ACL ...unimpressed

PRL1JAM

Just curious if any of you listened to the broadcast through an audio receiver/ home theater speakers, as opposed to just the standard TV speakers?

This is how I listened to it and I thought it sounded pretty good. However, I have not tried listening to the performance without the enhancements of a digital audio receiver, so I have not noticed the "poor quality" audio as of yet.

PJ Fan est. 1990

12345AGNST1 wrote:

Gmoney wrote:

im sorry, i always try to be positive and kind on the porch- but i have to say this, if you have any complaints about that performance you're an idiot. i watched it online, MAYBE there was a difference on tv, but jeff and stone sounded great online and that may have been one of the best pearl jam performances ive ever seen, unreal.

Im listening to it online and the first thing I noticed in the fixer was how I could actually hear jeffs bass in it. I heard stone fine in amongst the waves too.

so then it's official, the internet is mixed better than it was on TV...i'll have to check it out, but being a college student, duty calls and have to write a 6 page paper with annotated bibliography, so no time to check it out for a few days till i get it done, it's bad enough i'm procrastinating with this.

PJ Fan est. 1990

beautifullife wrote:

Just curious if any of you listened to the broadcast through an audio receiver/ home theater speakers, as opposed to just the standard TV speakers?

This is how I listened to it and I thought it sounded pretty good. However, I have not tried listening to the performance without the enhancements of a digital audio receiver, so I have not noticed the "poor quality" audio as of yet.

i wonder if there was a difference between watching it on the HD station as opposed to the SD station, i don't have HD on my personal bedroom TV which is where i watched it

Gmoney

PJ Fan est. 1990 wrote:

12345AGNST1 wrote:

Gmoney wrote:

im sorry, i always try to be positive and kind on the porch- but i have to say this, if you have any complaints about that performance you're an idiot. i watched it online, MAYBE there was a difference on tv, but jeff and stone sounded great online and that may have been one of the best pearl jam performances ive ever seen, unreal.

Im listening to it online and the first thing I noticed in the fixer was how I could actually hear jeffs bass in it. I heard stone fine in amongst the waves too.

so then it's official, the internet is mixed better than it was on TV...i'll have to check it out, but being a college student, duty calls and have to write a 6 page paper with annotated bibliography, so no time to check it out for a few days till i get it done, it's bad enough i'm procrastinating with this.

Hey im sorry man, I didnt mean to call you an idiot... im sure the online mix was different than tv. i was a little drunk and totally inspired by watching acl online late last night... opinion on sound makes no one an idiot.

mca47

Just watched the web stream and I thought it was decent.

Ed looks, or SOUNDS like he needs a vacation. Wow, so of those notes were harsh!

I agree on the audio mix. Stone, and Jeff really needed to be turned up.

While it may not have been the most epic performance ever, it was still PJ and I enjoyed it.

bootlegger10

gonzo wrote:

PJ Fan est. 1990 wrote:

so far from what i've seen, PJ are doing great jobs, but the sound board is mixed horribly, too much emphasis on mike, not enough stone or jeff...you don't hear the crowd at all, a PJ live performance seems naked without being able to hear the crowd, it feels like it's a guitar a singer and a drummer jamming in a practice space, again from what i've seen PJ is putting on a great show, but this broadcast is not doing them justice

I completely agree. I'm draughting an email to PBS or ACL or whoever let that horrible sound mix on TV and asking that they fix the sound mix and re-air the program at once, with an apology to the band and the fans.
I'm thinking of putting it up here first to gather e-signatures.
Who's with me?

I'm not. The last part of ACL was Ed meeting with some of the military vets who had parts of their bodies blown off. You know, real problems? Takes balls to email PBS asking for an apology for the sound quality on your tv of a free broadcast that was filmed in front of military veterans to bring some joy to their lives. You did not pay for this event. Let Pearl Jam worry about the sound quality.

I have a 10 year old 19 inch tv and you know what I texted to a buddy after the show was over? "We are lucky to have found this band." You should be sending pbs a check, not an angry email from a spoiled fan.

SolarWorld

People that are overly critical of this band never cease to amaze me. One of the greatest rock bands ever with one of the most talented front men rock has ever seen could give two shits what some douche bags on the internet think about the "mixing" and "ed doesnt sound 24 anymore, whhaaa whaaa". Shut up... really. IMO just because you are an "uber fan" you don't have the right to talk shit on their "porch".

Vedderhead1

Bootlegger +100
Solar World +100

Thanks....

JBii

I liked it, even though it was different and what a great way to end a saturday night.
Actually watched it twice but fell asleep during the second time around.

Ledbetterman10

PJ Fan est. 1990 wrote:

so far from what i've seen, PJ are doing great jobs, but the sound board is mixed horribly, too much emphasis on mike, not enough stone or jeff...you don't hear the crowd at all, a PJ live performance seems naked without being able to hear the crowd, it feels like it's a guitar a singer and a drummer jamming in a practice space, again from what i've seen PJ is putting on a great show, but this broadcast is not doing them justice

Here's a pretty good mix of it that you might want to check out: http://wegotshit.blogspot.com/2009/11/a ... 00309.html

PJ Fan est. 1990

Gmoney wrote:

PJ Fan est. 1990 wrote:

12345AGNST1 wrote:

Im listening to it online and the first thing I noticed in the fixer was how I could actually hear jeffs bass in it. I heard stone fine in amongst the waves too.

so then it's official, the internet is mixed better than it was on TV...i'll have to check it out, but being a college student, duty calls and have to write a 6 page paper with annotated bibliography, so no time to check it out for a few days till i get it done, it's bad enough i'm procrastinating with this.

Hey im sorry man, I didnt mean to call you an idiot... im sure the online mix was different than tv. i was a little drunk and totally inspired by watching acl online late last night... opinion on sound makes no one an idiot.

You're forgiven, alcohol can do that to you

but to those who are bitching about me bitching...

i'm not downing this band at all. from what i could hear, the performance was awesome. i've made an emphasis on that point. it's the mixing...those of you bitching to me, you must have watched it on the internet, cause Stone's guitar was practically silent, ***SILENT*** on TV. that's where i'm complaining...not the band, not the performance, it's the broadcast. how would you like it if you're watching to PJ on TV and ed's mic isn't audible?

Biggest Wave

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

PJ Fan est. 1990 wrote:

so far from what i've seen, PJ are doing great jobs, but the sound board is mixed horribly, too much emphasis on mike, not enough stone or jeff...you don't hear the crowd at all, a PJ live performance seems naked without being able to hear the crowd, it feels like it's a guitar a singer and a drummer jamming in a practice space, again from what i've seen PJ is putting on a great show, but this broadcast is not doing them justice

Here's a pretty good mix of it that you might want to check out: http://wegotshit.blogspot.com/2009/11/a ... 00309.html

That's the same audio that I listened to a month ago.
The mix is better, but it still doesn't fix Ed's voice on the high notes.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

its a tv show. all ACL's sound like that. it was fine.

ryph raph

This band does not "come across" on TV. Led Zeppelin did'nt like doing television for this same reason.

mrpink90

Eddie's voice on The End.....yikes, painful to listen to

mca47

SolarWorld wrote:

People that are overly critical of this band never cease to amaze me. One of the greatest rock bands ever with one of the most talented front men rock has ever seen could give two shits what some douche bags on the internet think about the "mixing" and "ed doesnt sound 24 anymore, whhaaa whaaa". Shut up... really. IMO just because you are an "uber fan" you don't have the right to talk shit on their "porch".

So us "douche bags" can never criticize anything we see from the band? Really?

Seems to me the band would be supportive of an open debate. Then again, I suppose I am an "uber fan" and should just shut up...



Worst post of the month award goes to SolarWorld :thumbup:

Ledbetterman10

SolarWorld wrote:

IMO just because you are an "uber fan" you don't have the right to talk shit on their "porch".

I don't know what an "uber fan" is but I think the $20 fanclub membership fee you pay every year gives you the right to say whatever you want on their "porch"

Wobbie

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

You dont hear the crowd because there was nothing to hear, I was at the live simulcast and the audio was amazing, those people were not fans, 99% where people the knew people and thats how they got the tkts, the lady that sold my friends her tkt didn't know anything about their music she was taking her mother who had never heard of Pearl Jam... there were like 3 true fans in there, 2 of them were friends of mine and the other girl was the one in front row wearing the PJ shirt... so really there was 0 crowd participation.

That crowd was fucking Pathetic, with a capital P :wtf: . Really, it was painful to watch. Quite the opposite of the Ed Sullivan Theater show. Thank god Mrs.Vedder's two friends were there ! At one point, you'll see some d**che, sitting down, arms folded and patting one shoulder for his version of applause. During Porch, you can see Ed waiting for the usual crowd response but quickly realizing it's not coming. He shoulda gone off on their lame asses, circa 1992

I thought the show was great......especially after they got that Backspacer dreck out of the way :shock: :shock: .

Isaac

AtlantaJammer wrote:

you don't hear the crowd at all, a PJ live performance seems naked without being able to hear the crowd

Its because it was an uncovered outdoor show. Just like the Bonnaroo show. Listen to the boot. Crowd noise was almost non exsistant. But I was there, and it was loud as all hell... The mix of the strings though isnt soo good...

Ok if you were at ACL you would know that ACL (TV) isn't outside... it is in a studio on the 6th floor of a building. Anyway, just had to say that.

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Shifting gears... I was at the taping and during the performance I remarked to my friend that the sound was the best I had heard live (been to 15 PJ shows... Ed @ the Ryman might have sounded better but it wasn't PJ). Perhaps that clear and full sound didn't translate to TV... but yeah, live it was great.

As far as the crowd goes... it wasn't a typical PJ crowd, there wasn't a whole lot of singing along or pogoing. I attributed it to the snobbish and spoiled Austin crowd.

Wobbie

Isaac wrote:

AtlantaJammer wrote:

Its because it was an uncovered outdoor show. Just like the Bonnaroo show. Listen to the boot. Crowd noise was almost non exsistant. But I was there, and it was loud as all hell... The mix of the strings though isnt soo good...

Ok if you were at ACL you would know that ACL (TV) isn't outside... it is in a studio on the 6th floor of a building. Anyway, just had to say that.

he meant he was at Bonnaroo.

gonzo wrote:

I completely agree. I'm draughting an email to PBS or ACL or whoever let that horrible sound mix on TV and asking that they fix the sound mix and re-air the program at once, with an apology to the band and the fans.
I'm thinking of putting it up here first to gather e-signatures.
Who's with me?

Please tell me you're joking. Please. :shh: