You do realize NAWLINS doesn't let anyone with a regular ticket get closer to the rail, right?
but for $45 for a single day ticket- you can't beat that
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You do realize NAWLINS doesn't let anyone with a regular ticket get closer to the rail, right?
yes.
:?:
so what exactly does a $40 tkt get you?
never been to jazz fest but always heard amazn things
quite a range in the tix offered ($900, $600, $400 and $40)
pretty pricey on the high end
it gets you in, but not up close. there's some VIP/gold circle packages if you want to be up on the rail. and yes, the 'high end' is what gets you up there. i don't think i could handle having to duke it out all day at a festival to keep a rail spot, so the VIPs who want to shell out $$$ can have the easy access to it. well, i don't plan on going in any case :P...but just sayin', if i did.... to me, a festival.....it would be more relaxed/chill, and move about a lot more, and definitely would not expect to be close b/c there's no way in hell i would pay $600 for the privilege of access to the front.
You do realize NAWLINS doesn't let anyone with a regular ticket get closer to the rail, right?
so what exactly does a $40 tkt get you?
never been to jazz fest but always heard amazn things
quite a range in the tix offered ($900, $600, $400 and $40)
pretty pricey on the high end
it gets you in, but not up close. there's some VIP/gold circle packages if you want to be up on the rail. and yes, the 'high end' is what gets you up there. i don't think i could handle having to duke it out all day at a festival to keep a rail spot, so the VIPs who want to shell out $$$ can have the easy access to it. well, i don't plan on going in any case :P...but just sayin', if i did.... to me, a festival.....it would be more relaxed/chill, and move about a lot more, and definitely would not expect to be close b/c there's no way in hell i would pay $600 for the privilege of access to the front.
Wow, is that true? I didn't realize that. That is pretty lame, Pearl Jam playing for the $600-paying golden circle crowd. Just sayin...
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You do realize NAWLINS doesn't let anyone with a regular ticket get closer to the rail, right?
so what exactly does a $40 tkt get you?
never been to jazz fest but always heard amazn things
quite a range in the tix offered ($900, $600, $400 and $40)
pretty pricey on the high end
it gets you in, but not up close. there's some VIP/gold circle packages if you want to be up on the rail. and yes, the 'high end' is what gets you up there. i don't think i could handle having to duke it out all day at a festival to keep a rail spot, so the VIPs who want to shell out $$$ can have the easy access to it. well, i don't plan on going in any case :P...but just sayin', if i did.... to me, a festival.....it would be more relaxed/chill, and move about a lot more, and definitely would not expect to be close b/c there's no way in hell i would pay $600 for the privilege of access to the front.
Wow, is that true? I didn't realize that. That is pretty lame, Pearl Jam playing for the $600-paying golden circle crowd. Just sayin...
that's on jazzfest, not pj.
just sayin'.
i read jazzfest did it last year and decided to do so again this year. pj is just playing, not setting the parameters. that's up to the festival.
also, i do believe the $600 pricetag is for the whole weekend, not one day...so not comparable to the $40, at all. that $40 has to be quadrupled to compare. and sure, still, $600 in comparison to $160 is still a huge jump....but it's not $600 compared to $40. just to clarify.
Just curious, do you think that this is a new thing that Jazz fest just installed for PJ? PJ wants to play this festival, this is one of the conditions Jazz Fest puts forth. I guess they could just not play it though.
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$600 a ticket?!?! WTF?!?! what kind of elitist douchebaggery is this?!?!
corporate fuck bags get out of my fucking faaaaaaaaaaace!!!!!!!!
ahhhh.....give me the days when the band spit on shit like that!
If I was a jazz fan, I'd be pissed that they would charge $600 for a ticket to a jazz festival where a fucking grunge band was the headliner. The same way I'd be pissed if a jazz band headlined Lollapalooza and tickets cost hundreds of dollars for it.
I remember Ed denouncing Woodstock '99 in an old Tenclub Newsletter because of how corporate it was. What a fucking hypocrite.
$600 a ticket?!?! WTF?!?! what kind of elitist douchebaggery is this?!?!
corporate fuck bags get out of my fucking faaaaaaaaaaace!!!!!!!!
ahhhh.....give me the days when the band spit on shit like that!
"yesterdays how quick they change .. all lost and long gone now .. " I say we all head to Sunnyvale trailer park and smoke some bongs, pet some kitties and just watch 2b2k really loud;) I'll even make some authentic Cajun cuisine so we don't feel like we are missing out
$600 a ticket?!?! WTF?!?! what kind of elitist douchebaggery is this?!?!
corporate fuck bags get out of my fucking faaaaaaaaaaace!!!!!!!!
ahhhh.....give me the days when the band spit on shit like that!
"yesterdays how quick they change .. all lost and long gone now .. " I say we all head to Sunnyvale trailer park and smoke some bongs, pet some kitties and just watch 2b2k really loud;) I'll even make some authentic Cajun cuisine so we don't feel like we are missing out
sounds fuck'n awesome...i got some good dope and chicken fingers and we'll get drunk as fuck!
$600 a ticket?!?! WTF?!?! what kind of elitist douchebaggery is this?!?!
corporate fuck bags get out of my fucking faaaaaaaaaaace!!!!!!!!
ahhhh.....give me the days when the band spit on shit like that!
If I was a jazz fan, I'd be pissed that they would charge $600 for a ticket to a jazz festival where a fucking grunge band was the headliner. The same way I'd be pissed if a jazz band headlined Lollapalooza and tickets cost hundreds of dollars for it.
I remember Ed denouncing Woodstock '99 in an old Tenclub Newsletter because of how corporate it was. What a fucking hypocrite.
I guess some people like Ed become Conservative as they age, as well as conforming... :roll:
I thought the same thing though. If I were a hard-core jazz fan, I would not like the fact that the jazz fest is turning into a rock fest.
not sure why everyone is pissed about the special tickets. bonnaroo sells VIP tickets as well.
good call- but at Roo, you have a pretty good chance to be up on the rail
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so what exactly does a $40 tkt get you?
never been to jazz fest but always heard amazn things
quite a range in the tix offered ($900, $600, $400 and $40)
pretty pricey on the high end
also, i do believe the $600 pricetag is for the whole weekend, not one day...so not comparable to the $40, at all. that $40 has to be quadrupled to compare. and sure, still, $600 in comparison to $160 is still a huge jump....but it's not $600 compared to $40. just to clarify.[/quote]
yes the pricier options were for 4 days (sorry to rile anyone up, to me wasnt must difference when lowest vip $ is still 60% higher a day) i'm totally stoked on going and dont need to be at the rail (tk you oz!!) but just how far will we be and do i need to worry cheap tix will sell out? tks for any advice
not sure why everyone is pissed about the special tickets. bonnaroo sells VIP tickets as well.
4 different vip options tho? (never done the roo either)
I went VIP to Bonnaroo in 08. it was $625. The perks were well worth the ticket price. VIP had its own private camping area literally a 3 minute walk to the festival grounds. The best part was the VIPs had their own private entrance into Centeroo...no lines no secruity hassles. you could get to the main stage from my campsite in roughly 5 mins. this is compared to some people who had to walk up to 1 hour just to get to Centeroo.
Other perks were: private VIP party on thursday night with an open bar and private performance. Three meals/day....(although the food wasnt anything special) VIP only bathroom/shower facilities that were air conditioned and always clean and tidy. Free Bonnaroo poster and Tshirt...free "Best of Roo 08" DVD.
it was well worth the money and if i ever went back to Bonnaroo i would go VIP without hesistation.
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not sure why everyone is pissed about the special tickets. bonnaroo sells VIP tickets as well.
some people just like to get pissed, and i don't mean drunk.
given that it is entirely out of pj's hands, they have nada to do with it....yea, i don't get it. sure, they don't have to play the fest, but maybe they want to? such is life.
so we've got today or tomorrow, see if the OP was right, or if we have to wait until january. i DO hope we get an announcement by january or february - be great to have more shows, know about em, plan for em...and yes, 10c ticket sales before march 1st please and thank you.
the $600 ticket is good for 4 days...$150 per day is below-average in terms of festival "VIP" tickets.
The high-priced tickets help keep the regular ticket prices low.
good point! :thumbup:
and yes, i had said it was for all 4 days, not just one...and here too you're right. i think we paid close to that for the rock the bells festival a few years ago, and we were only going to see rage against the machine. it was well worth it tho!
cjm.....saturday doesn't count. have we ever gotten an announcement on a weekend? first time for everything of course, but 10c does usually keep to weekdays, and i thank them for that.
not sure why everyone is pissed about the special tickets. bonnaroo sells VIP tickets as well.
4 different vip options tho? (never done the roo either)
I went VIP to Bonnaroo in 08. it was $625. The perks were well worth the ticket price. VIP had its own private camping area literally a 3 minute walk to the festival grounds. The best part was the VIPs had their own private entrance into Centeroo...no lines no secruity hassles. you could get to the main stage from my campsite in roughly 5 mins. this is compared to some people who had to walk up to 1 hour just to get to Centeroo.
Other perks were: private VIP party on thursday night with an open bar and private performance. Three meals/day....(although the food wasnt anything special) VIP only bathroom/shower facilities that were air conditioned and always clean and tidy. Free Bonnaroo poster and Tshirt...free "Best of Roo 08" DVD.
it was well worth the money and if i ever went back to Bonnaroo i would go VIP without hesistation.
Yes, but at Roo that $625 also included camping- which, yes, I agree, it was a great price. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the VIP for JazzFest (or regualr ticket) does not include camping. I can aonlt assume that since it's in NO, there is in camping
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yes the pricier options were for 4 days (sorry to rile anyone up, to me wasnt must difference when lowest vip $ is still 60% higher a day) i'm totally stoked on going and dont need to be at the rail (tk you oz!!) but just how far will we be and do i need to worry cheap tix will sell out? tks for any advice
I'm not sure how close you will get sinc eI've never been, but a number of people have said that it has never sold out so it shouldn't be a problem waiting I'd imagine
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Joe2468 or CJMST3K, or anyone.............Hearing anything?
The only info I am privy to is regarding "Gardening". I've not heard of any differences from my original thread, so I am hoping those "seeds are growing", so to speak.
This talk about "US dates" being announced this week is strictly from Joe's thread that it is coming this week. I have no knowledge about it.
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*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
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2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II
it gets you in, but not up close. there's some VIP/gold circle packages if you want to be up on the rail. and yes, the 'high end' is what gets you up there. i don't think i could handle having to duke it out all day at a festival to keep a rail spot, so the VIPs who want to shell out $$$ can have the easy access to it. well, i don't plan on going in any case :P...but just sayin', if i did....
Let's just breathe...
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Wow, is that true? I didn't realize that. That is pretty lame, Pearl Jam playing for the $600-paying golden circle crowd. Just sayin...
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...and a ton of that $600 golden circle ticket price is going to pay them, so, PJ is kinda to blame.
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*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
that's on jazzfest, not pj.
just sayin'.
i read jazzfest did it last year and decided to do so again this year. pj is just playing, not setting the parameters. that's up to the festival.
also, i do believe the $600 pricetag is for the whole weekend, not one day...so not comparable to the $40, at all. that $40 has to be quadrupled to compare. and sure, still, $600 in comparison to $160 is still a huge jump....but it's not $600 compared to $40. just to clarify.
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corporate fuck bags get out of my fucking faaaaaaaaaaace!!!!!!!!
ahhhh.....give me the days when the band spit on shit like that!
Let's just breathe...
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indeed!
13,742 views for this thread. I wanna see "dates", not "date".
and actually, I'd also count Saturday, so 3 days.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
yeah........hold your breath and you'll look like this.
which i guess isn't too bad.
If I was a jazz fan, I'd be pissed that they would charge $600 for a ticket to a jazz festival where a fucking grunge band was the headliner. The same way I'd be pissed if a jazz band headlined Lollapalooza and tickets cost hundreds of dollars for it.
I remember Ed denouncing Woodstock '99 in an old Tenclub Newsletter because of how corporate it was. What a fucking hypocrite.
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"yesterdays how quick they change .. all lost and long gone now .. " I say we all head to Sunnyvale trailer park and smoke some bongs, pet some kitties and just watch 2b2k really loud;) I'll even make some authentic Cajun cuisine so we don't feel like we are missing out
sounds fuck'n awesome...i got some good dope and chicken fingers and we'll get drunk as fuck!
I didn't know smurf's could grow that tall! :shock:
I thought the same thing though. If I were a hard-core jazz fan, I would not like the fact that the jazz fest is turning into a rock fest.
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2022: Nashville
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Every fest is different. Many fests cater to those with the money and they sit up front.
by the way, give it up folks. there's not gonna be any more tour news till january.
never been to jazz fest but always heard amazn things
quite a range in the tix offered ($900, $600, $400 and $40)
pretty pricey on the high end
also, i do believe the $600 pricetag is for the whole weekend, not one day...so not comparable to the $40, at all. that $40 has to be quadrupled to compare. and sure, still, $600 in comparison to $160 is still a huge jump....but it's not $600 compared to $40. just to clarify.[/quote]
yes the pricier options were for 4 days (sorry to rile anyone up, to me wasnt must difference when lowest vip $ is still 60% higher a day) i'm totally stoked on going and dont need to be at the rail (tk you oz!!) but just how far will we be and do i need to worry cheap tix will sell out? tks for any advice
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'08 3 shows / '09 5 shows / '10 6 shows
4 different vip options tho? (never done the roo either)
'00 12 shows / '03 4 shows / '06 6 shows
'08 3 shows / '09 5 shows / '10 6 shows
The high-priced tickets help keep the regular ticket prices low.
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I went VIP to Bonnaroo in 08. it was $625. The perks were well worth the ticket price. VIP had its own private camping area literally a 3 minute walk to the festival grounds. The best part was the VIPs had their own private entrance into Centeroo...no lines no secruity hassles. you could get to the main stage from my campsite in roughly 5 mins. this is compared to some people who had to walk up to 1 hour just to get to Centeroo.
Other perks were: private VIP party on thursday night with an open bar and private performance. Three meals/day....(although the food wasnt anything special) VIP only bathroom/shower facilities that were air conditioned and always clean and tidy. Free Bonnaroo poster and Tshirt...free "Best of Roo 08" DVD.
it was well worth the money and if i ever went back to Bonnaroo i would go VIP without hesistation.
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Spectrum, Philadelphia - 10/30/09
Spectrum, Philadelphia - 10/31/09
Madison Square Garden, NYC - 5/21/10
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some people just like to get pissed, and i don't mean drunk.
given that it is entirely out of pj's hands, they have nada to do with it....yea, i don't get it. sure, they don't have to play the fest, but maybe they want to? such is life.
so we've got today or tomorrow, see if the OP was right, or if we have to wait until january. i DO hope we get an announcement by january or february - be great to have more shows, know about em, plan for em...and yes, 10c ticket sales before march 1st please and thank you.
good point! :thumbup:
and yes, i had said it was for all 4 days, not just one...and here too you're right. i think we paid close to that for the rock the bells festival a few years ago, and we were only going to see rage against the machine. it was well worth it tho!
cjm.....saturday doesn't count. have we ever gotten an announcement on a weekend? first time for everything of course, but 10c does usually keep to weekdays, and i thank them for that.
Let's just breathe...
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Yes, but at Roo that $625 also included camping- which, yes, I agree, it was a great price. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the VIP for JazzFest (or regualr ticket) does not include camping. I can aonlt assume that since it's in NO, there is in camping
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II
The only info I am privy to is regarding "Gardening". I've not heard of any differences from my original thread, so I am hoping those "seeds are growing", so to speak.
This talk about "US dates" being announced this week is strictly from Joe's thread that it is coming this week. I have no knowledge about it.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
mcmuffin, mcmuffin...you cheesy greasy little whore/tell me, tell me...when will Pearl Jam tour?
mcmuffin says "I don't fuckn' know..my guess is as good as Joe...but yo...for $2.99 you can have me and my ho"
$2.99!!! mcmuffin you're crazy..damn you think i'm rich?
mcmuffin says "shit, you the one talking to a breakfast sandwhich ya broke ass bitch"