Color me shocked that a Kings of Leon thread turned into a debate about "selling out" :roll:
Like many, I don't enjoy the new album as much as their previous efforts, but I still think they're a kick ass band. I've seen them live 4 times, and they put on a good show. My only complaint is that they don't change up their sets enough (obviously being spoiled by PJ). They have a great catalog of songs they could play, but generally stick to the same 22-23 songs.
I'm excited to get the DVD. Is there any extra/bonus footage, or is just the show?
are you people hard headed or something. that london show you went to was over a year ago. this OBTN album caught on hardcore the middle of this past summer. so you would not have seen any 15 year olds plus you were in london. completely different crowd and acceptence to kol overseas than in the states. they are great no doubt , but bottom line they were better when they were happy being successful in the Uk and not worrying about being atop the Us charts. the US in general has very poor taste in music. dont like what im saying then look at the top of the charts for sales here in america for general and rock. bands like staind or 3 doors down and the new creed album are the ones dominating the charts.
If it's the latest DVD which is Live at the O2 it was from June 2009. The 30th June I believe.
As I said earlier a load of older people.
I also saw them November 08 and the crowd again had a load of over 30s plus believe it or not some over 60s.
DVD Description
Kings of Leon: Live At The O2 London, England, captures, up-close and personal, the band performing in front of 18,000 fans on one of a three-night stint in June 2009 in London.
This is about KOL not PJ, plus YL is the last song not the entire encore.
I'm a fan of KOL but imo the choice of encore was poor (not that the individual songs were poor but just didn't feel like a climax), on the other hand (as you mention it) I have never been disappointed with a PJ encore.
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meh. kol have sold out for me. if i see this on tv i'll watch it; i don't think i'll buy it though.
"sellout" - a band who writes catchy songs on their fourth album....
give me a break!!!
they sold out.
band that writes catchy tunes is one thing... the new album IS great.
But... then they flood with singles, videos, festivals, interviews... well that's one thing too... we'll call it "not quite selling out.. but getting close"...
NOW THEY'RE RELEASING THEIR OWN CLOTHING LINE....
SOLD!
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I've never seen a performance of these guys that actually proves they are a good band. I like alotta the tunes, they just come off as really half assed in the stuff I've seen and heard.
agreed... i saw them in Toronto for their first official main act "Arena Show".
very half assed... their music is good... don't get me wrong.. but they are light years away from being a great rock band.
it's a shame too. Because they had all the right stepping stones in front of them.... damn shame.
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picture quality is amazing, cool camera angles, doesn't cut to a different shot every half second (like a certain band's Italy DVD...) reminds me a lot of the Last Waltz in terms of film quality...maybe also cuz Caleb is rockin a beard like 1970s Eric Clapton
songs sound GREAT....songs from the first album sound SOOOOO much better here....he actually SINGS the words in an understandable way instead of shrieking them like he does on the first album...its like the songs of the first album with his singing voice of the latest album
the band sounds amazing, like they have improved light years since the first album...Red Morning Light in particular kicks ass!!!
and it has Cold Desert on it....what more do you need to know?
Just bought this today and agreee 100%..
I like the "last waltz" type film grade too!
good call..
and California waiting is performed too!
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Color me shocked that a Kings of Leon thread turned into a debate about "selling out" :roll:
Like many, I don't enjoy the new album as much as their previous efforts, but I still think they're a kick ass band. I've seen them live 4 times, and they put on a good show. My only complaint is that they don't change up their sets enough (obviously being spoiled by PJ). They have a great catalog of songs they could play, but generally stick to the same 22-23 songs.
I'm excited to get the DVD. Is there any extra/bonus footage, or is just the show?
I agree, I was hoping this thread was going to be actually about the DVD, but yeah, again about them selling out. and I agree, we are all spolied with PJ
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some of you folks remind me of the musical elitism from the characters in "High Fidelity"...
I scratch my head listening to the amazingly soulful vocals on songs like "Closer" and fail to see what's "sell out"
got to do with it... this band is very talented...amd original in their songs..
I have yet to hear someone say a KOL song is a rip-off of anyone...
think about that..
but if you feel that way... again, please don't get tickets in the future... more for me and my "shallow" American idol watching friends..
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I just picked up the dvd last night and though I did not give a proper watch all the way through I was very impressed with it....the sound, the filming and the setlist. Look forward to watching it straight tonight as I enjoy a few tasty beverages.
As for the debate about them selling out:
I am one of those who don't like the album as much as their others, but I still think it is a very good album. I prefer my KoL to be more rockin' and while it seems quite obvious they were going for a more poppy, top 40 radio sound both musically and lyrically, this is a band that released three albums with little to no success in the states so more power to them if they want to make a grab at a wider audience. I was thinking about it watching the dvd last night because I looked in the crowd, saw quite a few young faces who probably never gave them a listen before Sex on Fire hit the radio, but then I realized those folks were singing along with all the songs. They've at least familiarized themselves with the older stuff, so its not all just a passing pop faze maybe. The thing that concerns me about the direction they took on the album is that with greater success they will delve even further into it and move even further away from their rocking roots.
My best friend and constant companion is a female, 24 years old (I'm 32 year old dude) and I had tried to get her to truly listen to them for a while and she never would really give them a chance. She is one of the ones who now loves them, as do at least a couple of her friends, and she has also become a huge fan of their other stuff because of it.
When the album came out I was one of its most harshest critics, but its good and it has opened more of the world to the band, so we'll just have to see where it takes them in the future. It's a lot easier to do whatever the hell you truly want to do as a band once you have gained acceptance by a wide audience. PJ hooked me and after that I wouldn't have cared (well maybe overstating a bit here) if they recorded a polka album...but you see my point maybe.
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hi, i'm the one who started this thread...wanted to talk about the DVD, but that hasn't really happened, has it?!?!?!
as far as the sell out talk, i'm 32 years old, and that doesn't really mean anything to me anymore....even Eddie Vedder has let go of that high school mentality
oh, and to anyone who doubts that a Pearl Jam show is indeed a sauage fest of the highest order, check out this video showing Eddie's view from the stage in Philly:
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hi, i'm the one who started this thread...wanted to talk about the DVD, but that hasn't really happened, has it?!?!?!
as far as the sell out talk, i'm 32 years old, and that doesn't really mean anything to me anymore....even Eddie Vedder has let go of that high school mentality
oh, and to anyone who doubts that a Pearl Jam show is indeed a sauage fest of the highest order, check out this video showing Eddie's view from the stage in Philly:
i love KOL. sell outs? sure. i could care less. only reason i wont buy this is cause i tend to have a short attention span for music dvds and ill probably never sit and watch the whole thing.
i really dont care if they sold out either. i just hate their recent musical direction. i tried so hard to get into OBTN, but in the end i just did not like it.
ps i do have the dvd in queue from netflix though.
Well I watched it all the way through last night and thoroughly enjoyed it from start to finish.
Though it comes off as a tad bit contrived and over dramatic, I like the part when caleb thanks "you people" because they wouldn't be a band now without them....which is true as far as I can tell. I actually bought youth and young manhood right after its release based on the good things I read about it on nme.com
Love Black Thumbnail as the closer because it is probably my favorite song of theirs post-Y&YM.
California Waiting, Molly's Chambers and Red Morning Light have held up very well....many disagree but their first album is a classic in my book
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I like KOL and enjoy ALL of the albums. I will also probably buy the blu-ray when it comes out. Having said that, when KOL came to Council Bluffs Caleb was in an awful, bitchy mood and what did we get for an encore? Knocked Up and Use Somebody. What a let down. No Black Thumbnail and closing with Use Somebody? WTF? I am still seething over his prima donna act, but I still like them and will give them another chance. My wife is even more pissed than I am and I have to remind her that Eddie has bad nights and can get crabby too. :P
but bitchin' about KOL encores is a tad over-the-top considering PJ uses about three of the same songs for their encores almost every tour..
YL, RITFW and Baba..
Just sayin'..
Ya know?
If you are referring to my post I clearly didn't make my point. I was bitchin' about Caleb's bitchin'. It was a very disappointing show and the ending made it more so since we didn't get the typical encore. He was clearly pissed when he left the stage. BTW, I really like KOL and tire of the selling out talk too, but I can be disappointed in a performance can't I?
It started with his sound crew. He was clearly unhappy with the results. Nathan was also unhappy and kept chucking drumsticks at the sound crew located side stage. I think (and of course, I am not certain) the last straw for Caleb is he was unhappy with the crowd during an attempted sing along during Knocked Up. After the song was over the band conversed and they played Use Somebody and then walked off the stage. Later we learned that Manhattan and Black Thumbnail were on the encore set list, but not played (not sure how people know this). It was bewildering. We don't get many name bands in the Midwest and for us this was our only impression of KOL live. Probably even more disappointing because we were on a high from experiencing PJ's Chicago performance on 8/24/2009. My first time seeing them after following them since the beginning........ Man, come to think of it, I am still on a high.
I don't think it's a first for him. I've read stories on the KoL message board about him getting visibly upset with the US crowds.
There was one in particular, at a show within the last couple months. I think it was after Use Somebody, during the encore, and a large portion of the crowd started filling up the aisles, heading towards the exit. Apparently, Caleb got pretty upset and made a comment about all of the Sex on Fire fans. I guess he then started to play the beginning of Sex on Fire, and a bunch of the people that were leaving turned around, started to cheer, and headed back to their seats. Caleb made another comment and the band left the stage.
I may have some of the details mixed up. I'll try and see if I can find the story.
I know during the Boston show in April he made a comment how he appreciates the support they get, and wanted to remind people that they did have other songs out before Sex on Fire. I think they've worked really hard to get where they are, and while they are probably loving the popularity they've gotten, I think they would also prefer to be recognized for how great their previous albums are.
It started with his sound crew. He was clearly unhappy with the results. Nathan was also unhappy and kept chucking drumsticks at the sound crew located side stage. I think (and of course, I am not certain) the last straw for Caleb is he was unhappy with the crowd during an attempted sing along during Knocked Up. After the song was over the band conversed and they played Use Somebody and then walked off the stage. Later we learned that Manhattan and Black Thumbnail were on the encore set list, but not played (not sure how people know this). It was bewildering. We don't get many name bands in the Midwest and for us this was our only impression of KOL live. Probably even more disappointing because we were on a high from experiencing PJ's Chicago performance on 8/24/2009. My first time seeing them after following them since the beginning........ Man, come to think of it, I am still on a high.
that's a bummer. i saw kol in chicago on halloween the year before and they were excellent i thought. but then, everyone's in a good mood on halloween. also tough given how close it was to pj... i don't even know if pj is my fav band anymore, but they truly have almost no peers live. so i think kol was bound to be a bit underwhelming on the heels of pj.
that said, i can see his behavior being a problem. i saw muse at lolla a few years back and they were having all kinds of equipment problems and you could tell the band was pissed off and frustrated, so it was a huge letdown as a live show. esp becos you always hear about how great muse is live...
latest album full of ballads and top 40 garbage
shaving beards and going with the clean cut, boy band look (skinny jeans included)
rumors of a remix album including Linkin Park (please tell me this is false!!!)
their own clothing line
if that doesn't define sellout, I don't know what does.
for me it's extremely disappointing. their first two albums are two of my favorites, but they are on a downward trend. they had so much potential before they got all caught up in becoming famous...kind of ironic, it's almost the opposite of what happened to PJ in their early years...
disappointing is the best way to sum it up
also, I saw them at MSG and the spectrum last year. the crowds didn't know the old stuff at all. then sex on fire or use somebody would start and the arenas would erupt. terrible.
Charmer = worst vocals of all time (and they frequent that song in their encores!!!!)
meh. kol have sold out for me. if i see this on tv i'll watch it; i don't think i'll buy it though.
For real...I'll leave the copies for those trendy 15 year old fucks who have no idea of their early material... :roll:
Hopefully they break the mold after making their last record...
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1) Ed hated the band's spotlight in the mainstream after "Vs" and virtually hid the band under a rug for a whole year.
2) How many times has Ed got pissed with a crowd? (LOTS) and cut the setlist short?
3) Haircuts and clean shaven (see Riot Act tour 2003)
4) Diva moments upset with stage crew (As recent as 6/28/08, Ed tossed a on stage cooling fan and stopped singing "Black" pouting that he couldn't get his roadie's attention. (listen to the boot if you question it)
5) New sound on latest album? (Have you HEARD the Fixer folks???)
6) Young kids in the crowd... CHECK!
AND.. on one hand you critisize KOL for having young teens in the crowd and then rank on Caleb for resenting the EXACT SAME thing!
Honestly, I could go on all day with this stuff...
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1) Ed hated the band's spotlight in the mainstream after "Vs" and virtually hid the band under a rug for a whole year.
2) How many times has Ed got pissed with a crowd? (LOTS) and cut the setlist short?
3) Haircuts and clean shaven (see Riot Act tour 2003)
4) Diva moments upset with stage crew (As recent as 6/28/08, Ed tossed a on stage cooling fan and stopped singing "Black" pouting that he couldn't get his roadie's attention. (listen to the boot if you question it)
5) New sound on latest album? (Have you HEARD the Fixer folks???)
6) Young kids in the crowd... CHECK!
AND.. on one hand you critisize KOL for having young teens in the crowd and then rank on Caleb for resenting the EXACT SAME thing!
Honestly, I could go on all day with this stuff...
KOL will never be as great as Pearl Jam is...Pearl Jam as a band has personality...don't see KOL with that...
just sayin'
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I don't think it's a first for him. I've read stories on the KoL message board about him getting visibly upset with the US crowds.
There was one in particular, at a show within the last couple months. I think it was after Use Somebody, during the encore, and a large portion of the crowd started filling up the aisles, heading towards the exit. Apparently, Caleb got pretty upset and made a comment about all of the Sex on Fire fans. I guess he then started to play the beginning of Sex on Fire, and a bunch of the people that were leaving turned around, started to cheer, and headed back to their seats. Caleb made another comment and the band left the stage.
I may have some of the details mixed up. I'll try and see if I can find the story.
I know during the Boston show in April he made a comment how he appreciates the support they get, and wanted to remind people that they did have other songs out before Sex on Fire. I think they've worked really hard to get where they are, and while they are probably loving the popularity they've gotten, I think they would also prefer to be recognized for how great their previous albums are.
I saw them in Brisbane at the start of the year (my 3rd time) and Caleb was pissed with the crowd because the majority of the crowd was wating for SOF and Use Somebody. They played a heap of songs off the first 3 albums and only 4 off their latest, which was great for me. But , I really like their new album too. I think Closer, Cold desert and crawl are some of their best work. I think they will strip it back a bit for their next album as I don't think they are in love with the crowds they are now getting at their gigs, but that is what happens when you become popular.
I also don't see what the issue is with a band striving for success- Don't most bands want to be the "biggest band in the world" when they start out? Good luck to them. If you don't like their music- why waste your time telling people about it. There are heaps of bands that I can't stand, but then there are probably more people that can't stand PJ
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compared to say "YL" or RITFW"?
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Like many, I don't enjoy the new album as much as their previous efforts, but I still think they're a kick ass band. I've seen them live 4 times, and they put on a good show. My only complaint is that they don't change up their sets enough (obviously being spoiled by PJ). They have a great catalog of songs they could play, but generally stick to the same 22-23 songs.
I'm excited to get the DVD. Is there any extra/bonus footage, or is just the show?
As I said earlier a load of older people.
I also saw them November 08 and the crowd again had a load of over 30s plus believe it or not some over 60s.
DVD Description
Kings of Leon: Live At The O2 London, England, captures, up-close and personal, the band performing in front of 18,000 fans on one of a three-night stint in June 2009 in London.
What?
This is about KOL not PJ, plus YL is the last song not the entire encore.
I'm a fan of KOL but imo the choice of encore was poor (not that the individual songs were poor but just didn't feel like a climax), on the other hand (as you mention it) I have never been disappointed with a PJ encore.
Folks these days just don't do nothing simple for the love of it
they sold out.
band that writes catchy tunes is one thing... the new album IS great.
But... then they flood with singles, videos, festivals, interviews... well that's one thing too... we'll call it "not quite selling out.. but getting close"...
NOW THEY'RE RELEASING THEIR OWN CLOTHING LINE....
SOLD!
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agreed... i saw them in Toronto for their first official main act "Arena Show".
very half assed... their music is good... don't get me wrong.. but they are light years away from being a great rock band.
it's a shame too. Because they had all the right stepping stones in front of them.... damn shame.
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Just bought this today and agreee 100%..
I like the "last waltz" type film grade too!
good call..
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I scratch my head listening to the amazingly soulful vocals on songs like "Closer" and fail to see what's "sell out"
got to do with it... this band is very talented...amd original in their songs..
I have yet to hear someone say a KOL song is a rip-off of anyone...
think about that..
but if you feel that way... again, please don't get tickets in the future... more for me and my "shallow" American idol watching friends..
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As for the debate about them selling out:
I am one of those who don't like the album as much as their others, but I still think it is a very good album. I prefer my KoL to be more rockin' and while it seems quite obvious they were going for a more poppy, top 40 radio sound both musically and lyrically, this is a band that released three albums with little to no success in the states so more power to them if they want to make a grab at a wider audience. I was thinking about it watching the dvd last night because I looked in the crowd, saw quite a few young faces who probably never gave them a listen before Sex on Fire hit the radio, but then I realized those folks were singing along with all the songs. They've at least familiarized themselves with the older stuff, so its not all just a passing pop faze maybe. The thing that concerns me about the direction they took on the album is that with greater success they will delve even further into it and move even further away from their rocking roots.
My best friend and constant companion is a female, 24 years old (I'm 32 year old dude) and I had tried to get her to truly listen to them for a while and she never would really give them a chance. She is one of the ones who now loves them, as do at least a couple of her friends, and she has also become a huge fan of their other stuff because of it.
When the album came out I was one of its most harshest critics, but its good and it has opened more of the world to the band, so we'll just have to see where it takes them in the future. It's a lot easier to do whatever the hell you truly want to do as a band once you have gained acceptance by a wide audience. PJ hooked me and after that I wouldn't have cared (well maybe overstating a bit here) if they recorded a polka album...but you see my point maybe.
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
as far as the sell out talk, i'm 32 years old, and that doesn't really mean anything to me anymore....even Eddie Vedder has let go of that high school mentality
oh, and to anyone who doubts that a Pearl Jam show is indeed a sauage fest of the highest order, check out this video showing Eddie's view from the stage in Philly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFypyjFvMH0
geesh--I agree....I, for one, really couldn't care less about them "selling out"....I was interested in the DVD and appreciate your opinion!!!
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ps i do have the dvd in queue from netflix though.
Though it comes off as a tad bit contrived and over dramatic, I like the part when caleb thanks "you people" because they wouldn't be a band now without them....which is true as far as I can tell. I actually bought youth and young manhood right after its release based on the good things I read about it on nme.com
Love Black Thumbnail as the closer because it is probably my favorite song of theirs post-Y&YM.
California Waiting, Molly's Chambers and Red Morning Light have held up very well....many disagree but their first album is a classic in my book
GET THIS DVD!!!!
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
but bitchin' about KOL encores is a tad over-the-top considering PJ uses about three of the same songs for their encores almost every tour..
YL, RITFW and Baba..
Just sayin'..
Ya know?
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If you are referring to my post I clearly didn't make my point. I was bitchin' about Caleb's bitchin'. It was a very disappointing show and the ending made it more so since we didn't get the typical encore. He was clearly pissed when he left the stage. BTW, I really like KOL and tire of the selling out talk too, but I can be disappointed in a performance can't I?
what was he pisssed aboout?
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I don't think it's a first for him. I've read stories on the KoL message board about him getting visibly upset with the US crowds.
There was one in particular, at a show within the last couple months. I think it was after Use Somebody, during the encore, and a large portion of the crowd started filling up the aisles, heading towards the exit. Apparently, Caleb got pretty upset and made a comment about all of the Sex on Fire fans. I guess he then started to play the beginning of Sex on Fire, and a bunch of the people that were leaving turned around, started to cheer, and headed back to their seats. Caleb made another comment and the band left the stage.
I may have some of the details mixed up. I'll try and see if I can find the story.
I know during the Boston show in April he made a comment how he appreciates the support they get, and wanted to remind people that they did have other songs out before Sex on Fire. I think they've worked really hard to get where they are, and while they are probably loving the popularity they've gotten, I think they would also prefer to be recognized for how great their previous albums are.
that's a bummer. i saw kol in chicago on halloween the year before and they were excellent i thought. but then, everyone's in a good mood on halloween. also tough given how close it was to pj... i don't even know if pj is my fav band anymore, but they truly have almost no peers live. so i think kol was bound to be a bit underwhelming on the heels of pj.
that said, i can see his behavior being a problem. i saw muse at lolla a few years back and they were having all kinds of equipment problems and you could tell the band was pissed off and frustrated, so it was a huge letdown as a live show. esp becos you always hear about how great muse is live...
latest album full of ballads and top 40 garbage
shaving beards and going with the clean cut, boy band look (skinny jeans included)
rumors of a remix album including Linkin Park (please tell me this is false!!!)
their own clothing line
if that doesn't define sellout, I don't know what does.
for me it's extremely disappointing. their first two albums are two of my favorites, but they are on a downward trend. they had so much potential before they got all caught up in becoming famous...kind of ironic, it's almost the opposite of what happened to PJ in their early years...
disappointing is the best way to sum it up
also, I saw them at MSG and the spectrum last year. the crowds didn't know the old stuff at all. then sex on fire or use somebody would start and the arenas would erupt. terrible.
Charmer = worst vocals of all time (and they frequent that song in their encores!!!!)
For real...I'll leave the copies for those trendy 15 year old fucks who have no idea of their early material... :roll:
Hopefully they break the mold after making their last record...
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
You folks don't even realize it...
1) Ed hated the band's spotlight in the mainstream after "Vs" and virtually hid the band under a rug for a whole year.
2) How many times has Ed got pissed with a crowd? (LOTS) and cut the setlist short?
3) Haircuts and clean shaven (see Riot Act tour 2003)
4) Diva moments upset with stage crew (As recent as 6/28/08, Ed tossed a on stage cooling fan and stopped singing "Black" pouting that he couldn't get his roadie's attention. (listen to the boot if you question it)
5) New sound on latest album? (Have you HEARD the Fixer folks???)
6) Young kids in the crowd... CHECK!
AND.. on one hand you critisize KOL for having young teens in the crowd and then rank on Caleb for resenting the EXACT SAME thing!
Honestly, I could go on all day with this stuff...
EV intro to Chloe Dancer / Crown of Thorns
10/25/13 Hartford
KOL will never be as great as Pearl Jam is...Pearl Jam as a band has personality...don't see KOL with that...
just sayin'
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
just sayin'[/quote]
sooooooooooo not the point...
EV intro to Chloe Dancer / Crown of Thorns
10/25/13 Hartford
"trendy 15 year old fucks"
HAHAHA....great line, man. So true though....I'm 26 and when I saw them at Lolla, I felt like a fucking Grandpa.
I saw them in Brisbane at the start of the year (my 3rd time) and Caleb was pissed with the crowd because the majority of the crowd was wating for SOF and Use Somebody. They played a heap of songs off the first 3 albums and only 4 off their latest, which was great for me. But , I really like their new album too. I think Closer, Cold desert and crawl are some of their best work. I think they will strip it back a bit for their next album as I don't think they are in love with the crowds they are now getting at their gigs, but that is what happens when you become popular.
I also don't see what the issue is with a band striving for success- Don't most bands want to be the "biggest band in the world" when they start out? Good luck to them. If you don't like their music- why waste your time telling people about it. There are heaps of bands that I can't stand, but then there are probably more people that can't stand PJ
*BEC, Brisbane, March 1995
*BEC, Brisbane, March 1998
*BEC, Brisbane, November 2006
*QSAC, Brisbane November 2009
*EV Solo, QPAC, Brisbane March 10 and 12 2011
*Big Day Out, Gold Coast, 19 Jan 2014
*EV Solo, QPAC, Brisbane, 22,23 & 25 Feb 2014