Does it matter if the President was born in Kenya?
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The Constitution says you only have to be a citizen of the U.S.
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I personally don't care, but if it's in the Constitution, then I believe we should follow it...otherwise Article two should be revised or amended.
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The Constitution reads:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office
of President;
That "or" is important
It's not hypothetical, it's a real question.
Remember...nobody knows where Obama was born especially Obama. How does anybody know? There Mom tells them. But Obama's Mom is dead.
If we find out that he was born in Kenya the we will have a Constitutional crissis in this country. Because some lawyer will make a humungus, gigantic deal about it.
Yes but at this point it's a bit late to do anything about it if that were true. This government of ours WILL find some way to cover it up and cover it well.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
or a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution....unless he's a vampire or cyborg he wasn't a citizen then.
but i could care less if he were born in kenya or wherever
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I sit there mouth agape in pure wonder that this is possibly somehow even still a concern for people. I mean I can't express enough how stunned I am that people actually still question and/or care about an issue that has been confirmed to death. It is truly unbelievable to me.
Then to wipe the spittle off my mouth I have to laugh and smile, cause really there is no other sane reaction to such lunacy.
P.S. I am not an Obama supporter, I think both parties are full of crap and it's hard to tell one from the other.
Isn't that what you really mean? He has a mother that was born in the US, HE was born in the US, but his father was from Kenya. :geek:
Muddled thinking is kinda ugly.
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Do the 'birthers' have a problem with that? Or is it that they just don't like Obama because he is black?
to anyone that believes obama was born in kenya i have a bridge i want to sell....highest bidder gets it...starting......NOW!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
the thing about it that gets me is their 'proof'....a newspaper announcement. his dad was Kenyan and most likely had family there so it would make sense there would be an announcement just as if his dad were French i'd expect to see an announcement in 1 of their papers. but even if obama happened to be born in Kenya it wouldn't make a difference to me because he would still be an american citizen from his mom and would have spent like 99% of his life here.
i think a lot of them just want a way to say they think he should be kicked out of office without looking like a bigot. he's an american citizen regardless where he was born, it wouldn't matter if he was born on the moon. i understand the constitution says natural born citizen and i can understand why at that time that was put in there but now? it's either bigotry or just sour partisan grapes
as for mccain/panama children born on military bases in other countries are still considered american citizens. actually i think they have dual citizenship until they are 18, but a child born to an american serving say in germany would be an american citizen. like if you have 2 parents with 2 different nationalities except i believe US military bases are considered US soil like an embassy
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
but yes it wouldnt matter to me if you weren't a natural born citizen. It would probably be a good thing.
Like hiring from outside a company to make real change.
I get that, but if you think Obama is bringing any kind of change (aside from the change of name from Republican president to Democrat president) you're crazy!
Obama was born in the US.....that is not what i was saying
Fact is the newspaper announcement doesn't say what hospital or city he was born in. The certificate is NOT a birth certificate. My birth certificate is as old as me and it has my little baby footprints on it. I have a certificate of live birth too. I needed it to get a passport.
Wake up!!!!
Nobody but Obama's Mommy can say for sure where he was born. Obama himself can't he was just a little new born at the time.
THERE ARE NO PRIMARY SOURCES!!!
Historians in the future will debate this. Why are yinz so afraid to question this man?
Presidential Requirements
The Constitution requires that a candidate for the presidency must be a "natural-born" citizen of the United States, at least 35 years of age, and a resident of the United States for at least 14 years.
Natural-Born
An understanding of the nation is essential for the role of President. The framers of the Constitution strongly believed that a person must be born in the United States in order to fully understand the country.
35 Years of Age
Personal experience was very important to the framers. They felt that unless a person had reached the age of thirty-five, it was highly unlikely for that person to have experienced enough to govern a nation.
14 Year Residency
Part of being President involves dealing with both domestic and foreign problems. In order to face these problems, previous knowledge of the nation's history in these matters is necessary. The framers decided that fourteen years was an adequate time span to comprehend these issues.
Prove to me right now that your "birth certificate" is real.
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Mine is as old as me. I can prove it because it has my little footprints on it.
i didn't vote for Obama or Bush and could really care less where either of them were born.
like i said, i can understand back in the time they wrote the constitution why they included that but now how would where you were born give you any more or less understanding of the country??
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Oh we don't know that. That could have been forged long ago. I have no reason to believe you, but I have every reason to believe your parents, delivering doctor, and the government are involved in a massive plot. I hate to inform you, but you're actually a French citizen. Until you provide photos of said certificate, video of you making ink foot prints of your feet, post those pictures so we can compare them. Until then...I don't believe anything.
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Viva La France!
I also like the idea that Eddie Vedder is actually Sarah Palin's brother. You can't prove to me he's not. So, until you can prove to me he's not, which you can't, I will continue with my belief that Eddie and Sarah like to shoot moose together because it is a family bondage practice. You can't dismiss the idea of of the beauty and importance of bondage between brother and sister any more than you can dismiss the idea the importance of bondage between and mother and child, just like wise President Bush said.
And, by the way. How do we know Bush could be president? I have never personally seen Bush's original certificate. We just have some suspicious people's word on the certificate and picture of a copy of a reproduction that could have been forged long ago. Bush was not a natural-born citizen, I'm absolutely positive. How could America have produced someone like him?
your first post was all omygosh who cares :roll:
second post i just quoted.
third post.....
why didn't you just say that to start with? instead of all this ohmygosh who cares rubbish :roll: :roll:, because you clearly care.
I think it's funny that you think the question hasn't been asked. The republican governor of Hawaii confirmed it. He has produced the certificate of life birth which is all Hawaii uses.
The certificate of live birth is all you need to produce. The "birth certificate" you have with your little feet on it has as much merit as your 3rd grade spelling bee certificate of participation.
I prefer "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son." courtesy of Dean Vernon Wormer.
This ones good too.
Dean Vernon Wormer: Well, well, well. Looks like somebody forgot there's a rule against alcoholic beverages in fraternities on probation!
Otter: What a tool.
Dean Vernon Wormer: I didn't get that, son, what was that?
Otter: Uh, I said, "What a shame that a few bad apples have to spoil a good time for everyone by breaking the rules."
Dean Vernon Wormer: Put a sock in it, boy, or else you'll be outta here like shit through a goose.
My personal favorite motto: Shit happens when you party naked.
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8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
That's one theory, another theory is that the founders of the United States of America didn't want particular foreigners (i.e. Kings of various European countries) taking over the country and ruling from a distance.