THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES...

The Juggler

lukin2006 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Now do people in Philly expect reids job to in jeopardy if the finish below 500. Playoffs are questionable at this point...looks like only the division winner this year will get in, unless someone get on a roll, I'm not sure anyone in the nfc east is about to get on a roll...

absolutely. even his staunchest supporters are saying this now.

Eagles teams are usually strong second half teams...he might do enough to save his job.

they really haven't consistently been a 2nd half team since '04. last 2 years they completely fell apart down the stretch.

only twice in the last 7 years have they been a "2nd half team."
'08--but that was lead by jim johnson's defense.
'06--that was just a weird year with garcia at the helm.

reid's been here so long people just assume they are a 2nd half team. they're really not. all the players, and most of the coaches from those teams, aren't here anymore......just reid. :?

lukin2006

RW81233 wrote:

Eagles are having the same type of season as last year's Cowboys. QB questions (some love too much, some hate too much), Coach with job on the line, a Defense that has talent in most spots but is getting exposed for its weaknesses, terrible turnovers and an inability to scored TDs or make easy FGs (Beuhler!??!?!), terrible Penalties (yesterday vs. the Cowboy hold in Week 1 is pretty evenly crappy), and losing close games for no reason leads to a 1-4 start.

The similarities are uncanny aren't they. But now we've got a fresh start the red headed genius

RW81233

lukin2006 wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

Wade Phillips as Andy Reid's D-Coordinator would be a genius move tactically....you'd easily win 10+ games. However, if you want any sort of understanding about when to take time-outs, not use gimmick plays near the end zone (or run a gimmick offense for that matter), and when to throw the challenge flag this would be a failure.

Isn't he the D-Coordinator in Houston now? probably his last stop before retirement. As a D-Coordinator he's pretty good...not so much as a head coach.

Exactly the Cowboys main failing in the last 10 years was not having Sean Payton as head coach with Garrett and Phillips as Co-ordinators....would have been pretty bad ass. Anyway this is a Eagles thread...well actually a Philly sport thread can be anything.

The Fixer

lukin2006 wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

Wade Phillips as Andy Reid's D-Coordinator would be a genius move tactically....you'd easily win 10+ games. However, if you want any sort of understanding about when to take time-outs, not use gimmick plays near the end zone (or run a gimmick offense for that matter), and when to throw the challenge flag this would be a failure.

Isn't he the D-Coordinator in Houston now? probably his last stop before retirement. As a D-Coordinator he's pretty good...not so much as a head coach.

his system doesn't fit in philly either. they cant find 3 competent LBs, let alone 4

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Now do people in Philly expect reids job to in jeopardy if the finish below 500. Playoffs are questionable at this point...looks like only the division winner this year will get in, unless someone get on a roll, I'm not sure anyone in the nfc east is about to get on a roll...

absolutely. even his staunchest supporters are saying this now.

I'd let the year play out. I'd probably give him one more year (lot of new coaches and players this year).

I'm definitely in the minority though. something like 2% minority

this was literally your previous post:

The Fixer wrote:

I'm a bigger reid supporter than anyone and I'd fire him for vick.

:?

lukin2006

The Juggler wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

absolutely. even his staunchest supporters are saying this now.

Eagles teams are usually strong second half teams...he might do enough to save his job.

they really haven't consistently been a 2nd half team since '04. last 2 years they completely fell apart down the stretch.

only twice in the last 7 years have they been a "2nd half team."
'08--but that was lead by jim johnson's defense.
'06--that was just a weird year with garcia at the helm.

reid's been here so long people just assume they are a 2nd half team. they're really not. all the players, and most of the coaches from those teams, aren't here anymore......just reid. :?

oh...and when you have so many missed drafts it really hurts...under Jones we're pretty consistent at sucking at the draft...the one thing he is consistent at is having terrible drafts.

RW81233

The Fixer wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

Wade Phillips as Andy Reid's D-Coordinator would be a genius move tactically....you'd easily win 10+ games. However, if you want any sort of understanding about when to take time-outs, not use gimmick plays near the end zone (or run a gimmick offense for that matter), and when to throw the challenge flag this would be a failure.

Isn't he the D-Coordinator in Houston now? probably his last stop before retirement. As a D-Coordinator he's pretty good...not so much as a head coach.

his system doesn't fit in philly either. they cant find 3 competent LBs, let alone 4

hahaha true, but he'd probably at least be better than a QB Coach or whatever he was. My thinking is that that guy was supplying Andy's kids and the team with Vicodin, and he held Reid hostage on the job.

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

absolutely. even his staunchest supporters are saying this now.

I'd let the year play out. I'd probably give him one more year (lot of new coaches and players this year).

I'm definitely in the minority though. something like 2% minority

this was literally your previous post:

The Fixer wrote:

I'm a bigger reid supporter than anyone and I'd fire him for vick.

:?

what I meant was i'd fire him if he was taking vick with him

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

Wade Phillips as Andy Reid's D-Coordinator would be a genius move tactically....you'd easily win 10+ games. However, if you want any sort of understanding about when to take time-outs, not use gimmick plays near the end zone (or run a gimmick offense for that matter), and when to throw the challenge flag this would be a failure.

Isn't he the D-Coordinator in Houston now? probably his last stop before retirement. As a D-Coordinator he's pretty good...not so much as a head coach.

his system doesn't fit in philly either. they cant find 3 competent LBs, let alone 4

thing is, with andy reid, it's not about finding 3 competent lb's. it's that he doesn't think he needs them.

i'm assuming this season may change his mind though....then again, we thought that last year.

lukin2006

you can always hope you don't win another game and finish with worst record and draft andrew luck, but it looks like the colts will give you a run for the money on worst record.

The Juggler

lukin2006 wrote:

you can always hope you don't win another game and finish with worst record and draft andrew luck, but it looks like the colts will give you a run for the money on worst record.

they'll end up with 7 or 8 wins and miss the playoffs by a game. jeff lurie and joe banner will talk about how the team rallied at the end of the season, despite missing the playoffs and reid will be back. again.

then, about year from now, we'll be having about the same kind of conversation.



i was telling someone this yesterday. andy reid's decade and a half here can be summed up by these two words:

SUCCESSFUL FRUSTRATION.

The Fixer

lukin2006 wrote:

you can always hope you don't win another game and finish with worst record and draft andrew luck, but it looks like the colts will give you a run for the money on worst record.

I said before yesterday's game that vick breaking his leg theismann-style and a 1-15 season was my dream scenario

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

you can always hope you don't win another game and finish with worst record and draft andrew luck, but it looks like the colts will give you a run for the money on worst record.

they'll end up with 7 or 8 wins and miss the playoffs by a game. jeff lurie and joe banner will talk about how the team rallied at the end of the season, despite missing the playoffs and reid will be back. again.

then, about year from now, we'll be having about the same kind of conversation.



i was telling someone this yesterday. andy reid's decade and a half here can be summed up by these two words:

SUCCESSFUL FRUSTRATION.

that's a pretty apt description - although in the phils thread you agreed with the toronto dude that we are lucky to have 4 playoff teams in the city.

Phantom Pain

The Juggler wrote:

81 wrote:

Not many teams start 1-4 and make the playoffs....may i suggest the suck for luck mode for the remaining schedule

they don't need luck. they need a new coach, a new defensive coordinator, at least a couple new linebackers, a safety, and a couple offensive linemen (pretty much the same things they needed after last season).

at least the phillies have a world championship to show for their latest run. this eagles run has lasted a decade a half and has resulted in nothing but frustration.

this coaching staff has no idea what they are doing. no. idea.

Totally agree with this

If reid had one or two rings he gets a mulligan or two

Not now

jamminpearls

The Juggler wrote:

merrill's call of parker jumping offsides:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1wjCCU4 ... _embedded#!



how does that happen?

It happens because this team lacks smarts and discipline. Watching DRC watch the Wr run and not even make an effort to even run after him killed me. If any coach in this city needed to go ding ding ding it's Reid. It's not like they didn't know what Buffalo was gonna do. Yet Jackson killed us all game long. We can't tackle,block or even have the smarts to do shit right. When will these bad drafts end up getting the guy in charge fired? Between the Phillies and these guys my head can't take much more,thank god for hockey.

The Fixer

I don't think reid's drafts have been as bad as you guys are saying.

mccoy
maclin
deshawn jackson
trent cole
todd herremans
watkins/kelce (verdict still out, but I think they will both be solid)
patterson
avant
celek (who hasn't been the same player since he signed his contract...what happened to that guy? he moves like raul ibanez all of the sudden)

I don't like nate allen (too soft) and I said at the time they should have taken earl thomas over graham (but I don't think it's fair to grade that pick yet). His track record of drafting defensive players hasn't been great, but overall his drafts have been decent.

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

I don't think reid's drafts have been as bad as you guys are saying.

mccoy
maclin
deshawn jackson
trent cole
todd herremans
watkins/kelce (verdict still out, but I think they will both be solid)
patterson
avant
celek (who hasn't been the same player since he signed his contract...what happened to that guy? he moves like raul ibanez all of the sudden)
.

the problem is with the defense. of the two defensive guys you mentioned, cole is the only pro bowler. patterson's a decent starter but he's nothing special. they were both drafted... 6 years ago.

6 years is a lifetime in the national football league. there's no defending that draft record.

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

I don't think reid's drafts have been as bad as you guys are saying.

mccoy
maclin
deshawn jackson
trent cole
todd herremans
watkins/kelce (verdict still out, but I think they will both be solid)
patterson
avant
celek (who hasn't been the same player since he signed his contract...what happened to that guy? he moves like raul ibanez all of the sudden)
.

the problem is with the defense. of the two defensive guys you mentioned, cole is the only pro bowler. patterson's a decent starter but he's nothing special. they were both drafted... 6 years ago.

6 years is a lifetime in the national football league. there's no defending that draft record.

we've been through this before. how many of his defensive picks in the last 5 years have been top 3 picks?? not many.

compared to most other franchises in the NFL the eagles do a pretty good job with the draft. especially since they usually pick in the bottom third of each round (unless reid acquires extra picks which happens frequently).

the guy isn't perfect, but I think there are other things that should be scrutinized before his drafts

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

I don't think reid's drafts have been as bad as you guys are saying.

mccoy
maclin
deshawn jackson
trent cole
todd herremans
watkins/kelce (verdict still out, but I think they will both be solid)
patterson
avant
celek (who hasn't been the same player since he signed his contract...what happened to that guy? he moves like raul ibanez all of the sudden)
.

the problem is with the defense. of the two defensive guys you mentioned, cole is the only pro bowler. patterson's a decent starter but he's nothing special. they were both drafted... 6 years ago.

6 years is a lifetime in the national football league. there's no defending that draft record.

we've been through this before. how many of his defensive picks in the last 5 years have been top 3 picks?? not many.

compared to most other franchises in the NFL the eagles do a pretty good job with the draft. especially since they usually pick in the bottom third of each round (unless reid acquires extra picks which happens frequently).

the guy isn't perfect, but I think there are other things that should be scrutinized before his drafts

top 3 picks? you mean top 3 rounds? quite a few actually. go back and look at some of those names. they will make you puke. also, teams like the steelers do a pretty good job at replenishing their defense in the draft and they are in worse draft slots than the eagles just about every year. that's no excuse.

are you really going to try and defend the eagles defensive drafts after you could only name 2 decent picks since 2005? come on man...


like i said before this is an underlying issue that most fans don't think about too much, but it's become the downfall of this team in recent years.

Phantom Pain

Just to add to the not having a top pick it goes both ways

The Lions and crap teams have had the top picks for years and didn't draft well or win anything

The Patriots have managed to find good/great players while drafting low just about every year

Having a future HOF QB helps things but it doesn't mean you ignore positions like Reid has