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morgie2morgie2 Posts: 1,065
edited August 2008 in The Porch
I love this song EXCEPT what the hell were our boys thinking with "Drowned you are,
you are, you are a furry thing And everything is you
Me you, you me, it's all related" ?

Anybody else think this sounds weird?
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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    I will stick by my belief:

    I don't care what lyrics have been inserted into the booklet or how they appear on various lyrics sites. There is absolutely NO way its "a furry thing". It's an awesome play on words:

    You are you are everything
    and everything is you

    There's no way the real lyrics are "furry thing". It makes no sense and would be ridiculously cheesy by PJ's standards, let alone any band's standards. I think "furry thing" was meant as a joke because of how Ed pronounces it. Kind of like "Breakerfall" = "Break Her Fall", etc.

    If you take it as "You are everything and everything is you" the whole wordplay makes sense and no-one can convince me otherwise.

    Sorry for the rant. It just really bugs me when people insist on the whole "furry thing" lyric.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    I completely agree with the above statement. I never thought it was "a furry thing"

    I believe it is "ev-ery-thing"
  • smile05smile05 Posts: 600
    it's one song were i couldnt give a fuck what the lyrics are, espically when it sounds this good.
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  • PissBottleManPissBottleMan Union City, TN Posts: 4,155
    BinFrog wrote:
    "furry thing"

    With respect to your opinion, the line stays in context with the theme of the album and the sentiments reflected in Ishmael.

    I absolutely agree that it could be a word play, but in this instance, I believe he says, "Furry Thing".

    Cheers,

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  • jked3jked3 Posts: 171
    BinFrog wrote:
    I will stick by my belief:

    I don't care what lyrics have been inserted into the booklet or how they appear on various lyrics sites. There is absolutely NO way its "a furry thing". It's an awesome play on words:

    You are you are everything
    and everything is you

    There's no way the real lyrics are "furry thing". It makes no sense and would be ridiculously cheesy by PJ's standards, let alone any band's standards. I think "furry thing" was meant as a joke because of how Ed pronounces it. Kind of like "Breakerfall" = "Break Her Fall", etc.

    If you take it as "You are everything and everything is you" the whole wordplay makes sense and no-one can convince me otherwise.

    Sorry for the rant. It just really bugs me when people insist on the whole "furry thing" lyric.

    Agreed
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  • morgie2morgie2 Posts: 1,065
    BinFrog wrote:
    I will stick by my belief:

    I don't care what lyrics have been inserted into the booklet or how they appear on various lyrics sites. There is absolutely NO way its "a furry thing". It's an awesome play on words:

    You are you are everything
    and everything is you

    There's no way the real lyrics are "furry thing". It makes no sense and would be ridiculously cheesy by PJ's standards, let alone any band's standards. I think "furry thing" was meant as a joke because of how Ed pronounces it. Kind of like "Breakerfall" = "Break Her Fall", etc.

    If you take it as "You are everything and everything is you" the whole wordplay makes sense and no-one can convince me otherwise.

    Sorry for the rant. It just really bugs me when people insist on the whole "furry thing" lyric.

    Ok, I see what you're saying. Thanks.
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  • gettingrightgettingright Posts: 550
    perhaps the furry thing is referring to a telepathically communicating gorilla...

    edit...as pissbottleman has referred to above
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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    PissBottleMan wrote:
    With respect to your opinion, the line stays in context with the theme of the album and the sentiments reflected in Ishmael.

    I absolutely agree that it could be a word play, but in this instance, I believe he says, "Furry Thing".

    Cheers,

    PBM


    While I have heard that argument too, I still disagree. Just because Ishmael is about a gorilla, does not mean Faithful refers to a "furry thing". I can see themes in Ishmael that coincide with Yield. That I agree with, and Ed has mentioned that he was a big fan of the book around that time.
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  • PissBottleManPissBottleMan Union City, TN Posts: 4,155
    M.Y.T.H. is
    Belief in the game controls that keeps us in a box of fear
    We never listen
    Voice inside so drowned out
    Drowned you are, you are, you are a furry thing
    And everything is you
    Me you, you me, it's all related

    To me, this challenges the idea of faith. When you boil it all down, we are all one in the same...in the game scheme of life, it's all relative.

    PBM
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    BinFrog wrote:
    While I have heard that argument too, I still disagree. Just because Ishmael is about a gorilla, does not mean Faithful refers to a "furry thing". I can see themes in Ishmael that coincide with Yield. That I agree with, and Ed has mentioned that he was a big fan of the book around that time.

    Ed was more than a "big fan."

    He's suggested that the text of Ishmael could be the complete liner notes for "Yield."

    I understand where you are coming from. There are examples of Ed intentionally writing the "wrong" lyrics in liner notes ("get out of my lucky face.")

    The difference here is that, not only does Ed write "a furry thing" in the liner notes ... he sings "a furry thing" on the record. I mean, listen to it. He isn't singing "everything" there.
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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Ed was more than a "big fan."

    He's suggested that the text of Ishmael could be the complete liner notes for "Yield."

    I understand where you are coming from. There are examples of Ed intentionally writing the "wrong" lyrics in liner notes ("get out of my lucky face.")

    The difference here is that, not only does Ed write "a furry thing" in the liner notes ... he sings "a furry thing" on the record. I mean, listen to it. He isn't singing "everything" there.


    I still disagree


    "e-ver-y-thing"
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  • jonbond1779jonbond1779 London, UK Posts: 1,641
    Furry Thing !!!! Lmfao


    Hahahahah
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  • falconfalcon Posts: 163
    Definitely "every thing".

    It's a great line.
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  • faithful2youfaithful2you Madison, WI Posts: 779
    I'm going with PBM on this one.
    My wife and I were just talking about this the other day. I called her a furry thing.
    Great ending lyrics to a great song IMO
    Like a word misplaced...nothing said...what a waste
  • GmoneyGmoney Posts: 1,618
    gettingright wrote:
    perhaps the furry thing is referring to a telepathically communicating gorilla...

    edit...as pissbottleman has referred to above
    yep, that's it. I believe this entire song is referencing Ishmael.
    Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
  • vedderfan10vedderfan10 Posts: 2,497
    PissBottleMan wrote:
    M.Y.T.H. is
    Belief in the game controls that keeps us in a box of fear
    We never listen
    Voice inside so drowned out
    Drowned you are, you are, you are a furry thing
    And everything is you
    Me you, you me, it's all related

    To me, this challenges the idea of faith. When you boil it all down, we are all one in the same...in the game scheme of life, it's all relative.

    PBM

    I think it challenges the existence of a higher being in that bible is a myth (lie) and that people live their lives according to it and fear the wrath of "god" while our inner voice (nature) is muted by the fear of not following the bible - the furry thing (Ismael) advocates this...and of course how can man survive without gorilla - it's all related (it's evolution, baby!)

    I also think there is a great deal of sarcasm in this song. It's not so much about believing in god...it's more Why do you believe in god when a lot of the "teachings" go against nature??
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  • STT757STT757 Posts: 302
    Song in question:

    Faithful

    Lyric in question:

    furry thing

    Answer:

    It's about Man's best friend, his dog.

    Just a guess
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  • Tremor AndronicusTremor Andronicus Posts: 34
    morgie2 wrote:
    I love this song EXCEPT what the hell were our boys thinking with "Drowned you are,
    you are, you are a furry thing And everything is you
    Me you, you me, it's all related" ?

    Anybody else think this sounds weird?

    The song is a direct connection not to Ismeal but actually to Vonnegut's tome Galapagos.

    During the making of Yield, Eddie said, in that year's ten club magazine, that he finally got to see Vonnegut read live.

    Galapagos has to do with evolution from human to seal (and parting from religion in a sense).

    cheers!

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  • mr gremmiemr gremmie Posts: 8
    if I remember right the myth is that the world is 'ours'
    and we are mistaken, misguided, faithfully believing we are better than/other than furry things...
    I took the lyric not to mean Ishmael the gorrilla, but the listener of the song

    I am proud to be a furry thing (as well as everything)
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    BinFrog wrote:
    I still disagree


    "e-ver-y-thing"

    I'm just not hearing it, on the studio version. If so, ed has REALLY gone out of his way to make "everything" sound like "furry thing" ... To me, if it says "furry thing" and it sounds like "furry thing," well ...

    I could claim Ed is really singing "do the apple-lution," but just making is *sound* like "evolution." Doesn't make it true ...

    What I will concede is this:

    Ed has a history of writing lyrics that could be sung in different ways -- "violins" vs. "violence" in Daughter, "innocents" vs. "innocence" in I Am Mine.

    That could be what he's doing here. But on the studio version of this song ... it sure sounds like "furry thing" to me ...
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    falcon wrote:
    Definitely "every thing".

    It's a great line.
    I believe its been proven to be "a furry thing" but believe what you want. Thats your personal interpretation, not Ed's. Ed does that stuff purposely so we can take the context into our own interpretation.

    But who am I to say. I got into an argument with Ed here over his own lyrics to Unemployable.. See the Letterman Webcast. Speech right before Present Tense. I was one of a few who thought it was "scared of life". :ohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwamCGQU7_s
  • loveboat captainloveboat captain Posts: 125
    you are everything and everything is you...
    me you, you me IT'S ALL RELATED

    this is what I'm going with....note the capitalized portion, which, to me, explains the first line.
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  • tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    fur·ry Audio Help /ˈfɜri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fur-ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
    –adjective, fur·ri·er, fur·ri·est. 1. consisting of or resembling fur: a deep, furry rug in front of the fireplace; the furry undergrowth of the forest.
    2. covered with fur; wearing fur: Many furry animals are in danger of becoming extinct.
    3. obstructed or coated as if with fur: a furry voice; a furry tongue.
    4. Slang. terrifying; hair-raising.

    Just a guess, but it's probably a bad guess.
  • vedderfan10vedderfan10 Posts: 2,497
    Aren't we all furry....or at least a little furry?

    And Furries are those people who like to dress up as animals (mascots) and have sex with each other, right? Thank goodness the only mascot I ever had to be was a helicopter (but it was a furry thing)...

    Furry thing = everything
    Elephant Juice = I love you
    Vacuum = ?

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  • CitizenRickCitizenRick Posts: 1,079
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I believe its been proven to be "a furry thing" but believe what you want. Thats your personal interpretation, not Ed's. Ed does that stuff purposely so we can take the context into our own interpretation.

    But who am I to say. I got into an argument with Ed here over his own lyrics to Unemployable.. See the Letterman Webcast. Speech right before Present Tense. I was one of a few who thought it was "scared of life". :ohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwamCGQU7_s

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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    CitizenRick wrote:
    That was you! What was his username?
    lol, I don't remember and I can't for the life of me find the thread.. It wasn't only me. There were a few of us. It was much like this thread.
  • DiRtyFranK38DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
    i think it's you are ev - er- y - thing and everything is you
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  • SpeakersSpeakers Posts: 252
    loveboat captain wrote:
    you are everything and everything is you...
    me you, you me IT'S ALL RELATED

    this is what I'm going with....note the capitalized portion, which, to me, explains the first line.


    Ha, I've been going back and forth as I go through the thread probably 4 or 5 times. I always thought it was furry too for Ishmael. But now I have switched over. Any other arguments to convince me otherwise? This argument wins in 5..4..3..2..1...
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    SOLAT319 wrote:
    That makes me curious now. How do you know it was him? I mean maybe it was someone from the band's camp but they just relayed the information to him so he talked about it at the Letterman show.
    Possibly. Maybe it was Mike. I'm pretty positive it has been confirmed by Kat that he posts here.. Either way.. maybe I was arguing with Michael muthafucking McCready! :D
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    SOLAT319 wrote:
    hey, I just re-read my post and realized I sounded a little douchy. Sorry about that. Didn't mean to imply you were lying or anything. I just can't picture him sitting in front of the computer and posting stuff. Micheal Muthafucking McCready on the other hand, I bet he's all 12 finger fast typer and shit checking out how many praises he received each day on the PIT :D
    Yeah, but we don't know Eddie too well. I'm sure he doesn't spend much time on the computer, but I'm sure he's curious as to what the diehards of his writings think every now and then.
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