Does it matter if the President was born in Kenya?

Pepe Silvia

prfctlefts wrote:

I think that he was born in Hawaii because I think it would take some balls to try and fool everyone and that the Democratic party would be finished forever if they tried it and thought that they could get away with it. So personally I don't think that He or the dems would even think about it,but Im really suprised by all that think that it's no big deal If he weren't born there and that it would be ok if he had lied about it. But then again Im not. Most could care less about the Constituion and what it says these days. What if people were saying the same thing about Bush or any other prersident that you personally didn't vote for. Would all of you still feel the same way ? That it was no big deal if he wasn't born in america. HELL NO!!!! I very seriously doubt it.

i didn't vote for Obama or Bush and could really care less where either of them were born.

like i said, i can understand back in the time they wrote the constitution why they included that but now how would where you were born give you any more or less understanding of the country??

ledvedderman

otter wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

otter wrote:

I think it's funny that so many people are afraid to ask the question and so many are scared to question anything about Obama.

Fact is the newspaper announcement doesn't say what hospital or city he was born in. The certificate is NOT a birth certificate. My birth certificate is as old as me and it has my little baby footprints on it. I have a certificate of live birth too. I needed it to get a passport.

Wake up!!!!

Nobody but Obama's Mommy can say for sure where he was born. Obama himself can't he was just a little new born at the time.

THERE ARE NO PRIMARY SOURCES!!!

Historians in the future will debate this. Why are yinz so afraid to question this man?

Prove to me right now that your "birth certificate" is real.

Mine is as old as me. I can prove it because it has my little footprints on it.

Oh we don't know that. That could have been forged long ago. I have no reason to believe you, but I have every reason to believe your parents, delivering doctor, and the government are involved in a massive plot. I hate to inform you, but you're actually a French citizen. Until you provide photos of said certificate, video of you making ink foot prints of your feet, post those pictures so we can compare them. Until then...I don't believe anything.

Wilds

ledvedderman wrote:

Oh we don't know that. That could have been forged long ago. I have no reason to believe you, but I have every reason to believe your parents, delivering doctor, and the government are involved in a massive plot. I hate to inform you, but you're actually a French citizen. Until you provide photos of said certificate, video of you making ink foot prints of your feet, post those pictures so we can compare them. Until then...I don't believe anything.

Viva La France!

JR8805

Obama is not a natural-born citizen. People who think he was born in Kenya are wrong! He is actually a space alien. Nothing you say can make me believe he's not. Until I see the certificate in my hand that says he's not from the Anturus System certified by the Premier of Anturus itself, I will hold fast to my bizarre idea that he is not a citizen of the US. Court rulings, a buttload of statements from Hawaiian officials to the contrary, and the existence of the birth certificate in the Hawaii Health Department's archives to the contrary, Obama is and will continue to be a space alien. Because I like the idea he is. And an idea I like is always better than the truth and more valid than the truth. The more delusional my idea, the faster I'll hold to it.

I also like the idea that Eddie Vedder is actually Sarah Palin's brother. You can't prove to me he's not. So, until you can prove to me he's not, which you can't, I will continue with my belief that Eddie and Sarah like to shoot moose together because it is a family bondage practice. You can't dismiss the idea of of the beauty and importance of bondage between brother and sister any more than you can dismiss the idea the importance of bondage between and mother and child, just like wise President Bush said.

And, by the way. How do we know Bush could be president? I have never personally seen Bush's original certificate. We just have some suspicious people's word on the certificate and picture of a copy of a reproduction that could have been forged long ago. Bush was not a natural-born citizen, I'm absolutely positive. How could America have produced someone like him?

TriumphantAngel

otter wrote:

Remember...nobody knows where Obama was born especially Obama. How does anybody know? There Mom tells them. But Obama's Mom is dead.

If we find out that he was born in Kenya the we will have a Constitutional crissis in this country. Because some lawyer will make a humungus, gigantic deal about it.

hell, who needs some lawyer to make a humungus, gigantic deal about it. we've go you to do that for them. you are so transparent.

your first post was all omygosh who cares :roll:

second post i just quoted.

third post.....

otter wrote:

I think it's funny that so many people are afraid to ask the question and so many are scared to question anything about Obama.

Fact is the newspaper announcement doesn't say what hospital or city he was born in. The certificate is NOT a birth certificate. My birth certificate is as old as me and it has my little baby footprints on it. I have a certificate of live birth too. I needed it to get a passport.

Wake up!!!!

Nobody but Obama's Mommy can say for sure where he was born. Obama himself can't he was just a little new born at the time.

THERE ARE NO PRIMARY SOURCES!!!

Historians in the future will debate this. Why are yinz so afraid to question this man?

why didn't you just say that to start with? instead of all this ohmygosh who cares rubbish :roll: :roll:, because you clearly care.

Smellyman

otter wrote:

I think it's funny that so many people are afraid to ask the question and so many are scared to question anything about Obama.

Fact is the newspaper announcement doesn't say what hospital or city he was born in. The certificate is NOT a birth certificate. My birth certificate is as old as me and it has my little baby footprints on it. I have a certificate of live birth too. I needed it to get a passport.

Wake up!!!!

Nobody but Obama's Mommy can say for sure where he was born. Obama himself can't he was just a little new born at the time.

THERE ARE NO PRIMARY SOURCES!!!

Historians in the future will debate this. Why are yinz so afraid to question this man?

I think it's funny that you think the question hasn't been asked. The republican governor of Hawaii confirmed it. He has produced the certificate of life birth which is all Hawaii uses.

The certificate of live birth is all you need to produce. The "birth certificate" you have with your little feet on it has as much merit as your 3rd grade spelling bee certificate of participation.

otter

Don't follow the leaders and watch your parking meters

Wilds

otter wrote:

Don't follow the leaders and watch your parking meters

I prefer "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son." courtesy of Dean Vernon Wormer.

This ones good too.


Dean Vernon Wormer: Well, well, well. Looks like somebody forgot there's a rule against alcoholic beverages in fraternities on probation!
Otter: What a tool.
Dean Vernon Wormer: I didn't get that, son, what was that?
Otter: Uh, I said, "What a shame that a few bad apples have to spoil a good time for everyone by breaking the rules."
Dean Vernon Wormer: Put a sock in it, boy, or else you'll be outta here like shit through a goose.

dcfaithful

Wilds wrote:

otter wrote:

Don't follow the leaders and watch your parking meters

I prefer "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son." courtesy of Dean Vernon Wormer.

This ones good too.


Dean Vernon Wormer: Well, well, well. Looks like somebody forgot there's a rule against alcoholic beverages in fraternities on probation!
Otter: What a tool.
Dean Vernon Wormer: I didn't get that, son, what was that?
Otter: Uh, I said, "What a shame that a few bad apples have to spoil a good time for everyone by breaking the rules."
Dean Vernon Wormer: Put a sock in it, boy, or else you'll be outta here like shit through a goose.

My personal favorite motto: Shit happens when you party naked.

toodee

Presidential Requirements...

...Natural-Born
An understanding of the nation is essential for the role of President. The framers of the Constitution strongly believed that a person must be born in the United States in order to fully understand the country.

That's one theory, another theory is that the founders of the United States of America didn't want particular foreigners (i.e. Kings of various European countries) taking over the country and ruling from a distance.

Godfather.

otter wrote:

The Constitution says you only have to be a citizen of the U.S.

Who cares? :?

I care.

Godfather.

Heatherj43

Wilds wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i LOVE birthers. they make me smile. and laugh...

I sit there mouth agape in pure wonder that this is possibly somehow even still a concern for people. I mean I can't express enough how stunned I am that people actually still question and/or care about an issue that has been confirmed to death. It is truly unbelievable to me.

Then to wipe the spittle off my mouth I have to laugh and smile, cause really there is no other sane reaction to such lunacy.


P.S. I am not an Obama supporter, I think both parties are full of crap and it's hard to tell one from the other.

Well, people who may have run for president in the past would be very angry! I know my father has a huge issue with this. There is a reason that the president has to be a natural born citizen. All the other offices of gov. don't have this qualification, but presidency does.
Its not fair to all those who could not run for president.

TravisTheSky

On a positive note, the natural-born-citizen requirement has kept my state's "Governator" from running for President.


Do an image search for the belt buckle that Arnie proudly wears: It was his father's Nazi SS Guard buckle.

otter

Here's why it matters about where Obama was born:
The Constitution uses the words "natural born citizen" to insure that the President is an American. Is Obama an American? That is the question. How did the founders interpret "natural born citizen"?

An American can be born on the Moon. :thumbup:

WaveCameCrashin

I changed my mind on this subject.. and I know what will be said about me but I could really care less.One issue I have is why has Obama spent over a million dollars on attorney fees to keep this out of the courts if he isnt trying to cover up something.
and still he has yet to produce his long form birth certificate if he even has one.
then there's this story





http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=165041

Hawaii elections clerk: Obama not born here
Official who oversaw ballots in 2008 race says hospital birth certificate non-existent
Posted: June 10, 2010
3:39 am Eastern

By Joe Kovacs
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

A college instructor who worked as senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.


Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for Honolulu, now teaches English at Western Kentucky University.
"There is no birth certificate," said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."

Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."

He says during the 2008 campaign when the issue of Obama's constitutional eligibility first arose, the elections office was inundated with requests to verify the birthplace of the U.S. senator from Illinois.

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"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."

At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.

"They told us, 'We don't have a birth certificate for him,'" he said. "They told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man's birth."

To date, no Hawaiian hospital has provided documented confirmation that Obama was born at its facility.


Copy of original long-form birth certificate of Susan Nordyke, born in Honolulu the day after Obama's reported birthdate. President Obama has never produced any document like this

WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.

"His title was senior elections clerk in 2008," said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.

Takahashi also confirmed Adams' time frame at the office from spring until the month of August.

"We hire temporary workers, because we're seasonal," he said.

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However, when WND asked Takahashi if the elections office could check on birth records, he said, "We don't have access to that kind of records. [There's] no access to birth records."

Adams responded, "They may say, 'We don't have access to that.' The regular workers don't, the ones processing ballots; but the people in administration do. I was the one overseeing the work of the people doing the balloting."

Adams stressed, "In my professional opinion, [Obama] definitely was not born in Hawaii. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he was not born in Hawaii because there is no legal record of him being born there. If someone called and asked about it, I could not tell them that person was born in the state."

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The White House has maintained a computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, or COLB, is proof enough of Obama's Hawaiian birth, even though it has no hospital or doctor's name on it. Such documents differ from a Certificate of Live Birth which includes those details. In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of Obama's short-form COLB, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images released by FactCheck.org.


This short-form Certification of Live Birth image, which is not the same as a long-form, hospital-generated Certificate of Live Birth, was released by the Obama campaign June 2008.

"Anyone can get that [Certification of Live Birth]," said Adams. "They are normally given if you give birth at home or while traveling overseas. We have a lot of Asian population [in Hawaii]. It's quite common for people to come back and get that."

When WND mentioned there were announcements of Obama's birth published in Hawaiian newspapers, Adams noted, "I'm sure the [maternal] grandparents were happy to put that in the paper when he got born."

But Adams says that doesn't necessarily mean he was actually born in Hawaii. While he's not 100 percent sure of Obama's true birthplace, he does think Kenya is a possibility, since his paternal grandmother stated that before allegedly being silenced by other family members.


Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii
Last month, as WND reported, Hawaii's Republican Gov. Linda Lingle reignited Obama's origin on a New York radio show.

"It's been an odd situation," Lingle said. "This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it's one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country.

"So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."

Although the governor now claims she issued a news release stating Kapi'olani is Obama's birthplace, the actual release said no such thing, making no reference to Kapi'olani nor any other specific location of Obama's birth.

WND asked Adams why the governor would make such assertions if a Hawaiian hospital-generated birth certificate did not exist.

"Why would they say they've seen it and not produce it? I don't know," he said. "If they said they've seen the document, then why not produce the document? There's no need to put themselves out like that. I can't even begin to think why they did that except for some kind of political expediency. I'm too far down the totem pole [to know]."

While Adams, who noted he spent nearly 10 years in the islands and has a bachelor's degree from the University of Hawaii, says he's certain Obama was not born there, he also does think the president is indeed a U.S. citizen, since his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham was an American.

He says he merely would like to see the truth come out and have the controversy over natural-born citizenship and presidential eligibility resolved once and for all.

"It's come to the point where it's a monster, and it's time to kill it," Adams said. "Solve the problem so that everyone can get back to cooperating to improve the country. People have lost sight that we're trying to make the country a better place."

He also feels some empathy for Obama, foreseeing what the president would potentially experience based on confirmation of his claims.

"You don't have to like President Obama," he said, "but it is sad that he's going to have to go through this public pillory by the time this all comes out, that they did cover this up; and that's sad because the first African-American man to become president shouldn't have this blight on his term in office. That's what he'll get remembered for. It's sad."

Adams says he's been telling other people his information for a long time, and he's free to talk about it publicly since he no longer has any confidentiality restrictions from his former employer, the Honolulu government. People started to pay attention this week after he was briefly interviewed by James Edwards, host of a weekly radio show on WLRM Radio in Memphis, Tenn.

As WND reported last July, the Kapi'olani Medical Center trumpeted – then later concealed – a letter allegedly written by President Obama in which he ostensibly declares his birth at the facility.


A photograph taken by the Kapi'olani Medical Center for WND shows a letter allegedly written by President Obama on embossed White House stationery in which he declares the Honolulu hospital to be "the place of my birth," The hospital, after publicizing the letter then refusing to confirm it even existed, is now vouching for its authenticity, but not its content. The White House has yet to verify any aspect of the letter.
"As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center – the place of my birth – I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters," Obama purportedly wrote.


This excerpt from the alleged Obama letter is perhaps the first formal declaration from the president about his exact birthplace. The White House has still not confirmed if the letter or its contents are authentic.
But the authenticity of that letter remains in doubt. Since WND raised questions about the veracity of the letter itself and its content, the White House has refused to say if the message is real and if its text originated with the president.

When WND correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Press Secretary Robert Gibbs about the letter at the July 13 news briefing, Gibbs dodged the question, refusing to confirm its authenticity while belittling Kinsolving for even posing the question.


Press Secretary Robert Gibbs refused to confirm the authenticity of the alleged Jan. 24, 2009, letter from President Obama to his purported place of birth, Kapi'olani Medical Center.
"Do all of your listeners and the listeners throughout this country the service to which any journalist owes those listeners, and that is the pursuit of the noble truth," Gibbs lectured Kinsolving. "And the noble truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America."

Since the medical center used the letter for a high-profile fundraising campaign in the Spring 2009 edition of its Inspire Magazine, the FBI and United States Secret Service said the matter could potentially lead to criminal prosecution were the letter determined to be fraudulent.

"It would be a charity-fraud scheme," said FBI spokesman Steve Kodak. "It would be investigated by us or the Secret Service. We both have jurisdiction over that."

WND also revealed the discovery by private investigators who say Obama is mysteriously using a Social Security Number that was issued in Connecticut, despite having worked in Hawaii as a teen and there being no mention of him living in Connecticut.

Meanwhile, Hawaii continues to get requests for release of Obama's hospital-generated birth certificate, leading state lawmakers to take action.

They passed a bill in April allowing any Hawaii department to ignore repeated inquiries for information from the same person, if the department already has responded within a year. Gov. Lingle signed it into law shortly after WND's report about her declaration on radio that Obama was born at Kapi'olani.

gimmesometruth27

ahhh birthers are back.....

with this little tidbit, this man has no credibility and he has every motive to perpetuate this story....

"Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."

WaveCameCrashin

You can draw that conclusion if you want to. I still think it's odd that Obama would spend over a million dollars to keep it out of the courts. I don't care what anybody thinks. Who in the hell spends that kind of money if they aren't trying to hide something ? NOBODY!!!!

and again he still has not shown his real birth certificate.A certificate of live birth is not the same..

You can call me a birther or whatever you want,but these are questions that need to be answered. I guarentee if it were a republican president you and the rest of the people that voted for Obama would be screaming about this.

otter

Is Obama a good American, being President of the United States and all? :?:

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

ahhh birthers are back.....

with this little tidbit, this man has no credibility and he has every motive to perpetuate this story....

"Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."

You assume way to much. How do you know he's not telling the truth or making it up. So if he would have voted for Obama you would believe him ? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

You can draw that conclusion if you want to. I still think it's odd that Obama would spend over a million dollars to keep it out of the courts. I don't care what anybody thinks. Who in the hell spends that kind of money if they aren't trying to hide something ? NOBODY!!!!

and again he still has not shown his real birth certificate.A certificate of live birth is not the same..

You can call me a birther or whatever you want,but these are questions that need to be answered. I guarentee if it were a republican president you and the rest of the people that voted for Obama would be screaming about this.

actually i would not be bitching if he was a republican. the election is settled and there are more pressing issues in the country right now than debating something that was settled nearly 2 years ago by an overwhelming majority of americans. the situation is what it is, and if people like you want to hold up progress by debating this issue rather than looking for solutions to real problems then there is no point in having any dialogue with the birthers. you people will do anything to discredit obama and this is just another fine example of that.