Earnhardts death being played over and over? I've heard people across the bored say the idiot shouldn't have been on that bull or going that fast in a car. The video wasn't that bad anyway I've seen much worse injuries in football and other tv shows. Matter of fact I've seen more sickening injuries on a show on MTV which targets kids.

that's idiotic. you are basically saying the guy deserved it based on his profession. So let's show the world how stupid he really is. No family member would EVER think "well, if my son dies, I know it will be on TV". Who the fuck thinks "I hope my son doesn't die". They're thinking "I hope he wins gold".

Yes, I absolutely would feel the same about anyone, bull rider, race car driver, etc. A death should not be shown on TV repeatedly. Keep in mind, his was a practice run. It wasn't on live in the first place. But that's neither here nor there.

How can an injury be more sickening than a death? :?

So if someone happens to catch you being mowed down by a bus on a video camera, that you deserved for it to be on youtube for your family and the world to see because you decided to cross the street?

WOW.

I never said he deserved it. I more or less said you shouldn’t be shocked when you put yourself in risky situations. Likewise you can’t expect the media to not show it, its good news footage to them. Fox didn’t show it out of respect and they are the ones always under fire from most people. What happened there? TV depicts people slowly killing themselves every time someone lights up a cigarette, kids see that every day knowing that it kills people every second. Life involves death, we shouldn’t censor things that are natural. Besides it wasn’t that gruesome, pull your skirt up Nancy.

g under p

BRAVO to Fox News it's about time they get some credit for doing something on a positive note.

Peace