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  • whatsgoingon
    whatsgoingon Posts: 62
    It wasn't meant to be funny I though the point of this thread was to post made ups stories about how evil Israel is.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    It wasn't meant to be funny I though the point of this thread was to post made ups stories about how evil Israel is.
    Israel used white phosphorus during their attacks on Gaza. White phosphorus is illegal and its affects on the civilians were deadly. How does it feel to support one of the cruelest regimes in the world? You must be talented at tuning out everytime someone mentions any facts or any news is posted.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    It wasn't meant to be funny I though the point of this thread was to post made ups stories about how evil Israel is.
    why would you bother posting made up stories? there's plenty of real stories that show clearly israel's motives. ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.

    not funny. at all.
  • ogre1213
    ogre1213 Posts: 402
    Byrnzie wrote:
    ogre1213 wrote:
    if you believe this you are crazy

    seriously , this is insane, get your facts straight and from a non-propaganda website

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8467543.stm

    its obvious hamas is trying to capitalize from this natural disaster

    Israel is saving lives:
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1143388.html

    Neither of these articles say anything about the claim that the Israeli's opened the flood gates. So why did you post them?

    to prove its a weather problem and just another lie from hamas
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    It wasn't meant to be funny I though the point of this thread was to post made ups stories about how evil Israel is.
    why would you bother posting made up stories? there's plenty of real stories that show clearly israel's motives. ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.

    not funny. at all.

    prove it, Israel is cleansing the terrorist group hamas who targets Israeli civilians, and hides behind palestinian civilians, nothing more
    you will show me propaganda articles from jihadist and Iranian websites and fake pictures , its all BS, the only problem in the area is hamas, their unwillingness to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, their terrorist tactics, their war crimes of targeting civilians and hiding behind civilians
    you're going to tell me , Israel is the problem they're suffocating the palestinians --
    not true -
    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Co ... h_calm.htm
    Israel is in an impossible situation of trying to eliminate their enemies who are targeting their civilians while keeping the innocent civilian population safe
    bottom line is if you want there to be a two-state solution and peace hamas needs to get its act together
    Some die just to live
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    ogre1213 wrote:
    prove it, Israel is cleansing the terrorist group hamas who targets Israeli civilians, and hides behind palestinian civilians, nothing more
    you will show me propaganda articles from jihadist and Iranian websites and fake pictures , its all BS, the only problem in the area is hamas, their unwillingness to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, their terrorist tactics, their war crimes of targeting civilians and hiding behind civilians
    you're going to tell me , Israel is the problem they're suffocating the palestinians --
    not true -
    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Co ... h_calm.htm
    Israel is in an impossible situation of trying to eliminate their enemies who are targeting their civilians while keeping the innocent civilian population safe
    bottom line is if you want there to be a two-state solution and peace hamas needs to get its act together

    as israel continues to expand its illegal settlements.... :roll:


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ma ... ory-byline

    An IDF squad leader is quoted in the daily newspaper Ha'aretz as saying his soldiers interpreted the rules to mean "we should kill everyone there [in the centre of Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist."



    Israel tries to claim that virtually everything and everyone was an extension of Hamas and therefor a viable target so you can save the 'Israel doesn't kill innocent people' crap

    it's all hamas's fault, whose fault was it before hamas was elected? it's always them yet they are the ones who are constantly being taken from.

    and even the world health organization has reported that Israel keeps 80% of the water in the region for themselves and give the Palestinians only 20%, i guess they are evil anti semites who won't recognize Israel, too, right? i guess it's the same for UNICEF and other children's rights groups that report because of the impact from Israel's blockades and closure of roads the majority of children suffer from acute malnutrition....

    where are most of the rockets aimed at? perhaps at illegal settlements like sderot which used to be a Palestinian village until Israel bulldozed it down and ran them out by force then build their jewish only illegal settlement?? :roll:
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

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    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    ogre1213 wrote:

    prove it, Israel is cleansing the terrorist group hamas who targets Israeli civilians, and hides behind palestinian civilians, nothing more
    you will show me propaganda articles from jihadist and Iranian websites and fake pictures , its all BS, the only problem in the area is hamas, their unwillingness to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, their terrorist tactics, their war crimes of targeting civilians and hiding behind civilians
    you're going to tell me , Israel is the problem they're suffocating the palestinians --
    not true -
    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Co ... h_calm.htm
    Israel is in an impossible situation of trying to eliminate their enemies who are targeting their civilians while keeping the innocent civilian population safe
    bottom line is if you want there to be a two-state solution and peace hamas needs to get its act together
    Sorry, but no one should be 'cleansing' anyone. You're essentially talking genocide - Hamas is representing a point of view - it is not JUST the people directly involved in the organization that support their stance. Usign the word cleansing sounds outright fucking psychotic to anyone with a brain.
    You make it sound like there is NO valid argument coming from the Palestinian side of the fence (wall), and they are 100% at fault in all of the conflict. Saying THEY are the ones that needs to get their act together and accept YOUR stance, or.....what? be 'cleansed'?
    That makes YOU sound like a fucking terrorist in my books, bub. sick.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Drowned Out wrote:
    [Sorry, but no one should be 'cleansing' anyone. You're essentially talking genocide - Hamas is representing a point of view - it is not JUST the people directly involved in the organization that support their stance. Usign the word cleansing sounds outright fucking psychotic to anyone with a brain.
    You make it sound like there is NO valid argument coming from the Palestinian side of the fence (wall), and they are 100% at fault in all of the conflict. Saying THEY are the ones that needs to get their act together and accept YOUR stance, or.....what? be 'cleansed'?
    That makes YOU sound like a fucking terrorist in my books, bub. sick.

    Hmmm ... Yes and no. I see your point, cleansed is probably not a great choice of words, although it is a favorite word of the anti-Israel crowd and so maybe you shouldn't be surprised to see it turned around. Hamas DOES represent a prevailing point of view, or at least part of their ideology does. My issue with groups like this is that they do not pitch themselves as "freedom fighters" per se, although that's certainly a part of it. Rather, they overtly adopt a "wipe out Israel" stance, essentially adopting the same "genocidal" stance that many accuse the Israelis of. In this instance, it would seem, two wrongs really do make a right. In addition, Hamas uses terrorist tactics. The Isrealis have used such tactics as well, both historically and more recently. I'd argue that many of Isreali's actions involve a wantom disregard for civilian life, as opposed to overt attempts to kill civilians to acheive a political goal. If one adopts this latter view as the definition of terrorism senso stricto, Hamas clearly fits and Israel may or may not, depending on what you believe about their "true motives". Maybe ogre really does think the Palestinians are 100% at fault, and many of you guys seem to feel that the same extreme view is accurate, just flipped around. I reckon that the truth is more complex than 100% right or wrong either way. When has any conflict ever been that simple?
    Personally, I'd blame Israel for continued settlement expansion and a refusal to withdraw to Israel's rightful pre-1967 borders. I'd blame Palestinian extremist elements for fanning the flames and giving the Israelis a reason to be afraid. Fear makes people do stupid things. Sorry, but shooting at someone who enters your lands to make war is one thing ... Lobbing a rocket into civilian areas is something else. Keep giving Isreal an excuse is a great way to prop up expansionist mindsets.
  • ogre1213
    ogre1213 Posts: 402
    Drowned Out wrote:
    ogre1213 wrote:

    prove it, Israel is cleansing the terrorist group hamas who targets Israeli civilians, and hides behind palestinian civilians, nothing more
    you will show me propaganda articles from jihadist and Iranian websites and fake pictures , its all BS, the only problem in the area is hamas, their unwillingness to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, their terrorist tactics, their war crimes of targeting civilians and hiding behind civilians
    you're going to tell me , Israel is the problem they're suffocating the palestinians --
    not true -
    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Co ... h_calm.htm
    Israel is in an impossible situation of trying to eliminate their enemies who are targeting their civilians while keeping the innocent civilian population safe
    bottom line is if you want there to be a two-state solution and peace hamas needs to get its act together
    Sorry, but no one should be 'cleansing' anyone. You're essentially talking genocide - Hamas is representing a point of view - it is not JUST the people directly involved in the organization that support their stance. Usign the word cleansing sounds outright fucking psychotic to anyone with a brain.
    You make it sound like there is NO valid argument coming from the Palestinian side of the fence (wall), and they are 100% at fault in all of the conflict. Saying THEY are the ones that needs to get their act together and accept YOUR stance, or.....what? be 'cleansed'?
    That makes YOU sound like a fucking terrorist in my books, bub. sick.

    you're 100% right, i shouldn't have used that word
    i just hate when people accuse Israel of "cleansing"
    let me rephrase:
    when hamas attacks, israel is targeting hamas
    Some die just to live
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    ogre1213 wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    ogre1213 wrote:

    prove it, Israel is cleansing the terrorist group hamas who targets Israeli civilians, and hides behind palestinian civilians, nothing more
    you will show me propaganda articles from jihadist and Iranian websites and fake pictures , its all BS, the only problem in the area is hamas, their unwillingness to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, their terrorist tactics, their war crimes of targeting civilians and hiding behind civilians
    you're going to tell me , Israel is the problem they're suffocating the palestinians --
    not true -
    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Co ... h_calm.htm
    Israel is in an impossible situation of trying to eliminate their enemies who are targeting their civilians while keeping the innocent civilian population safe
    bottom line is if you want there to be a two-state solution and peace hamas needs to get its act together
    Sorry, but no one should be 'cleansing' anyone. You're essentially talking genocide - Hamas is representing a point of view - it is not JUST the people directly involved in the organization that support their stance. Usign the word cleansing sounds outright fucking psychotic to anyone with a brain.
    You make it sound like there is NO valid argument coming from the Palestinian side of the fence (wall), and they are 100% at fault in all of the conflict. Saying THEY are the ones that needs to get their act together and accept YOUR stance, or.....what? be 'cleansed'?
    That makes YOU sound like a fucking terrorist in my books, bub. sick.

    you're 100% right, i shouldn't have used that word
    i just hate when people accuse Israel of "cleansing"
    let me rephrase:
    when hamas attacks, israel is targeting hamas


    according to ha'aretz during operation cast lead Israel targeted everyone
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    ogre1213 wrote:
    prove it, Israel is cleansing the terrorist group hamas who targets Israeli civilians, and hides behind palestinian civilians, nothing more
    you will show me propaganda articles from jihadist and Iranian websites and fake pictures , its all BS, the only problem in the area is hamas, their unwillingness to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, their terrorist tactics, their war crimes of targeting civilians and hiding behind civilians
    you're going to tell me , Israel is the problem they're suffocating the palestinians --
    not true -
    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Co ... h_calm.htm
    Hamas only became an organization 20 years ago. And yet, Israel has been occupying the West Bank and Gaza for 40 years. Any explanation?
    Israel is in an impossible situation of trying to eliminate their enemies who are targeting their civilians while keeping the innocent civilian population safe
    bottom line is if you want there to be a two-state solution and peace hamas needs to get its act together
    get its act together? what does that even mean? we're talking about people's lives here. Israel is allowed to keep killing these people from Gaza until Hamas 'gets its act together'?
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    rebornFixer wrote:

    Hmmm ... Yes and no. I see your point, cleansed is probably not a great choice of words, although it is a favorite word of the anti-Israel crowd and so maybe you shouldn't be surprised to see it turned around. Hamas DOES represent a prevailing point of view, or at least part of their ideology does. My issue with groups like this is that they do not pitch themselves as "freedom fighters" per se, although that's certainly a part of it. Rather, they overtly adopt a "wipe out Israel" stance, essentially adopting the same "genocidal" stance that many accuse the Israelis of. In this instance, it would seem, two wrongs really do make a right. In addition, Hamas uses terrorist tactics. The Isrealis have used such tactics as well, both historically and more recently. I'd argue that many of Isreali's actions involve a wantom disregard for civilian life, as opposed to overt attempts to kill civilians to acheive a political goal. If one adopts this latter view as the definition of terrorism senso stricto, Hamas clearly fits and Israel may or may not, depending on what you believe about their "true motives". Maybe ogre really does think the Palestinians are 100% at fault, and many of you guys seem to feel that the same extreme view is accurate, just flipped around. I reckon that the truth is more complex than 100% right or wrong either way. When has any conflict ever been that simple?
    Personally, I'd blame Israel for continued settlement expansion and a refusal to withdraw to Israel's rightful pre-1967 borders. I'd blame Palestinian extremist elements for fanning the flames and giving the Israelis a reason to be afraid. Fear makes people do stupid things. Sorry, but shooting at someone who enters your lands to make war is one thing ... Lobbing a rocket into civilian areas is something else. Keep giving Isreal an excuse is a great way to prop up expansionist mindsets.
    I’m always conflicted with that reasoning – I agree with you in theory, but…how else can they fight back? Palestinian pacifism may help to stop the fighting….and maybe, eventually, someday…contribute to easing the oppressive measures taken against them….but would that trickle down to Israeli withdrawl from Palestinian land? I have my doubts.
    The definition of terrorism you speak of seems to have as much to do with scale as it does motives IMO. Either side can claim any motive for any action…But from a PR standpoint, it’s much easier to call IED and handheld rocket attacks ‘terrorism’, than it is for state-sponsored military actions, sanctions, blockades etc…. Those actions get to fall back on terms like ‘collateral damage’, ‘security’, and similar excuses – actions which, comparatively, make IED’s and rockets look like child’s play.
    It does tie in to another point you made – that the extremist mindset seen on both sides is especially detrimental to the Palestinian cause in that it takes away from the freedom fighting side of their story – being seen as freedom fighters may be the difference in finding outside sympathy…. which, if gained from the Israeli and US public, could be the only chance they have of affecting change. Whereas Israeli extremism has less negative impact on Israel’s cause because they’re already in the position of power and are not so desperate to change the status quo.
    It’s sad that lives hang in the balance of a f’n PR competition….the deeper pockets always prevail, with no regard for right and wrong.
    ogre1213 wrote:
    you're 100% right, i shouldn't have used that word
    i just hate when people accuse Israel of "cleansing"
    let me rephrase:
    when hamas attacks, israel is targeting hamas
    Cool. I disagree with your last sentence, but I'm glad you can concede that you used the wrong word (and I'm more glad you don't actually feel that way).
    Talking about eliminating the enemy is totally counterproductive….hearts and minds and all that, ya know?
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    Drowned Out wrote:
    I’m always conflicted with that reasoning – I agree with you in theory, but…how else can they fight back? Palestinian pacifism may help to stop the fighting….and maybe, eventually, someday…contribute to easing the oppressive measures taken against them….but would that trickle down to Israeli withdrawl from Palestinian land? I have my doubts.

    Israel locks up the pacifists without a charge or trial, too

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    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

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    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • ogre1213
    ogre1213 Posts: 402
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    An IDF squad leader is quoted in the daily newspaper Ha'aretz as saying his soldiers interpreted the rules to mean "we should kill everyone there [in the centre of Gaza]. Everyone there is a terrorist."
    this is a quote from a pissed off soldier that was complaining to his commander that they should kill everyone, this is actually pretty fked up but its not the overall policy of the idf
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    Israel tries to claim that virtually everything and everyone was an extension of Hamas and therefor a viable target so you can save the 'Israel doesn't kill innocent people' crap
    what are you talking about?!?!
    you're believing MORE of their lies ( http://www.takeapen.org/Takeapen/Templa ... 4&FID=1663 )
    think logically for a second, if israel actually tries to claim everything and everyone is an extension of hamas don't you think A LOT more people would have died.

    considering the density of the population, and the well know fact that hamas was using civilians and civilian buildings as shields and places to launch rockets, i think Israel did a great job in protecting the palestinian civilians, listen its war, it sucks so much that innocent palestinian civilians died , its very unfortunate i agree , but to say Israel is intentionally targeting all palestinians including civilians is just not right

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ2nYZyNpcU
    Former British Army Colonel Richard Kemp discusses on BBC the Operation Cast Lead within Gaza. He speaks about the military challenges, IDF's conduct, the civilian casualties, and Hamas using the Gaza population as human shields. "I don't think that there has ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza" .
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  • ogre1213
    ogre1213 Posts: 402
    _outlaw wrote:
    Hamas only became an organization 20 years ago. And yet, Israel has been occupying the West Bank and Gaza for 40 years. Any explanation?
    occupying is such a strong word
    http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/167 ... nian-land/
    _outlaw wrote:
    get its act together? what does that even mean? we're talking about people's lives here. Israel is allowed to keep killing these people from Gaza until Hamas 'gets its act together'?
    get its act together - as in:
    1. recognize the Jewish people have a right to the land of Israel
    2. denounce terror and violence
    3. stop targeting civilians and hiding behind civilians
    4. stop smuggling weapons into gaza
    5. stop lying and brainwashing people
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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    ogre1213 wrote:
    but to say Israel is intentionally targeting all palestinians including civilians is just not right
    who are you trying to convince? yourself?

    israel targets innocent palestinians every single day.

    are you trying to convince me it's not intentional, and it's acceptable to you that israel can just arrest and imprison something like 40% of Palestinian men from the Occupied Territories, without any trial, without any charges laid against them. just brutally and cruelly arrested while their families are destroyed and traumatized forever.

    and they can keep them there forever if they like. no trial, no charges, just fuck you, we will lock you up. suck it up right?

    we can also talk about the Israeli army stopping ambulances at gunpoint to prevent sick people receiving care. old people. children. denying their basic human rights in every way they possibly can.

    what a fucked up place. and you support that? how can you? is it because it's not your ass that's treated like that?

    and that's just the tip of the iceberg. i could give you plenty of examples of Israels cruel and inhumane treatment against ordinary palestinian people.

    cruel motherfuckers.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    ogre1213 wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    Israel tries to claim that virtually everything and everyone was an extension of Hamas and therefor a viable target so you can save the 'Israel doesn't kill innocent people' crap
    what are you talking about?!?!
    you're believing MORE of their lies ( http://www.takeapen.org/Takeapen/Templa ... 4&FID=1663 )
    so everything that anyone says that accuses Israel of anything illegal is just a lie that the Hamas propaganda machine has been spreading, do I have that right? It's amazing how Hamas, which doesn't even have enough money to rebuild structures destroyed by Israel since last year, or money for food, medicine, etc - somehow, this organization, Hamas, is able to run one of the most extensive propaganda outlets in the world. Tell me, is Richard Goldstone, who authored the Goldstone Report that showed war crimes committed by Israel, a member of Hamas? They must have employed him, since obviously Israel does not do anything wrong.
    think logically for a second, if israel actually tries to claim everything and everyone is an extension of hamas don't you think A LOT more people would have died.
    how many people have to die in order for you to believe that Israel did attack civilian areas knowing civilians would die? put a number on it, is it 500 or a 1000? 5000 or 100,000?
    considering the density of the population, and the well know fact that hamas was using civilians and civilian buildings as shields and places to launch rockets, i think Israel did a great job in protecting the palestinian civilians, listen its war, it sucks so much that innocent palestinian civilians died , its very unfortunate i agree , but to say Israel is intentionally targeting all palestinians including civilians is just not right
    Go read the UN Goldstone Report which outlines perfectly the fact that Israel intentionally targeted schools, homes, mosques, etc. Israel also attacked buildings owned by the UN which had no trace of Hamas whatsoever. You have no evidence to verify any of your claims, they are just lies.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ2nYZyNpcU
    Former British Army Colonel Richard Kemp discusses on BBC the Operation Cast Lead within Gaza. He speaks about the military challenges, IDF's conduct, the civilian casualties, and Hamas using the Gaza population as human shields. "I don't think that there has ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza" .
    This guy has never even been to Gaza, he has no idea what the fuck he's talking about. Go ask a child living in Gaza what he thinks. There had been countless reports of Israel using white phosphorus, of them killing civilians holding white flags, killing mothers, children, elderly - hundreds of civilians were killed in Gaza during just 3 weeks. You should feel ashamed of yourself for defending that, it's disgusting.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    ogre1213 wrote:
    occupying is such a strong word
    http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/167 ... nian-land/
    oh my god, hahaha, you're insane if you believe anything that article says. even Israeli historians are now dispelling the fake history Zionists have been spewing for decades. Go read Ilan Pappe or Benny Morris or something.
    _outlaw wrote:
    get its act together? what does that even mean? we're talking about people's lives here. Israel is allowed to keep killing these people from Gaza until Hamas 'gets its act together'?
    get its act together - as in:
    1. recognize the Jewish people have a right to the land of Israel
    2. denounce terror and violence
    3. stop targeting civilians and hiding behind civilians
    4. stop smuggling weapons into gaza
    5. stop lying and brainwashing people
    1. that is what you qualify as getting it's act together? that's just stupid. Jewish people DON'T have a right to the land of Israel and no one in their right mind will ever agree with that. You're telling me a Palestinian man whose family traces their roots back to Jaffa has no claim, while a Jewish boy whose family has never even set foot on Palestine can claim a right to Israel? That's the definition of unjust, of discrimination, and that is why Zionism is a racist and unjust ideology.
    2. right after Israel does.
    3. right after Israel does.
    4. right after Israel gives up its F-16s and nuclear missiles.
    5. right after Israel stops funding its billion dollar propaganda and lobbyist campaign in the US that forces Americans' complicity in supporting of the most brutal murderous regimes in the world.

    The Palestinians are the ones subject to occupation. They have no reason to give up resistance until Israel begins to treat them humanely.

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/970807.html

    Hamas has accepted the same thing everyone in the world is calling for - a two state solution. Why is it that Israel refuses to adhere to international law and cease settlement expansion? Why is it that Israel refuses to acknowledge the Palestinians' legal rights to a state? Instead, Israel has chosen war and occupation. If a few rockets are sent their way, they should not be complaining. Resistance is what comes with occupation. Ask the US how they're doing in Iraq or Afghanistan. We will never win those wars, just as Israel will never conquer the Palestinians, it's time to recognize that and begin seeking a proper peace among them. Otherwise, Israel's war and destruction may eventually just catch up with it.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    ogre1213 wrote:
    when hamas attacks, israel is targeting hamas

    Except you are fully aware that is a blatent lie.

    In the case of the attack on Gaza last year; Killing an estimated 800 civilians, and 250 police recruits doesn't constitute targeting Hamas.

    Just as killing 1000 Lebanese civilians in 2006 doesn't constitute targeting Hezbollah.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    ogre1213 wrote:
    1. recognize the Jewish people have a right to the land of Israel


    Care to eleborate?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    ogre1213 wrote:
    Israel is in an impossible situation of trying to eliminate their enemies who are targeting their civilians while keeping the innocent civilian population safe

    Is that how you justify this?:

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