other than a picture I took on an old battlefield a few years ago
Let's see it then.
Well, I'm pretty torn on the whole ghost thing. I have a deep rooted faith in God, and I'm not saying there can't be ghosts, but it just seems to go against some of my beliefs. With that being said, I did take a trip to Gettysburg a few years ago with my wife. I'm a huge history nut. There is just something about that place that is just indescribable. The vibe I got was crazy. Every so often I would just have these really weird feelings, and the hair on my neck would stand on end.
Well, I'd always read these trip reports about people getting these "orbs" in their pictures. To me, they were just specs of dust in the air. So my wife and I go out on the battlefield one night. I kept bugging her about going out on a "ghost hunt" just for fun. I'll never forget. The moon was full, clouds were moving fast across the night sky, and the wind was brisk. So I hold the camera in front of me and take some pictures. I felt like a complete fool because it was black out, other than the glow of the moon, and I'm snapping pics. Anyway, I snap one and I say...."hey that looks like an orb" just kind of half joking. So we sat there analyzing it a bit. Took a few more and I started seeing more of them. I then hold the camera out and I take 2 shots within about 3 seconds. The first shot showed nothing. Out of the corner of my eye I see something literally fly towards me just for a split second as the flash went off. The second shot showed this.................
Man, the instant I saw that in the view screen, I hauled it to the car. I have never run that fast in my life. My wife is freaking out behind me because all she knew is I was running my butt off to the car, but she had no idea why. Holy crap, we laughed about it afterwards, but man I think that was the most scared I've ever been. The picture has always intrigued me, it looks like something flying, with like wings spread out and it's head turned towards me with big black eyes. Creeps me out just thinking about it.
dude, I cant believe you ran and left your wife with that hideous ghost!
I didn't get this *idea* of events until about 10 years after my open-heart surgery, but I have a sense that during my second open-heart surgery I had the chance to leave or stay. I was perpendicular to the floor, even though my body was parallel to the table. I saw someone who I thought was my dad look through the operating room window. I immediately went back into my body as I was scared of my dad, and I basically hid from him.
On some level this *memory* does not make sense as my dad did not look through the operating room window. However, he did say I was in trouble during that operation. All I know is that I ended up with A LOT more scars after the second operation than the first including a tracheotomy scar which I didn't have the first time around.
I just put it up to a guardian angel doing what needed to be done to make sure I didn't leave.
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Near death experiences are certainly real but as mentioned the mind is a powerful thing.....
Ghosts? They don't exist....if they did they would be all over the place
But how can you be sure that they don't exist? Maybe you, and the overwhelming majority of the rest of us, just can't see them.... :eh:
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
There are those who believe and those who know. Experiences in such realms are real. Do any of us have the answers as to how or why? Some would excuse it as seeing what one wants to see. Some things are just beyond our reasoning and understanding still. The world and all that is within it and beyond it is constructed of energy. Energy can take many different forms. I have seen and experienced things that no one would believe on this forum for the most part but the other people who experienced them and saw the same things as I did on a few occasions remember just like I do.
Near death experiences are certainly real but as mentioned the mind is a powerful thing.....
Ghosts? They don't exist....if they did they would be all over the place
But how can you be sure that they don't exist? Maybe you, and the overwhelming majority of the rest of us, just can't see them.... :eh:
yeah but I can't see invisible spaghetti people either...do they exist?
Who knows? You can't say that something doesn't exist just because you can't see it. Can you see radio signals or wireless internet service? You only know they exist because there is an end product you can hear, feel, see or touch. Just for grins, let's say that the "end product" of a ghost is to scare the hell out of living beings. In Shawshank's case, I'd say that whatever "it" was, it accomplished just that. He felt something out there in that field. He not only felt the hair on his neck stand up, he has a scary looking image that we can all "see" was out there on an otherwise clear night. I'm not arguing for or against the existence of ghosts, I'm just saying that it's not really logical to make an absolute statement about the situation one way or the other. The OP's intent was to hear other people's experiences and opinions.
I think it was Einstein who said something to the effect that intelligent people are the ones who realize that they know very little. Man only uses a tiny portion of the brain matter that's available to him. JMO but there's probably a lot out there that we're missing.
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
There are those who believe and those who know. Experiences in such realms are real. Do any of us have the answers as to how or why? Some would excuse it as seeing what one wants to see. Some things are just beyond our reasoning and understanding still. The world and all that is within it and beyond it is constructed of energy. Energy can take many different forms. I have seen and experienced things that no one would believe on this forum for the most part but the other people who experienced them and saw the same things as I did on a few occasions remember just like I do.
Who knows? You can't say that something doesn't exist just because you can't see it. Can you see radio signals or wireless internet service? You only know they exist because there is an end product you can hear, feel, see or touch. Just for grins, let's say that the "end product" of a ghost is to scare the hell out of living beings. In Shawshank's case, I'd say that whatever "it" was, it accomplished just that. He felt something out there in that field. He not only felt the hair on his neck stand up, he has a scary looking image that we can all "see" was out there on an otherwise clear night. I'm not arguing for or against the existence of ghosts, I'm just saying that it's not really logical to make an absolute statement about the situation one way or the other. The OP's intent was to hear other people's experiences and opinions.
I think it was Einstein who said something to the effect that intelligent people are the ones who realize that they know very little. Man only uses a tiny portion of the brain matter that's available to him. JMO but there's probably a lot out there that we're missing.
and I gave my opinion.....they don't exist
if they do exist please prove it to us
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
Who knows? You can't say that something doesn't exist just because you can't see it. Can you see radio signals or wireless internet service? You only know they exist because there is an end product you can hear, feel, see or touch. Just for grins, let's say that the "end product" of a ghost is to scare the hell out of living beings. In Shawshank's case, I'd say that whatever "it" was, it accomplished just that. He felt something out there in that field. He not only felt the hair on his neck stand up, he has a scary looking image that we can all "see" was out there on an otherwise clear night. I'm not arguing for or against the existence of ghosts, I'm just saying that it's not really logical to make an absolute statement about the situation one way or the other. The OP's intent was to hear other people's experiences and opinions.
I think it was Einstein who said something to the effect that intelligent people are the ones who realize that they know very little. Man only uses a tiny portion of the brain matter that's available to him. JMO but there's probably a lot out there that we're missing.
and I gave my opinion.....they don't exist
if they do exist please prove it to us
You didn't get it. Please read what I had to say and consider it instead of just going off on people because they don't agree with you. YOU were the one making an absolute statement, a statement that is not logical given the fact that we can't prove or disprove their existence.
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
If we want to argue that because I can't prove they don't exist then they could possibly exist then I would ask that we compile of list of other things that we can't prove that could possibly exist like invisible spaghetti people.
I'm not trying to be a jerk....but come on, logic would tell you that if ghosts existed we would be able to observe them on a regular and measured basis.
What causes a ghost/spirit to present itself? How often does this occur? What % of deaths result in a ghost/spirit formation?
When you consider the current number of people on the earth right now and then look at the number of people who have EVER existed that could possibly generate a ghost/spirit upon their deaths then you would have to admit that there would be millions of them. You could not drive down the street without seeing them all over the place.
So, in conclusion, I would argue that it is perfectly logical for me to say that they absolutely do not exist. And I would also say that proof is on my side. Otherwise, please take me to see a ghost.
I've always been interested in this subject....I've always said that if I could be convinced that ghosts exist then I could be more convinced of god or gods.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018) The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
If we want to argue that because I can't prove they don't exist then they could possibly exist then I would ask that we compile of list of other things that we can't prove that could possibly exist like invisible spaghetti people.
I'm not trying to be a jerk....but come on, logic would tell you that if ghosts existed we would be able to observe them on a regular and measured basis.
What causes a ghost/spirit to present itself? How often does this occur? What % of deaths result in a ghost/spirit formation?
When you consider the current number of people on the earth right now and then look at the number of people who have EVER existed that could possibly generate a ghost/spirit upon their deaths then you would have to admit that there would be millions of them. You could not drive down the street without seeing them all over the place.
So, in conclusion, I would argue that it is perfectly logical for me to say that they absolutely do not exist. And I would also say that proof is on my side. Otherwise, please take me to see a ghost.
I've always been interested in this subject....I've always said that if I could be convinced that ghosts exist then I could be more convinced of god or gods.
I'm not capable of taking you to see one, but I'm willing to consider that there are probably people somewhere who could. I don't imagine anyone with that particular skill advertises much due to the fact that people would make their life miserable.
There are books out there written by people who claim to have had all kinds of "other worldly" experiences. Are some of them charlatans, I'm sure some are. I'm guessing that the law of averages says that there are a few who had legitimate experiences.
Logic tells me that if ghosts exist, that they probably don't lend themselves to becoming tourist attractions. Logic also tells me that if they do exist, and someone encounters one, that it's probably a random occurence. There are TV programs dedicated to "ghost hunting" - although I've never watched one and have no reference point on the subject.
All I'm proposing is that someone, somewhere might be able to comply with your request. Unless you and I were acquainted with every single person in this country, or the world, we couldn't unequivocably say that it doesn't happen. I can't prove that they do exist, just as you can't prove that they don't.
I'd like to hear "experiences" that others have had besides the OP........ anyone??
~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
when you approach death your brain is flooded with DMT, the most hallucinogenic substance known to man. You can buy the stuff (though it is hard to find) and smoke it if you want to know what it is like to die. Or just do a "heroic dose" of psilocybic or lsd. A "heroic dose" is the one where you think you are dead or dying for about 4 or 6 hours (a "bad trip"). For me, this is the only "trip" worth taking. Dissolve the ego...
Stop talking about it and see for yourself.
Yes, when my niece was dying the doc said her brain was at peace already. That is why she was talking so wierd. She slipped into a coma shortly afterwards, but yeah, the brain is not right.
what do you mean, "the brain is not right?" I think it is an evolutionary miracle that the pineal gland (your third eye, according to some of us... with this as its ONLY purpose) floods your brain with DMT at death. There are truly no words to describe how beautiful (and weird) this experience is!
Her brain was flooded with something, the doc didn't call it DMT, but I don't remember what he said it was. He did say the brain does get less oxygen and does get this other thing and people hallucinate, etc. It ends up they die peacefully. I witnessed it myself and it was peaceful. She was talking all this weird stuff, but was okay.
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On some level this *memory* does not make sense as my dad did not look through the operating room window. However, he did say I was in trouble during that operation. All I know is that I ended up with A LOT more scars after the second operation than the first including a tracheotomy scar which I didn't have the first time around.
I just put it up to a guardian angel doing what needed to be done to make sure I didn't leave.
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
Ghosts? They don't exist....if they did they would be all over the place
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
But how can you be sure that they don't exist? Maybe you, and the overwhelming majority of the rest of us, just can't see them.... :eh:
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
yeah but I can't see invisible spaghetti people either...do they exist?
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
Maybe they are! :think:
Who knows? You can't say that something doesn't exist just because you can't see it. Can you see radio signals or wireless internet service? You only know they exist because there is an end product you can hear, feel, see or touch. Just for grins, let's say that the "end product" of a ghost is to scare the hell out of living beings. In Shawshank's case, I'd say that whatever "it" was, it accomplished just that. He felt something out there in that field. He not only felt the hair on his neck stand up, he has a scary looking image that we can all "see" was out there on an otherwise clear night. I'm not arguing for or against the existence of ghosts, I'm just saying that it's not really logical to make an absolute statement about the situation one way or the other. The OP's intent was to hear other people's experiences and opinions.
I think it was Einstein who said something to the effect that intelligent people are the ones who realize that they know very little. Man only uses a tiny portion of the brain matter that's available to him. JMO but there's probably a lot out there that we're missing.
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
http://www.skepdic.com/randi.html
congrats man! contact this dude and get your million!!!!
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
and I gave my opinion.....they don't exist
if they do exist please prove it to us
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
You didn't get it. Please read what I had to say and consider it instead of just going off on people because they don't agree with you. YOU were the one making an absolute statement, a statement that is not logical given the fact that we can't prove or disprove their existence.
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau
If we want to argue that because I can't prove they don't exist then they could possibly exist then I would ask that we compile of list of other things that we can't prove that could possibly exist like invisible spaghetti people.
I'm not trying to be a jerk....but come on, logic would tell you that if ghosts existed we would be able to observe them on a regular and measured basis.
What causes a ghost/spirit to present itself? How often does this occur? What % of deaths result in a ghost/spirit formation?
When you consider the current number of people on the earth right now and then look at the number of people who have EVER existed that could possibly generate a ghost/spirit upon their deaths then you would have to admit that there would be millions of them. You could not drive down the street without seeing them all over the place.
So, in conclusion, I would argue that it is perfectly logical for me to say that they absolutely do not exist. And I would also say that proof is on my side. Otherwise, please take me to see a ghost.
I've always been interested in this subject....I've always said that if I could be convinced that ghosts exist then I could be more convinced of god or gods.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
I'm not capable of taking you to see one, but I'm willing to consider that there are probably people somewhere who could. I don't imagine anyone with that particular skill advertises much due to the fact that people would make their life miserable.
There are books out there written by people who claim to have had all kinds of "other worldly" experiences. Are some of them charlatans, I'm sure some are. I'm guessing that the law of averages says that there are a few who had legitimate experiences.
Logic tells me that if ghosts exist, that they probably don't lend themselves to becoming tourist attractions. Logic also tells me that if they do exist, and someone encounters one, that it's probably a random occurence. There are TV programs dedicated to "ghost hunting" - although I've never watched one and have no reference point on the subject.
All I'm proposing is that someone, somewhere might be able to comply with your request. Unless you and I were acquainted with every single person in this country, or the world, we couldn't unequivocably say that it doesn't happen. I can't prove that they do exist, just as you can't prove that they don't.
I'd like to hear "experiences" that others have had besides the OP........ anyone??
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau