I sit there mouth agape in pure wonder that this is possibly somehow even still a concern for people. I mean I can't express enough how stunned I am that people actually still question and/or care about an issue that has been confirmed to death. It is truly unbelievable to me.
Then to wipe the spittle off my mouth I have to laugh and smile, cause really there is no other sane reaction to such lunacy.
P.S. I am not an Obama supporter, I think both parties are full of crap and it's hard to tell one from the other.
Well, people who may have run for president in the past would be very angry! I know my father has a huge issue with this. There is a reason that the president has to be a natural born citizen. All the other offices of gov. don't have this qualification, but presidency does.
Its not fair to all those who could not run for president.
Here's why it matters about where Obama was born:
The Constitution uses the words "natural born citizen" to insure that the President is an American. Is Obama an American? That is the question. How did the founders interpret "natural born citizen"?
I changed my mind on this subject.. and I know what will be said about me but I could really care less.One issue I have is why has Obama spent over a million dollars on attorney fees to keep this out of the courts if he isnt trying to cover up something.
and still he has yet to produce his long form birth certificate if he even has one.
then there's this story
Hawaii elections clerk: Obama not born here
Official who oversaw ballots in 2008 race says hospital birth certificate non-existent
Posted: June 10, 2010
3:39 am Eastern
A college instructor who worked as senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.
Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for Honolulu, now teaches English at Western Kentucky University.
"There is no birth certificate," said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."
Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."
He says during the 2008 campaign when the issue of Obama's constitutional eligibility first arose, the elections office was inundated with requests to verify the birthplace of the U.S. senator from Illinois.
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"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."
At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.
"They told us, 'We don't have a birth certificate for him,'" he said. "They told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man's birth."
To date, no Hawaiian hospital has provided documented confirmation that Obama was born at its facility.
Copy of original long-form birth certificate of Susan Nordyke, born in Honolulu the day after Obama's reported birthdate. President Obama has never produced any document like this
WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.
"His title was senior elections clerk in 2008," said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.
Takahashi also confirmed Adams' time frame at the office from spring until the month of August.
"We hire temporary workers, because we're seasonal," he said.
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However, when WND asked Takahashi if the elections office could check on birth records, he said, "We don't have access to that kind of records. [There's] no access to birth records."
Adams responded, "They may say, 'We don't have access to that.' The regular workers don't, the ones processing ballots; but the people in administration do. I was the one overseeing the work of the people doing the balloting."
Adams stressed, "In my professional opinion, [Obama] definitely was not born in Hawaii. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he was not born in Hawaii because there is no legal record of him being born there. If someone called and asked about it, I could not tell them that person was born in the state."
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The White House has maintained a computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, or COLB, is proof enough of Obama's Hawaiian birth, even though it has no hospital or doctor's name on it. Such documents differ from a Certificate of Live Birth which includes those details. In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of Obama's short-form COLB, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images released by FactCheck.org.
This short-form Certification of Live Birth image, which is not the same as a long-form, hospital-generated Certificate of Live Birth, was released by the Obama campaign June 2008.
"Anyone can get that [Certification of Live Birth]," said Adams. "They are normally given if you give birth at home or while traveling overseas. We have a lot of Asian population [in Hawaii]. It's quite common for people to come back and get that."
When WND mentioned there were announcements of Obama's birth published in Hawaiian newspapers, Adams noted, "I'm sure the [maternal] grandparents were happy to put that in the paper when he got born."
But Adams says that doesn't necessarily mean he was actually born in Hawaii. While he's not 100 percent sure of Obama's true birthplace, he does think Kenya is a possibility, since his paternal grandmother stated that before allegedly being silenced by other family members.
Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii
Last month, as WND reported, Hawaii's Republican Gov. Linda Lingle reignited Obama's origin on a New York radio show.
"It's been an odd situation," Lingle said. "This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it's one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country.
"So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."
Although the governor now claims she issued a news release stating Kapi'olani is Obama's birthplace, the actual release said no such thing, making no reference to Kapi'olani nor any other specific location of Obama's birth.
WND asked Adams why the governor would make such assertions if a Hawaiian hospital-generated birth certificate did not exist.
"Why would they say they've seen it and not produce it? I don't know," he said. "If they said they've seen the document, then why not produce the document? There's no need to put themselves out like that. I can't even begin to think why they did that except for some kind of political expediency. I'm too far down the totem pole [to know]."
While Adams, who noted he spent nearly 10 years in the islands and has a bachelor's degree from the University of Hawaii, says he's certain Obama was not born there, he also does think the president is indeed a U.S. citizen, since his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham was an American.
He says he merely would like to see the truth come out and have the controversy over natural-born citizenship and presidential eligibility resolved once and for all.
"It's come to the point where it's a monster, and it's time to kill it," Adams said. "Solve the problem so that everyone can get back to cooperating to improve the country. People have lost sight that we're trying to make the country a better place."
He also feels some empathy for Obama, foreseeing what the president would potentially experience based on confirmation of his claims.
"You don't have to like President Obama," he said, "but it is sad that he's going to have to go through this public pillory by the time this all comes out, that they did cover this up; and that's sad because the first African-American man to become president shouldn't have this blight on his term in office. That's what he'll get remembered for. It's sad."
Adams says he's been telling other people his information for a long time, and he's free to talk about it publicly since he no longer has any confidentiality restrictions from his former employer, the Honolulu government. People started to pay attention this week after he was briefly interviewed by James Edwards, host of a weekly radio show on WLRM Radio in Memphis, Tenn.
As WND reported last July, the Kapi'olani Medical Center trumpeted – then later concealed – a letter allegedly written by President Obama in which he ostensibly declares his birth at the facility.
A photograph taken by the Kapi'olani Medical Center for WND shows a letter allegedly written by President Obama on embossed White House stationery in which he declares the Honolulu hospital to be "the place of my birth," The hospital, after publicizing the letter then refusing to confirm it even existed, is now vouching for its authenticity, but not its content. The White House has yet to verify any aspect of the letter.
"As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center – the place of my birth – I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters," Obama purportedly wrote.
This excerpt from the alleged Obama letter is perhaps the first formal declaration from the president about his exact birthplace. The White House has still not confirmed if the letter or its contents are authentic.
But the authenticity of that letter remains in doubt. Since WND raised questions about the veracity of the letter itself and its content, the White House has refused to say if the message is real and if its text originated with the president.
When WND correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Press Secretary Robert Gibbs about the letter at the July 13 news briefing, Gibbs dodged the question, refusing to confirm its authenticity while belittling Kinsolving for even posing the question.
Press Secretary Robert Gibbs refused to confirm the authenticity of the alleged Jan. 24, 2009, letter from President Obama to his purported place of birth, Kapi'olani Medical Center.
"Do all of your listeners and the listeners throughout this country the service to which any journalist owes those listeners, and that is the pursuit of the noble truth," Gibbs lectured Kinsolving. "And the noble truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America."
Since the medical center used the letter for a high-profile fundraising campaign in the Spring 2009 edition of its Inspire Magazine, the FBI and United States Secret Service said the matter could potentially lead to criminal prosecution were the letter determined to be fraudulent.
"It would be a charity-fraud scheme," said FBI spokesman Steve Kodak. "It would be investigated by us or the Secret Service. We both have jurisdiction over that."
WND also revealed the discovery by private investigators who say Obama is mysteriously using a Social Security Number that was issued in Connecticut, despite having worked in Hawaii as a teen and there being no mention of him living in Connecticut.
Meanwhile, Hawaii continues to get requests for release of Obama's hospital-generated birth certificate, leading state lawmakers to take action.
They passed a bill in April allowing any Hawaii department to ignore repeated inquiries for information from the same person, if the department already has responded within a year. Gov. Lingle signed it into law shortly after WND's report about her declaration on radio that Obama was born at Kapi'olani.
with this little tidbit, this man has no credibility and he has every motive to perpetuate this story....
"Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You can draw that conclusion if you want to. I still think it's odd that Obama would spend over a million dollars to keep it out of the courts. I don't care what anybody thinks. Who in the hell spends that kind of money if they aren't trying to hide something ? NOBODY!!!!
and again he still has not shown his real birth certificate.A certificate of live birth is not the same..
You can call me a birther or whatever you want,but these are questions that need to be answered. I guarentee if it were a republican president you and the rest of the people that voted for Obama would be screaming about this.
with this little tidbit, this man has no credibility and he has every motive to perpetuate this story....
"Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."
You assume way to much. How do you know he's not telling the truth or making it up. So if he would have voted for Obama you would believe him ? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying
You can draw that conclusion if you want to. I still think it's odd that Obama would spend over a million dollars to keep it out of the courts. I don't care what anybody thinks. Who in the hell spends that kind of money if they aren't trying to hide something ? NOBODY!!!!
and again he still has not shown his real birth certificate.A certificate of live birth is not the same..
You can call me a birther or whatever you want,but these are questions that need to be answered. I guarentee if it were a republican president you and the rest of the people that voted for Obama would be screaming about this.
actually i would not be bitching if he was a republican. the election is settled and there are more pressing issues in the country right now than debating something that was settled nearly 2 years ago by an overwhelming majority of americans. the situation is what it is, and if people like you want to hold up progress by debating this issue rather than looking for solutions to real problems then there is no point in having any dialogue with the birthers. you people will do anything to discredit obama and this is just another fine example of that.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
with this little tidbit, this man has no credibility and he has every motive to perpetuate this story....
"Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."
You assume way to much. How do you know he's not telling the truth or making it up. So if he would have voted for Obama you would believe him ? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying
how do i assume way too much? it is clear this man has an axe to grind. he voted for hillary and he voted for mccain. he does not support obama so it makes sense to my mind that he would perpetuate this story, whether it is ture or not.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
It hasn't been settled and I don't believe you for one second when you say it wouldn't matter if he were a republican. When he shows his real birth certificate I will believe it. Untill then I wont. We do have this thing called evidence you know and right now all the evidence is saying that he wasn't.
It hasn't been settled and I don't believe you for one second when you say it wouldn't matter if he were a republican. When he shows his real birth certificate I will believe it. Untill then I wont. We do have this thing called evidence you know and right now all the evidence is saying that he wasn't.
i don't care if you believe me or not. i really don't. it has been settled. if he were a republican it would not matter to me because i have beter things to do with my time and more important things in my life to worry about instead of spreading lies and allegations on a pearl jam message board, as if this place is the new york times or the washingtom post or some investigative journalism site??? it is counterproductive when we have real issues that need to be solved. why is it every time that woman in florida tries to bring this "evidence" into court she is laughed out of the courtroom?
the situation is what it is. what are you gonna do about it?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
you people are ridiculous. This man has been alive for 49 years, all of which he's had continuity stating he's born in the US. When he served in the Illinois senate, his BC said he was born here. When he was elected to the US senate, his BC still said he was born here. He gets elected to become president and suddenly people start questioning his BC. Don't you think every single fucking member of the GOP would've been working day and night to expose this if it were true? Don't you people think this would've been uncovered? Why'd he spend $1 million keeping it out of court? Maybe the $$$ was worth it for him to not take his eye off the campaign trail, the economy, health care...you think that maybe he didn't want to waste time fighting this issue in court when there were more important things to worry about...funny ONLY THE BLACK GUY IS ASKED TO SHOW HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. MAYBE PALIN WAS BORN IN RUSSIA :?
Obama was not born in Kenya. Flying saucers didn't land in your backyard last night. God wants you to burn witches and gay people. Does it matter if Eddie Vedder is Pete Townshend's love child with Aretha Franklin??? Believing a thing does not make it true, birthers. Irrational beliefs lead to dysfunctional behaviors.
You can draw that conclusion if you want to. I still think it's odd that Obama would spend over a million dollars to keep it out of the courts. I don't care what anybody thinks. Who in the hell spends that kind of money if they aren't trying to hide something ? NOBODY!!!!
and again he still has not shown his real birth certificate.A certificate of live birth is not the same..
You can call me a birther or whatever you want,but these are questions that need to be answered. I guarentee if it were a republican president you and the rest of the people that voted for Obama would be screaming about this.
"According to this wording on this official State Government of Hawaii web page, the term "birth certificate" is an "umbrella" term covering both Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth. They are not the same thing, but both are Birth Certificates. The Certification of Live Birth is just as valid as the Certificate of Live Birth, is just as much a Birth Certificate, and is considered prima facie evidence of Hawaiian birth for all legal purposes (as clearly stated on the bottom of the form), not only the Hawaiian Home Lands program."
Obama has shown the real deal. You've shown an inability to deal with it. Sorry.
<snip> Does it matter if Eddie Vedder is Pete Townshend's love child with Aretha Franklin??? <snip>
YES, because, if that were the case, he'd have much less to sing about. And I for one don't want that.
Oh and more on topic, a couple of thoughts:
If you're born to an American citizen, you are an American. It doesn't matter where your mama did the pushin'. I was born in England to US citizens (pops was military); would you challenge my ability to run for pres.?
To you folks playing the race card, that might be some birthers' motivation, but gimme a break. If one of Palin's parents was Russian-born and a Russian citizen still, then yes, I think people would make a fuss over it. Anyone who had voted for her opposition certainly would.
Does it really matter. By the time this gets figured out and anything gets done about it, it will probably be 2012 and Obama will be history anyways. I'm just concerned about how much debt this guy can accumilate by then.
Does it really matter. By the time this gets figured out and anything gets done about it, it will probably be 2012 and Obama will be history anyways. I'm just concerned about how much debt this guy can accumilate by then.
Does it really matter. By the time this gets figured out and anything gets done about it, it will probably be 2012 and Obama will be history anyways. I'm just concerned about how much debt this guy can accumilate by then.
gonna take a long time to fix Bush's fuckups.
yeah.....that's what they keep trying to tell me :roll:
yeah.....that's what they keep trying to tell me :roll:
do you realize how bad of a position we were in when he left...forget the blame game for a minute. The amount of debt that was accumulated when the country was not in a recession is staggering. We went from a surplus to a defecit without any economic strain; factor in 2 ongoing wars (= $3 trillion) Add in the tax cuts for the WEALTHIEST AMERICANS that have been in place for the past 10 years and a total lack of control on the increasing insurance costs leaves you where this guy steps in. So who has spent more? $3 trillion dollars in war, economic collapse costing the country trillions, and health insurance costs which is the #1 reason for bankruptcy in the country and i think you'll see the last guy LOST a shitload more than this guy has spent.
I think the fact that he's a warmongering piece of shit lining the pockets of his corporate whores and the fact that he is a sad excuse for a human being matters far more than where he was born.
Is there a thread about the Indonesian Citizen issue?
That controversy is an interesting one as well: Some people have argued that Obama was legally acknowledged as a son by his stepfather Lolo Soetoro. Barack was then "Barry Soetoro." The argument is that Barry Soetoro never renounced his Indonesian citizenship, and never changed his name back to his birth name of Barack Obama.
yeah.....that's what they keep trying to tell me :roll:
do you realize how bad of a position we were in when he left...forget the blame game for a minute. The amount of debt that was accumulated when the country was not in a recession is staggering. We went from a surplus to a defecit without any economic strain; factor in 2 ongoing wars (= $3 trillion) Add in the tax cuts for the WEALTHIEST AMERICANS that have been in place for the past 10 years and a total lack of control on the increasing insurance costs leaves you where this guy steps in. So who has spent more? $3 trillion dollars in war, economic collapse costing the country trillions, and health insurance costs which is the #1 reason for bankruptcy in the country and i think you'll see the last guy LOST a shitload more than this guy has spent.
Obama said he could fix the economy but everything he has done has failed....as he and his wife are enjoying the good life on the American tax payers dime....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I think the fact that he's a warmongering piece of shit lining the pockets of his corporate whores and the fact that he is a sad excuse for a human being matters far more than where he was born.
I don't like Bill Belichick either but we should really try to stay on the topic at hand.
yeah.....that's what they keep trying to tell me :roll:
do you realize how bad of a position we were in when he left...forget the blame game for a minute. The amount of debt that was accumulated when the country was not in a recession is staggering. We went from a surplus to a defecit without any economic strain; factor in 2 ongoing wars (= $3 trillion) Add in the tax cuts for the WEALTHIEST AMERICANS that have been in place for the past 10 years and a total lack of control on the increasing insurance costs leaves you where this guy steps in. So who has spent more? $3 trillion dollars in war, economic collapse costing the country trillions, and health insurance costs which is the #1 reason for bankruptcy in the country and i think you'll see the last guy LOST a shitload more than this guy has spent.
Yeah yeah yeah, Bush sucked, I get that. I also get that Obama preached to us ( 6 times to be exact ) on tv telling us that he needed his first stimulus package to save all the teachers and the firemen and the police. You know, all of our heroes. I also know that he just passed a jobs bill for 26 million dollars so that we can save all the teachers, and police, and firemen. All the while, there is still 380 BILLION dollars left over from his first stimulus that is unaccounted for. :? MO MONEY MO MONEY MO MONEY! GO OBAMA....FUCK YEAH!
yeah.....that's what they keep trying to tell me :roll:
do you realize how bad of a position we were in when he left...forget the blame game for a minute. The amount of debt that was accumulated when the country was not in a recession is staggering. We went from a surplus to a defecit without any economic strain; factor in 2 ongoing wars (= $3 trillion) Add in the tax cuts for the WEALTHIEST AMERICANS that have been in place for the past 10 years and a total lack of control on the increasing insurance costs leaves you where this guy steps in. So who has spent more? $3 trillion dollars in war, economic collapse costing the country trillions, and health insurance costs which is the #1 reason for bankruptcy in the country and i think you'll see the last guy LOST a shitload more than this guy has spent.
Obama said he could fix the economy but everything he has done has failed....as he and his wife are enjoying the good life on the American tax payers dime....
Right on Aerial! You know, I've racked up some pretty good debt over the years. Maybe I can just borrow more money and be wealthy again. :roll:
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Godfather.
Its not fair to all those who could not run for president.
Do an image search for the belt buckle that Arnie proudly wears: It was his father's Nazi SS Guard buckle.
The Constitution uses the words "natural born citizen" to insure that the President is an American. Is Obama an American? That is the question. How did the founders interpret "natural born citizen"?
An American can be born on the Moon. :thumbup:
and still he has yet to produce his long form birth certificate if he even has one.
then there's this story
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=165041
Hawaii elections clerk: Obama not born here
Official who oversaw ballots in 2008 race says hospital birth certificate non-existent
Posted: June 10, 2010
3:39 am Eastern
By Joe Kovacs
© 2010 WorldNetDaily
A college instructor who worked as senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.
Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for Honolulu, now teaches English at Western Kentucky University.
"There is no birth certificate," said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."
Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."
He says during the 2008 campaign when the issue of Obama's constitutional eligibility first arose, the elections office was inundated with requests to verify the birthplace of the U.S. senator from Illinois.
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"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."
At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.
"They told us, 'We don't have a birth certificate for him,'" he said. "They told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man's birth."
To date, no Hawaiian hospital has provided documented confirmation that Obama was born at its facility.
Copy of original long-form birth certificate of Susan Nordyke, born in Honolulu the day after Obama's reported birthdate. President Obama has never produced any document like this
WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.
"His title was senior elections clerk in 2008," said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.
Takahashi also confirmed Adams' time frame at the office from spring until the month of August.
"We hire temporary workers, because we're seasonal," he said.
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However, when WND asked Takahashi if the elections office could check on birth records, he said, "We don't have access to that kind of records. [There's] no access to birth records."
Adams responded, "They may say, 'We don't have access to that.' The regular workers don't, the ones processing ballots; but the people in administration do. I was the one overseeing the work of the people doing the balloting."
Adams stressed, "In my professional opinion, [Obama] definitely was not born in Hawaii. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he was not born in Hawaii because there is no legal record of him being born there. If someone called and asked about it, I could not tell them that person was born in the state."
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The White House has maintained a computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, or COLB, is proof enough of Obama's Hawaiian birth, even though it has no hospital or doctor's name on it. Such documents differ from a Certificate of Live Birth which includes those details. In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of Obama's short-form COLB, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images released by FactCheck.org.
This short-form Certification of Live Birth image, which is not the same as a long-form, hospital-generated Certificate of Live Birth, was released by the Obama campaign June 2008.
"Anyone can get that [Certification of Live Birth]," said Adams. "They are normally given if you give birth at home or while traveling overseas. We have a lot of Asian population [in Hawaii]. It's quite common for people to come back and get that."
When WND mentioned there were announcements of Obama's birth published in Hawaiian newspapers, Adams noted, "I'm sure the [maternal] grandparents were happy to put that in the paper when he got born."
But Adams says that doesn't necessarily mean he was actually born in Hawaii. While he's not 100 percent sure of Obama's true birthplace, he does think Kenya is a possibility, since his paternal grandmother stated that before allegedly being silenced by other family members.
Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii
Last month, as WND reported, Hawaii's Republican Gov. Linda Lingle reignited Obama's origin on a New York radio show.
"It's been an odd situation," Lingle said. "This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it's one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country.
"So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."
Although the governor now claims she issued a news release stating Kapi'olani is Obama's birthplace, the actual release said no such thing, making no reference to Kapi'olani nor any other specific location of Obama's birth.
WND asked Adams why the governor would make such assertions if a Hawaiian hospital-generated birth certificate did not exist.
"Why would they say they've seen it and not produce it? I don't know," he said. "If they said they've seen the document, then why not produce the document? There's no need to put themselves out like that. I can't even begin to think why they did that except for some kind of political expediency. I'm too far down the totem pole [to know]."
While Adams, who noted he spent nearly 10 years in the islands and has a bachelor's degree from the University of Hawaii, says he's certain Obama was not born there, he also does think the president is indeed a U.S. citizen, since his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham was an American.
He says he merely would like to see the truth come out and have the controversy over natural-born citizenship and presidential eligibility resolved once and for all.
"It's come to the point where it's a monster, and it's time to kill it," Adams said. "Solve the problem so that everyone can get back to cooperating to improve the country. People have lost sight that we're trying to make the country a better place."
He also feels some empathy for Obama, foreseeing what the president would potentially experience based on confirmation of his claims.
"You don't have to like President Obama," he said, "but it is sad that he's going to have to go through this public pillory by the time this all comes out, that they did cover this up; and that's sad because the first African-American man to become president shouldn't have this blight on his term in office. That's what he'll get remembered for. It's sad."
Adams says he's been telling other people his information for a long time, and he's free to talk about it publicly since he no longer has any confidentiality restrictions from his former employer, the Honolulu government. People started to pay attention this week after he was briefly interviewed by James Edwards, host of a weekly radio show on WLRM Radio in Memphis, Tenn.
As WND reported last July, the Kapi'olani Medical Center trumpeted – then later concealed – a letter allegedly written by President Obama in which he ostensibly declares his birth at the facility.
A photograph taken by the Kapi'olani Medical Center for WND shows a letter allegedly written by President Obama on embossed White House stationery in which he declares the Honolulu hospital to be "the place of my birth," The hospital, after publicizing the letter then refusing to confirm it even existed, is now vouching for its authenticity, but not its content. The White House has yet to verify any aspect of the letter.
"As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center – the place of my birth – I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters," Obama purportedly wrote.
This excerpt from the alleged Obama letter is perhaps the first formal declaration from the president about his exact birthplace. The White House has still not confirmed if the letter or its contents are authentic.
But the authenticity of that letter remains in doubt. Since WND raised questions about the veracity of the letter itself and its content, the White House has refused to say if the message is real and if its text originated with the president.
When WND correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Press Secretary Robert Gibbs about the letter at the July 13 news briefing, Gibbs dodged the question, refusing to confirm its authenticity while belittling Kinsolving for even posing the question.
Press Secretary Robert Gibbs refused to confirm the authenticity of the alleged Jan. 24, 2009, letter from President Obama to his purported place of birth, Kapi'olani Medical Center.
"Do all of your listeners and the listeners throughout this country the service to which any journalist owes those listeners, and that is the pursuit of the noble truth," Gibbs lectured Kinsolving. "And the noble truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America."
Since the medical center used the letter for a high-profile fundraising campaign in the Spring 2009 edition of its Inspire Magazine, the FBI and United States Secret Service said the matter could potentially lead to criminal prosecution were the letter determined to be fraudulent.
"It would be a charity-fraud scheme," said FBI spokesman Steve Kodak. "It would be investigated by us or the Secret Service. We both have jurisdiction over that."
WND also revealed the discovery by private investigators who say Obama is mysteriously using a Social Security Number that was issued in Connecticut, despite having worked in Hawaii as a teen and there being no mention of him living in Connecticut.
Meanwhile, Hawaii continues to get requests for release of Obama's hospital-generated birth certificate, leading state lawmakers to take action.
They passed a bill in April allowing any Hawaii department to ignore repeated inquiries for information from the same person, if the department already has responded within a year. Gov. Lingle signed it into law shortly after WND's report about her declaration on radio that Obama was born at Kapi'olani.
with this little tidbit, this man has no credibility and he has every motive to perpetuate this story....
"Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
and again he still has not shown his real birth certificate.A certificate of live birth is not the same..
You can call me a birther or whatever you want,but these are questions that need to be answered. I guarentee if it were a republican president you and the rest of the people that voted for Obama would be screaming about this.
You assume way to much. How do you know he's not telling the truth or making it up. So if he would have voted for Obama you would believe him ? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
the situation is what it is. what are you gonna do about it?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"According to this wording on this official State Government of Hawaii web page, the term "birth certificate" is an "umbrella" term covering both Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth. They are not the same thing, but both are Birth Certificates. The Certification of Live Birth is just as valid as the Certificate of Live Birth, is just as much a Birth Certificate, and is considered prima facie evidence of Hawaiian birth for all legal purposes (as clearly stated on the bottom of the form), not only the Hawaiian Home Lands program."
Obama has shown the real deal. You've shown an inability to deal with it. Sorry.
Oh and more on topic, a couple of thoughts:
If you're born to an American citizen, you are an American. It doesn't matter where your mama did the pushin'. I was born in England to US citizens (pops was military); would you challenge my ability to run for pres.?
To you folks playing the race card, that might be some birthers' motivation, but gimme a break. If one of Palin's parents was Russian-born and a Russian citizen still, then yes, I think people would make a fuss over it. Anyone who had voted for her opposition certainly would.
gonna take a long time to fix Bush's fuckups.
yeah.....that's what they keep trying to tell me :roll:
do you realize how bad of a position we were in when he left...forget the blame game for a minute. The amount of debt that was accumulated when the country was not in a recession is staggering. We went from a surplus to a defecit without any economic strain; factor in 2 ongoing wars (= $3 trillion) Add in the tax cuts for the WEALTHIEST AMERICANS that have been in place for the past 10 years and a total lack of control on the increasing insurance costs leaves you where this guy steps in. So who has spent more? $3 trillion dollars in war, economic collapse costing the country trillions, and health insurance costs which is the #1 reason for bankruptcy in the country and i think you'll see the last guy LOST a shitload more than this guy has spent.
That controversy is an interesting one as well: Some people have argued that Obama was legally acknowledged as a son by his stepfather Lolo Soetoro. Barack was then "Barry Soetoro." The argument is that Barry Soetoro never renounced his Indonesian citizenship, and never changed his name back to his birth name of Barack Obama.
I am NOT saying that this is true.
Yeah yeah yeah, Bush sucked, I get that. I also get that Obama preached to us ( 6 times to be exact ) on tv telling us that he needed his first stimulus package to save all the teachers and the firemen and the police. You know, all of our heroes. I also know that he just passed a jobs bill for 26 million dollars so that we can save all the teachers, and police, and firemen. All the while, there is still 380 BILLION dollars left over from his first stimulus that is unaccounted for. :? MO MONEY MO MONEY MO MONEY! GO OBAMA....FUCK YEAH!
Right on Aerial! You know, I've racked up some pretty good debt over the years. Maybe I can just borrow more money and be wealthy again. :roll: