I guess the bottom line for me is.....if they would have succeeded in the tapping and proved that there was some corruption going on I would have applauded them....i'm not applauding there arrest. It's time the people need to see and hear what is going on in Washington.
i criticize obama as well. if i disagree with something i will make it known...
i knew it would take less than 10 posts before he was brought into this thread which obviously had nothing to do with him... :roll:
seriously, this filmmaker and his accomplices were just morons.
So what you're saying is that you agree with EVERYTHING Obama has done so far?????? Because I haven't heard you complain about anything?
You really do only hear/see what you want to, huh? MSNBC never talked about the first ACORN sting, gimmesometruth27 never complained about anything Obama has done... etc...
Just because you didn't pay attention or don't remember something, doesn't mean that it never happened.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
i criticize obama as well. if i disagree with something i will make it known...
i knew it would take less than 10 posts before he was brought into this thread which obviously had nothing to do with him... :roll:
seriously, this filmmaker and his accomplices were just morons.
So what you're saying is that you agree with EVERYTHING Obama has done so far?????? Because I haven't heard you complain about anything?
wow, evidently you do not know that there is a "search user posts" option where you can see every post ever posted by whichever poster you want to see. because if you did, i am sure you would have searched my posts before typing such a blatant lie about me...
also you could search my posts and see my very harsh criticisms of obama regarding:
1. surge in afghanistan
2. failure to close gitmo
3. failure to overturn don't ask don't tell
4. continued spending billions in iraq and afghanistan
5. allowing more no bid contracts
6. failure of leadership on health care legislation
7. continuation of the patriot act
8. tacit support of isreal
i could go on but i think you get the idea that i do not blindly support obama...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I know nothing about this guy and have only cursory knowledge of the whole acorn story, but...
I like the idea of indie, rogue journalists bugging government officials. Fuck 'em. They wiretap the public, lets wiretap them back...and get the word out on what they're doing....hopefully by shortwave radio, that shit's cool. talk hard.
(Whole thing sounds like a bad B movie.....phone-guy costumes? really???)
I know nothing about this guy and have only cursory knowledge of the whole acorn story, but...
I like the idea of indie, rogue journalists bugging government officials. Fuck 'em. They wiretap the public, lets wiretap them back...and get the word out on what they're doing....hopefully by shortwave radio, that shit's cool. talk hard.
(Whole thing sounds like a bad B movie.....phone-guy costumes? really???)
sounds to me like they were dressed up like the construction worker guy in the village people...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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i enjoy making fun of people who have bumper stickers on their cars! i'm easily amused!
knock yourself out. go for it!
:thumbup:
Wow quite an interesting array of bumperstickers from that link. I can recall back when I had my dislikes of the previous administration and I had quite a few stickers. However, what I had to say I said in a way that made people think and think in a way you couldn't tell where I stood.
I liked being neutral but with a point to make.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Wow quite an interesting array of bumperstickers from that link. I can recall back when I had my dislikes of the previous administration and I had quite a few stickers. However, what I had to say I said in a way that made people think and think in a way you couldn't tell where I stood.
I liked being neutral but with a point to make.
Peace
haha i am a little less subtle g under p...one of my guitar cases is covered in radical bumber stickers...a few of them are:
"ignorance and arrogance is bad foreign policy"
"fight the man"
"overthrow that shit"
and "fuck the right"
i was definitely an angry young man at one point in my life...i nearly got my ass kicked a few times when soldiers, jocks, or rednecks would see my carrying my guitar into a gig and they read the case...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i criticize obama as well. if i disagree with something i will make it known...
i knew it would take less than 10 posts before he was brought into this thread which obviously had nothing to do with him... :roll:
seriously, this filmmaker and his accomplices were just morons.
So what you're saying is that you agree with EVERYTHING Obama has done so far?????? Because I haven't heard you complain about anything?
wow, evidently you do not know that there is a "search user posts" option where you can see every post ever posted by whichever poster you want to see. because if you did, i am sure you would have searched my posts before typing such a blatant lie about me...
wow, here is a post that i did early this morning criticizing obama, the thread is still onthe front page of the train: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=122123
also you could search my posts and see my very harsh criticisms of obama regarding:
1. surge in afghanistan
2. failure to close gitmo
3. failure to overturn don't ask don't tell
4. continued spending billions in iraq and afghanistan
5. allowing more no bid contracts
6. failure of leadership on health care legislation
7. continuation of the patriot act
8. tacit support of isreal
i could go on but i think you get the idea that i do not blindly support obama...
It was a neutral question, no i did not know about the search user post....peace
By the way, when I went to bed last night I flipped it on Fox and guess what they were talking about. And then I flipped it on Olbermann and he was STILL crying about Brown. It's funny how he is soooo angry.
By the way, when I went to bed last night I flipped it on Fox and guess what they were talking about. And then I flipped it on Olbermann and he was STILL crying about Brown. It's funny how he is soooo angry.
nobody is crying here. of this entire thread, most of us think the film maker and his associates went too far with what they wee trying to do and they broke the law. i want these guys prosecuted for what they did. yet you defend them, and then as usual you bring obama into it. it seems like your whole intent is to derail the thread instead of talking about the substance of it. these guys broke the law. they had an agenda. this is the same thing as what the watergate burglars did, except that this was the office of a united states senator and not just the democratic party headquarters and it was in broad daylight instead of actually breaking into the office after hours...
if you want a senator's phones tapped, petition the professionals, the FBI, who can do it legally with a court order, instead of some hack film crew.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
By the way, when I went to bed last night I flipped it on Fox and guess what they were talking about. And then I flipped it on Olbermann and he was STILL crying about Brown. It's funny how he is soooo angry.
I watched Fox News last night and I didn't hear them say anything about this illegal attempted break in. What is sad about this is that Fox News had this guy on a pedestal just a few months ago and now that he has fallen on his face with this alleged crime they fail to plaster it on their so called news station. Like I said if they had been successful in finding something on this Senator THAT would've been their lead story Yet they claim to be *Fair and Balanced.*
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I really am conflicted on this. I think the guy should def be prosecuted, mostly for being the village (people ) idiot….but at the same time…I think if he had uncovered massive corruption, we might be singing his praises. Or wishing there was a liberal equivalent …This is assuming he was looking for political corruption, not personal scandal. Investigative journalism vs tabloid reporting makes a difference in my personal judgment of this.
In a way, I wish there were more journalists willing to take risks to get the truth out. I know two wrongs don’t make a right, but in this atmosphere of media complicity in all govt actions, with our liberties being increasingly encroached upon by government….maybe a little rogue reporting would level the field a bit.
The guy was using illegal means to turn a profit, so I have a hard time finding sympathy if he is convicted…but I also have difficulty taking a moral stance against what he did. Considering the governments’ ability to do this to us, and our limited ability to hold them accountable for fucking ANYTHING…maybe non-violent vigilante justice is not so heinous? Interesting to consider, anyway.
I really am conflicted on this. I think the guy should def be prosecuted, mostly for being the village (people ) idiot….but at the same time…I think if he had uncovered massive corruption, we might be singing his praises. Or wishing there was a liberal equivalent …This is assuming he was looking for political corruption, not personal scandal. Investigative journalism vs tabloid reporting makes a difference in my personal judgment of this.
In a way, I wish there were more journalists willing to take risks to get the truth out. I know two wrongs don’t make a right, but in this atmosphere of media complicity in all govt actions, with our liberties being increasingly encroached upon by government….maybe a little rogue reporting would level the field a bit.
The guy was using illegal means to turn a profit, so I have a hard time finding sympathy if he is convicted…but I also have difficulty taking a moral stance against what he did. Considering the governments’ ability to do this to us, and our limited ability to hold them accountable for fucking ANYTHING…maybe non-violent vigilante justice is not so heinous? Interesting to consider, anyway.
good points
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
By the way, when I went to bed last night I flipped it on Fox and guess what they were talking about. And then I flipped it on Olbermann and he was STILL crying about Brown. It's funny how he is soooo angry.
I watched Fox News last night and I didn't hear them say anything about this illegal attempted break in. What is sad about this is that Fox News had this guy on a pedestal just a few months ago and now that he has fallen on his face with this alleged crime they fail to plaster it on their so called news station. Like I said if they had been successful in finding something on this Senator THAT would've been their lead story Yet they claim to be *Fair and Balanced.*
Peace
It was on Greta last night briefly, and Beck brought it up on his radio show today, pretty much said the same thing everybody is saying on here. Imagine that.
I really am conflicted on this. I think the guy should def be prosecuted, mostly for being the village (people ) idiot….but at the same time…I think if he had uncovered massive corruption, we might be singing his praises. Or wishing there was a liberal equivalent …This is assuming he was looking for political corruption, not personal scandal. Investigative journalism vs tabloid reporting makes a difference in my personal judgment of this.
In a way, I wish there were more journalists willing to take risks to get the truth out. I know two wrongs don’t make a right, but in this atmosphere of media complicity in all govt actions, with our liberties being increasingly encroached upon by government….maybe a little rogue reporting would level the field a bit.
The guy was using illegal means to turn a profit, so I have a hard time finding sympathy if he is convicted…but I also have difficulty taking a moral stance against what he did. Considering the governments’ ability to do this to us, and our limited ability to hold them accountable for fucking ANYTHING…maybe non-violent vigilante justice is not so heinous? Interesting to consider, anyway.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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You really do only hear/see what you want to, huh? MSNBC never talked about the first ACORN sting, gimmesometruth27 never complained about anything Obama has done... etc...
Just because you didn't pay attention or don't remember something, doesn't mean that it never happened.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
i'm not kind enough to link you to the actual sticker, it's there, but i figure you might get excited looking through the other 744 of them.
http://www.zazzle.com.au/acorn+bumperstickers
i enjoy making fun of people who have bumper stickers on their cars! i'm easily amused!
knock yourself out. go for it!
:thumbup:
wow, here is a post that i did early this morning criticizing obama, the thread is still onthe front page of the train: http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=122123
also you could search my posts and see my very harsh criticisms of obama regarding:
1. surge in afghanistan
2. failure to close gitmo
3. failure to overturn don't ask don't tell
4. continued spending billions in iraq and afghanistan
5. allowing more no bid contracts
6. failure of leadership on health care legislation
7. continuation of the patriot act
8. tacit support of isreal
i could go on but i think you get the idea that i do not blindly support obama...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I like the idea of indie, rogue journalists bugging government officials. Fuck 'em. They wiretap the public, lets wiretap them back...and get the word out on what they're doing....hopefully by shortwave radio, that shit's cool. talk hard.
(Whole thing sounds like a bad B movie.....phone-guy costumes? really???)
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Wow quite an interesting array of bumperstickers from that link. I can recall back when I had my dislikes of the previous administration and I had quite a few stickers. However, what I had to say I said in a way that made people think and think in a way you couldn't tell where I stood.
I liked being neutral but with a point to make.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
haha i am a little less subtle g under p...one of my guitar cases is covered in radical bumber stickers...a few of them are:
"ignorance and arrogance is bad foreign policy"
"fight the man"
"overthrow that shit"
and "fuck the right"
i was definitely an angry young man at one point in my life...i nearly got my ass kicked a few times when soldiers, jocks, or rednecks would see my carrying my guitar into a gig and they read the case...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It was a neutral question, no i did not know about the search user post....peace
if you want a senator's phones tapped, petition the professionals, the FBI, who can do it legally with a court order, instead of some hack film crew.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It was a neutral question, no i did not know about the search user post....peace[/quote]
how was implying that i am a blind obama sheep neutral?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I watched Fox News last night and I didn't hear them say anything about this illegal attempted break in. What is sad about this is that Fox News had this guy on a pedestal just a few months ago and now that he has fallen on his face with this alleged crime they fail to plaster it on their so called news station. Like I said if they had been successful in finding something on this Senator THAT would've been their lead story Yet they claim to be *Fair and Balanced.*
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
In a way, I wish there were more journalists willing to take risks to get the truth out. I know two wrongs don’t make a right, but in this atmosphere of media complicity in all govt actions, with our liberties being increasingly encroached upon by government….maybe a little rogue reporting would level the field a bit.
The guy was using illegal means to turn a profit, so I have a hard time finding sympathy if he is convicted…but I also have difficulty taking a moral stance against what he did. Considering the governments’ ability to do this to us, and our limited ability to hold them accountable for fucking ANYTHING…maybe non-violent vigilante justice is not so heinous? Interesting to consider, anyway.
good points
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
It was on Greta last night briefly, and Beck brought it up on his radio show today, pretty much said the same thing everybody is saying on here. Imagine that.