That's because you choose not to. You can always turn a negative into a positve. Just an example: What about all the children that are being adopted from Hati ? If it weren't for that earthquake they would still be sitting there hopeless. Now thanks to the Dutch and us these kids will have a chance in life and not have live in poverty for the rest of their lives.
this does not answer my question. so a few hundred kids get adopted and taken away from their homeland...small amount of good i guess. but not the answer i was looking for.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
That's because you choose not to. You can always turn a negative into a positve. Just an example: What about all the children that are being adopted from Hati ? If it weren't for that earthquake they would still be sitting there hopeless. Now thanks to the Dutch and us these kids will have a chance in life and not have live in poverty for the rest of their lives.
this does not answer my question. so a few hundred kids get adopted and taken away from their homeland...small amount of good i guess. but not the answer i was looking for.
Sad to say it is not going to happen in an instant. I guess you want everything now.
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That's because you choose not to. You can always turn a negative into a positve. Just an example: What about all the children that are being adopted from Hati ? If it weren't for that earthquake they would still be sitting there hopeless. Now thanks to the Dutch and us these kids will have a chance in life and not have live in poverty for the rest of their lives.
this does not answer my question. so a few hundred kids get adopted and taken away from their homeland...small amount of good i guess. but not the answer i was looking for.
Man your a real peice of shit arent you. So I guess we should just leave them ther since there parents were just killed. Like I said it 's never enough no matter what we do.
Were you referring to the 2008 quake in China? The U.S. certainly offered aid to the Chinese. I cannot recall whether said offer was accepted, though.
That's exactly what I was going to say .The same with Iran also. You think that they are going let us. yeah right keep dreamin.
Iran is particularly dicey. Its not going to happen, even if American willingness was/is there. Politics should not trump humanitarian concerns, but they sometimes do.
i have never ever seen you criticize your country for anything it has ever done.
Do you only hear or read what you want to ? Did I not just explain myself in my last post ? Damn this shit gets old. I feel like Im talking to a wall somtimes around here. I could go into every one of those subjects and give you a reason,but this shit gets old after a while and you will just try and spin it anyway or put words in my mouth like you always do.
i have never ever seen you criticize your country for anything it has ever done. none of the international law and treaty violations, not the bullshit wars, not the suspension of habeas corpus and extraordinary rendition, nothing.. not once. instead you make excuses for things like the war in iraq and gitmo and abu ghraib, etc...
Why would I when it's our GOVERNMENT thats doing this not us.
That's because you choose not to. You can always turn a negative into a positve. Just an example: What about all the children that are being adopted from Hati ? If it weren't for that earthquake they would still be sitting there hopeless. Now thanks to the Dutch and us these kids will have a chance in life and not have live in poverty for the rest of their lives.
this does not answer my question. so a few hundred kids get adopted and taken away from their homeland...small amount of good i guess. but not the answer i was looking for.
Man your a real peice of shit arent you. So I guess we should just leave them ther since there parents were just killed. Like I said it 's never enough no matter what we do.
wow that's not name calling is it? :roll:
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
That's because you choose not to. You can always turn a negative into a positve. Just an example: What about all the children that are being adopted from Hati ? If it weren't for that earthquake they would still be sitting there hopeless. Now thanks to the Dutch and us these kids will have a chance in life and not have live in poverty for the rest of their lives.
this does not answer my question. so a few hundred kids get adopted and taken away from their homeland...small amount of good i guess. but not the answer i was looking for.
My example not good enought to discuss?
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Take a deep breath there cowboy, your emotions are overwhelming you. You're taking things way too personal on this board, crack a joke every once in awhile.
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That's because you choose not to. You can always turn a negative into a positve. Just an example: What about all the children that are being adopted from Hati ? If it weren't for that earthquake they would still be sitting there hopeless. Now thanks to the Dutch and us these kids will have a chance in life and not have live in poverty for the rest of their lives.
this does not answer my question. so a few hundred kids get adopted and taken away from their homeland...small amount of good i guess. but not the answer i was looking for.
My example not good enought to discuss?
what example is that? i'm still waiting for you to answer the question i posed to you.
i can only debate so many people at once. you answer my questions and i will reply to yours. deal?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Positive from a tragedy...Well the testing the Nazi's did on the Jewish people brought many medical advances. So there is a tragedy that all these people were tested on and killed but from there we have a lot of medical advances.
Here you go.
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i said you make yourself look like one when you see things in rose colored glasses and post about how great everything is...
I have started many threads on here. Most of them don't have to with the things you mentioned. Trust me Im the last one to see things in a rose tint with in our govt.
Positive from a tragedy...Well the testing the Nazi's did on the Jewish people brought many medical advances. So there is a tragedy that all these people were tested on and killed but from there we have a lot of medical advances.
Here you go.
i did not see this post so i apologize.
it depends on your ethics and morals. i disagree. my ethics tell me it is wrong to have used prisoners as subjects for medical experimentation. one can argue that yeah so one person endured a lot of pain or died as a result of the attempted advancement of science, but i do not see it like that. there is a reason that when you do research on human subjects the methods of the proposed experiment is thoroughly reviewed by the board of human subjects before the testing can begin, and each subject has to be told everything that can go wrong, bodily injury, death, etc. i do not see medical research gained by use of torture and prisoners as a good thing. i doubt many ethics professors would either unless they look at it like "whatever does the greatest good for the greatest number of people is ok", which is also a valid ethical argument.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
This one paragraph speaks volumes,
"Speaking on his weekly television show, (Hugo) Chavez opined that the U.S. mission in Haiti was a ruse to initiate military occupation. "I read that 3,000 soldiers are arriving, Marines armed as if they were going to war," Chavez said. "They are occupying Haiti undercover."
...
Consider the source.
End of debate.
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I'm saying the government doesn't have the money, not that our country doesn't. I am proud that our country will be the biggest private donors to Haiti. I am just lamenting the fact that the government doesn't have an extra $100 million and that they will therefore print the money which will further devalue the dollar. I heard today that we are projected to donate about $10 billion privately, which would be a few billion more than we gave to our own citizens for Katrina. America is the greatest force for good that the world has ever seen.
the government and the country having the money is the exact same thing. federal money is federal money...private donations are private donations...
america is the greatest force for good that the world has ever seen????
ahem, iraq...
cough...afghanistan
cough cough...gitmo torture...
hiroshima, nagasaki, tacit support of isreal,
raping the environment and polluting the environment,
etc, etc, etc...
I agree, but considering how much Americans give to charity individually and leaving gov't out of the picture, we are quite generous. But to say that America is the "greatest force of good"? That's laughable.
Then who is the "Greatest Force of Good". Can there be such a title?
Then who is the "Greatest Force of Good". Can there be such a title?
the Superfriends??
seriously diplomacy and human decency should not be a competition or worthy of titles like "greatest force of good"...
You need to relax, that was a rhetorical question.
i AM relaxed. to answer your rhetorical question, no there can be no such title. its too subjective, like"world's greatest dad". one man's "greatest force for good" is another man's "great satan"...why is it so important to have some sort of title to validate the good work the people of america are doing?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i AM relaxed. to answer your rhetorical question, no there can be no such title. its too subjective, like"world's greatest dad". one man's "greatest force for good" is another man's "great satan"...why is it so important to have some sort of title to validate the good work the people of america are doing?
Listen bro, it isn't that anybody has a prob with the American peopl, it's the gov they have a prob with. This gov won't do anything without getting something out of it. Nothing is free in this world, everything has a price. Look at how all the big names in the world- the ex-presidents, Clinton, bush, and even Obama. They all say dnt donate blankets, water, food, medicine, they say just GIVE MONEY. People need to read between the linesvand find out why it's donate money not goods. Theyres reasons why, u just need to investigate more and read between the lines.
I don't think the US government is getting anything out of this. We are there because its our obligation. If the US didn't get involved, there would be a couple of threads on this board about it. It doesn't matter what the US does, there is always some one there to poke Uncle Same in the eye.
Some of you are paranoid. The US government isn't out to get you or take advantage of 3rd world countries for their gain. I know the US hasn't always made the right choice and has done some pretty bad things in the past, but the bottom line is there is no agenda to enslave the free world, the government is employed by people like you and me, who don't have malicious intentions.
I know no one will listen......none of this will sink in, its like talking to a brick wall. This board is anything but balanced.
I don't think the US government is getting anything out of this. We are there because its our obligation. If the US didn't get involved, there would be a couple of threads on this board about it. It doesn't matter what the US does, there is always some one there to poke Uncle Same in the eye.
Some of you are paranoid. The US government isn't out to get you or take advantage of 3rd world countries for their gain. I know the US hasn't always made the right choice and has done some pretty bad things in the past, but the bottom line is there is no agenda to enslave the free world, the government is employed by people like you and me, who don't have malicious intentions.
I know no one will listen......none of this will sink in, its like talking to a brick wall. This board is anything but balanced.
This one paragraph speaks volumes,
"Speaking on his weekly television show, (Hugo) Chavez opined that the U.S. mission in Haiti was a ruse to initiate military occupation. "I read that 3,000 soldiers are arriving, Marines armed as if they were going to war," Chavez said. "They are occupying Haiti undercover."
...
Consider the source.
End of debate.
"the government and the country having the money is the exact same thing. federal money is federal money...private donations are private donations..."
I disagree. There is no such thing as "federal money", it's OUR money that they have confiscated from us, albeit legally via the tax code. Saying that the federal government has its own money is like saying that corporations pay taxes on their profits. They don't. Corporations are made up of people who own them, the people pay the taxes.
"america is the greatest force for good that the world has ever seen????"
Well, who else is, China?
"ahem, iraq..." Troops leaving this year, 25 million people free to determine their own destiny
"cough...afghanistan" Tremendous advances in rights for women (going to school, for example)
"cough cough...gitmo torture..." I don't have a problem with ANYTHING we did at Gitmo. It should be left open.
"hiroshima, nagasaki," 200,000 dies from the bombs, many military historians believe that an amphibious assault on Japan would have produced casualties of over 1 million US troops alone, add that to the number of Japanese that would surely have died...
"tacit support of isreal," you mean, until Iraq, the only democracy in the middle east? The country that gets bombarded by missiles on a daily basis and then bashed by the world if they retaliate? Yeah, I feel bad that we support them...
"raping the environment and polluting the environment," I don't even know where to start on this one. Do you remember what the air looked like at the Beijing Olympics? People wearing masks?
Lets not even talk about how there is only a South Korea today because of America. We fought not one but two wars to save Europe, which is free today, not ruled by Germany. How about our response to the Tsunami a few years ago in Indonesia? We sent the military with supplies. Every time the world needs us, we are there. No country is perfect and America has made its mistakes (Vietnam comes to mind quickly) but I don't know how you could argue that overall the world is one hell of a lot better off with America than it would be otherwise.
Positive from a tragedy...Well the testing the Nazi's did on the Jewish people brought many medical advances. So there is a tragedy that all these people were tested on and killed but from there we have a lot of medical advances.
Here you go.
i did not see this post so i apologize.
it depends on your ethics and morals. i disagree. my ethics tell me it is wrong to have used prisoners as subjects for medical experimentation. one can argue that yeah so one person endured a lot of pain or died as a result of the attempted advancement of science, but i do not see it like that. there is a reason that when you do research on human subjects the methods of the proposed experiment is thoroughly reviewed by the board of human subjects before the testing can begin, and each subject has to be told everything that can go wrong, bodily injury, death, etc. i do not see medical research gained by use of torture and prisoners as a good thing. i doubt many ethics professors would either unless they look at it like "whatever does the greatest good for the greatest number of people is ok", which is also a valid ethical argument.
I don't think anybody is seeing these things as "right" just because something good come out of it. It's still wrong with some pros at the end.
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Sad to say it is not going to happen in an instant. I guess you want everything now.
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Were you referring to the 2008 quake in China? The U.S. certainly offered aid to the Chinese. I cannot recall whether said offer was accepted, though.
Man your a real peice of shit arent you. So I guess we should just leave them ther since there parents were just killed. Like I said it 's never enough no matter what we do.
That's exactly what I was going to say .The same with Iran also. You think that they are going let us.
Iran is particularly dicey. Its not going to happen, even if American willingness was/is there. Politics should not trump humanitarian concerns, but they sometimes do.
Oh really ?? :roll: :roll: That's the funniest thing ive read all week on here.
Do you only hear or read what you want to ? Did I not just explain myself in my last post ? Damn this shit gets old. I feel like Im talking to a wall somtimes around here. I could go into every one of those subjects and give you a reason,but this shit gets old after a while and you will just try and spin it anyway or put words in my mouth like you always do.
Why would I when it's our GOVERNMENT thats doing this not us.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
My example not good enought to discuss?
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Take a deep breath there cowboy, your emotions are overwhelming you. You're taking things way too personal on this board, crack a joke every once in awhile.
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i can only debate so many people at once. you answer my questions and i will reply to yours. deal?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Here you go.
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I have started many threads on here. Most of them don't have to with the things you mentioned. Trust me Im the last one to see things in a rose tint with in our govt.
it depends on your ethics and morals. i disagree. my ethics tell me it is wrong to have used prisoners as subjects for medical experimentation. one can argue that yeah so one person endured a lot of pain or died as a result of the attempted advancement of science, but i do not see it like that. there is a reason that when you do research on human subjects the methods of the proposed experiment is thoroughly reviewed by the board of human subjects before the testing can begin, and each subject has to be told everything that can go wrong, bodily injury, death, etc. i do not see medical research gained by use of torture and prisoners as a good thing. i doubt many ethics professors would either unless they look at it like "whatever does the greatest good for the greatest number of people is ok", which is also a valid ethical argument.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Speaking on his weekly television show, (Hugo) Chavez opined that the U.S. mission in Haiti was a ruse to initiate military occupation. "I read that 3,000 soldiers are arriving, Marines armed as if they were going to war," Chavez said. "They are occupying Haiti undercover."
...
Consider the source.
End of debate.
Hail, Hail!!!
Then who is the "Greatest Force of Good". Can there be such a title?
seriously diplomacy and human decency should not be a competition or worthy of titles like "greatest force of good"...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You need to relax, that was a rhetorical question.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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Some of you are paranoid. The US government isn't out to get you or take advantage of 3rd world countries for their gain. I know the US hasn't always made the right choice and has done some pretty bad things in the past, but the bottom line is there is no agenda to enslave the free world, the government is employed by people like you and me, who don't have malicious intentions.
I know no one will listen......none of this will sink in, its like talking to a brick wall. This board is anything but balanced.
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Godfather.
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I disagree. There is no such thing as "federal money", it's OUR money that they have confiscated from us, albeit legally via the tax code. Saying that the federal government has its own money is like saying that corporations pay taxes on their profits. They don't. Corporations are made up of people who own them, the people pay the taxes.
"america is the greatest force for good that the world has ever seen????"
Well, who else is, China?
"ahem, iraq..." Troops leaving this year, 25 million people free to determine their own destiny
"cough...afghanistan" Tremendous advances in rights for women (going to school, for example)
"cough cough...gitmo torture..." I don't have a problem with ANYTHING we did at Gitmo. It should be left open.
"hiroshima, nagasaki," 200,000 dies from the bombs, many military historians believe that an amphibious assault on Japan would have produced casualties of over 1 million US troops alone, add that to the number of Japanese that would surely have died...
"tacit support of isreal," you mean, until Iraq, the only democracy in the middle east? The country that gets bombarded by missiles on a daily basis and then bashed by the world if they retaliate? Yeah, I feel bad that we support them...
"raping the environment and polluting the environment," I don't even know where to start on this one. Do you remember what the air looked like at the Beijing Olympics? People wearing masks?
Lets not even talk about how there is only a South Korea today because of America. We fought not one but two wars to save Europe, which is free today, not ruled by Germany. How about our response to the Tsunami a few years ago in Indonesia? We sent the military with supplies. Every time the world needs us, we are there. No country is perfect and America has made its mistakes (Vietnam comes to mind quickly) but I don't know how you could argue that overall the world is one hell of a lot better off with America than it would be otherwise.
I don't think anybody is seeing these things as "right" just because something good come out of it. It's still wrong with some pros at the end.
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