The Official New York Yankees Thread

polaris_x

RW81233 wrote:

well this is the thing...if you tell the truth, in the present moment, you are totally fucked. why not just open it up, and let everyone be honest with what they are doing. i mean aaron and mays were amphetamined up, mike schmidt same, the 85 mets and 79 pirates were coke fiends, and we celebrate these teams and players. why? because we really don't care...so i say stop pretending.

sure ... but then why not allow aluminum bats? ... corked bats? ... we'd get more home runs and that's the only thing that matters right? ... why not let pitchers scuff the ball and apply shit ... they are doing it now anyways ...

BinauralJam

polaris_x wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

c. you got any proof ... like anything? ... or is this another it's ok for arod cuz everyone's using? ...

2006 - AB-400 HR-16
2007 - AB-532 HR-15
2008 - AB-370 HR-15
2009 - AB-404 HR-13
2010 - AB-569 HR-54
2011 - AB-513 HR-43

His explanation behind the Sudden Power Surge, he adjusted his batting stance...Really?.....Really?

This shit is wide spread and Bud is trying to make an example out of A-Rod because he couldn't nail Clemens, Mcguire, Sosa, Etc.. Bud Knew, he Knew in the 90's (as did all the owners)and did nothing because it brought the fans back and everybody got Rich. Now he wants to act like some White Knight who's cleaning up the Game and has guys like you cheering him on. He's as guilty as any Cheater in the game.

polaris_x

BinauralJam wrote:

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2006 - AB-400 HR-16
2007 - AB-532 HR-15
2008 - AB-370 HR-15
2009 - AB-404 HR-13
2010 - AB-569 HR-54
2011 - AB-513 HR-43

His explanation behind the Sudden Power Surge, he adjusted his batting stance...Really?.....Really?

This shit is wide spread and Bud is trying to make an example out of A-Rod because he couldn't nail Clemens, Mcguire, Sosa, Etc.. Bud Knew, he Knew in the 90's (as did all the owners)and did nothing because it brought the fans back and everybody got Rich. Now he wants to act like some White Knight who's cleaning up the Game and has guys like you cheering him on. He's as guilty as any Cheater in the game.

1. people have been accusing bautista for a while and he's always said that he will take drug tests anywhere at anytime ... but either way - if he was implicated ... no way i would cheer for that guy ...

2. i can't stand bud selig ... and you are right about everything you said but it still doesn't change anything about arod ... again - just like bonds before him and mcgwire ... he's taken the road of the coward ... plus, this is his second time getting caught ... he admitted to PED use before and told us how it was a horrible mistake ... and now, he's caught again!? ... fuck this guy ...

igotid88

I'm sure someone already came up with this theory. But what if Alex used Ped's with Biogenesis to come back from injury? Like Pettitte before him supposedly said he used them for. The years they said he was involved with them he was injured in basically all those years. It's not like he was at 100% these last few years. What if he was at 50-60% and wanted to get into playing shape? Will it change what people think if that was the case? Not saying whether it's right or wrong. I guess we'll keep know when everything comes out or when he tells his side.

BinauralJam

polaris_x wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

[
2006 - AB-400 HR-16
2007 - AB-532 HR-15
2008 - AB-370 HR-15
2009 - AB-404 HR-13
2010 - AB-569 HR-54
2011 - AB-513 HR-43

His explanation behind the Sudden Power Surge, he adjusted his batting stance...Really?.....Really?

This shit is wide spread and Bud is trying to make an example out of A-Rod because he couldn't nail Clemens, Mcguire, Sosa, Etc.. Bud Knew, he Knew in the 90's (as did all the owners)and did nothing because it brought the fans back and everybody got Rich. Now he wants to act like some White Knight who's cleaning up the Game and has guys like you cheering him on. He's as guilty as any Cheater in the game.

1. people have been accusing bautista for a while and he's always said that he will take drug tests anywhere at anytime ... but either way - if he was implicated ... no way i would cheer for that guy ...

2. i can't stand bud selig ... and you are right about everything you said but it still doesn't change anything about arod ... again - just like bonds before him and mcgwire ... he's taken the road of the coward ... plus, this is his second time getting caught ... he admitted to PED use before and told us how it was a horrible mistake ... and now, he's caught again!? ... fuck this guy ...

I get defensive Polaris, sorry i attacked your guy.

polaris_x

BinauralJam wrote:

I get defensive Polaris, sorry i attacked your guy.

no need to apologize ... it's a totally fair accusation ... and honestly, i don't know and i'm not willing to bet a shoelace on it one way or the other ...

Wobbie

igotid88 wrote:

I'm sure someone already came up with this theory. But what if Alex used Ped's with Biogenesis to come back from injury? Like Pettitte before him supposedly said he used them for. The years they said he was involved with them he was injured in basically all those years. It's not like he was at 100% these last few years. What if he was at 50-60% and wanted to get into playing shape? Will it change what people think if that was the case? Not saying whether it's right or wrong. I guess we'll keep know when everything comes out or when he tells his side.

what if frogs had wings?

they wouldn't bump their butts when they hopped.

and we won't know shit when a-fraud "tells his side"

RW81233

polaris_x wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

well this is the thing...if you tell the truth, in the present moment, you are totally fucked. why not just open it up, and let everyone be honest with what they are doing. i mean aaron and mays were amphetamined up, mike schmidt same, the 85 mets and 79 pirates were coke fiends, and we celebrate these teams and players. why? because we really don't care...so i say stop pretending.

sure ... but then why not allow aluminum bats? ... corked bats? ... we'd get more home runs and that's the only thing that matters right? ... why not let pitchers scuff the ball and apply shit ... they are doing it now anyways ...

look i once believed in santa claus and "doing the right thing," and I really wished players did. however santa isn't real, just like "clean" playing on an "even playing field" isn't (didn't jetes fake getting hit by a ball a year or so back and get celebrated for his "gamesmanship" when he fucking cheated?)...i choose not to believe in the baseball santa claus that there is any such thing as a level playing field. fuck it i say let them do whatever all they are is entertainers. also when the beatles and pearl jam return all their platinum for performance enhancing drugs because they didn't do it cleanly i will fight for no peds in baseball.

igotid88

imalive wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

I'm sure someone already came up with this theory. But what if Alex used Ped's with Biogenesis to come back from injury? Like Pettitte before him supposedly said he used them for. The years they said he was involved with them he was injured in basically all those years. It's not like he was at 100% these last few years. What if he was at 50-60% and wanted to get into playing shape? Will it change what people think if that was the case? Not saying whether it's right or wrong. I guess we'll keep know when everything comes out or when he tells his side.

what if frogs had wings?

they wouldn't bump their butts when they hopped.

and we won't know shit when a-fraud "tells his side"

How do you know they wouldn't bump their butts?

Cliffy6745

Wow this team is bad. Glad I didn't stay up for that

polaris_x

RW81233 wrote:

look i once believed in santa claus and "doing the right thing," and I really wished players did. however santa isn't real, just like "clean" playing on an "even playing field" isn't (didn't jetes fake getting hit by a ball a year or so back and get celebrated for his "gamesmanship" when he fucking cheated?)...i choose not to believe in the baseball santa claus that there is any such thing as a level playing field. fuck it i say let them do whatever all they are is entertainers. also when the beatles and pearl jam return all their platinum for performance enhancing drugs because they didn't do it cleanly i will fight for no peds in baseball.

i never believed in santa claus, the tooth fairy or the easter bunny ... that shit isn't even the same ... what you are basically advocating is this "players cheat" therefore screw the rules ... that is absurd logic ... it's like saying drivers are gonna speed anyways ... let's just do away with speed limits ...

the rules of a game are put in place for various reasons ... you can argue the merits of each rule but a carte blanche open it all up doesn't make any sense ...

RW81233

polaris_x wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

look i once believed in santa claus and "doing the right thing," and I really wished players did. however santa isn't real, just like "clean" playing on an "even playing field" isn't (didn't jetes fake getting hit by a ball a year or so back and get celebrated for his "gamesmanship" when he fucking cheated?)...i choose not to believe in the baseball santa claus that there is any such thing as a level playing field. fuck it i say let them do whatever all they are is entertainers. also when the beatles and pearl jam return all their platinum for performance enhancing drugs because they didn't do it cleanly i will fight for no peds in baseball.

i never believed in santa claus, the tooth fairy or the easter bunny ... that shit isn't even the same ... what you are basically advocating is this "players cheat" therefore screw the rules ... that is absurd logic ... it's like saying drivers are gonna speed anyways ... let's just do away with speed limits ...

the rules of a game are put in place for various reasons ... you can argue the merits of each rule but a carte blanche open it all up doesn't make any sense ...

why doesn't it make sense? what's bad about PEDs? the health implications are overblown, and the reality is our steroid hatred stems from the fact that russians and germans invented them during the cold war era not 'merica. once again steroids are good for you. i'm not sure taking dead people's ankle sheaths or a ligament from your leg to put in your arm or hamstrings put in your knee are, and we celebrate those coming off of those surgeries. to me it makes little sense to celebrate the latter and ban the former

polaris_x

RW81233 wrote:

why doesn't it make sense? what's bad about PEDs? the health implications are overblown, and the reality is our steroid hatred stems from the fact that russians and germans invented them during the cold war era not 'merica. once again steroids are good for you. i'm not sure taking dead people's ankle sheaths or a ligament from your leg to put in your arm or hamstrings put in your knee are, and we celebrate those coming off of those surgeries. to me it makes little sense to celebrate the latter and ban the former

you honestly believe that steroids have been a gov't controlled substance all this time because some other country invented them? ... i guess the early death of flo jo and all these professional wrestlers is not related to steroids ...

either way - like i've said before ... if you can prove PEDs are safe than I will capitulate however, your rationale is based on the foundation that everyone is cheating in various ways anyways so, open it up ... that leap doesn't make any sense to me ... i will give you the example again ... a lot of drivers speed ... so, should we not have speed limits?

RW81233

roads? where' we're going there are no roads...umm i honestly don't really care for speed limits and rather the driving methods that take place in south and latin america where stop signs are optional and pulling a left hand turn in busy traffic requires pulling out in front of 2 lanes of oncoming traffic and honking your horn. are there accidents? sure...but generally people learn to do what they can do in a system of unwritten codes and agreements. those countries don't waste money, time, and court cases on cops sitting around all day waiting for someone going 10 mph higher than they are supposed to go. WADA is literally an administration that gets paid to find out what people put in their bodies and punishes them based on some sort of belief that we actually give a fuck about the health of our entertainers. can you imagine this in other industries? professors would be banned for pot and alcohol, keith richards would be serving a lifetime sentence for, well, everything, writers, lawyers, so on and so forth. the drug testing in all of these industries is either non-existant or ridiculously easy to pass. yet no one cares, it is what you said - a free for all. moreover, there's not really a push for the health of people in these industries so what makes sport special?

polaris_x

RW81233 wrote:

roads? where' we're going there are no roads...umm i honestly don't really care for speed limits and rather the driving methods that take place in south and latin america where stop signs are optional and pulling a left hand turn in busy traffic requires pulling out in front of 2 lanes of oncoming traffic and honking your horn. are there accidents? sure...but generally people learn to do what they can do in a system of unwritten codes and agreements. those countries don't waste money, time, and court cases on cops sitting around all day waiting for someone going 10 mph higher than they are supposed to go. WADA is literally an administration that gets paid to find out what people put in their bodies and punishes them based on some sort of belief that we actually give a fuck about the health of our entertainers. can you imagine this in other industries? professors would be banned for pot and alcohol, keith richards would be serving a lifetime sentence for, well, everything, writers, lawyers, so on and so forth. the drug testing in all of these industries is either non-existant or ridiculously easy to pass. yet no one cares, it is what you said - a free for all. moreover, there's not really a push for the health of people in these industries so what makes sport special?

WADA is an organization that is supposed to ensure that athletes compete on a level playing field ... it has nothing to do with their health ... if so, they wouldn't let athletes smoke or have mcdonalds at the olympic village cafeteria ...

RW81233

polaris_x wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

roads? where' we're going there are no roads...umm i honestly don't really care for speed limits and rather the driving methods that take place in south and latin america where stop signs are optional and pulling a left hand turn in busy traffic requires pulling out in front of 2 lanes of oncoming traffic and honking your horn. are there accidents? sure...but generally people learn to do what they can do in a system of unwritten codes and agreements. those countries don't waste money, time, and court cases on cops sitting around all day waiting for someone going 10 mph higher than they are supposed to go. WADA is literally an administration that gets paid to find out what people put in their bodies and punishes them based on some sort of belief that we actually give a fuck about the health of our entertainers. can you imagine this in other industries? professors would be banned for pot and alcohol, keith richards would be serving a lifetime sentence for, well, everything, writers, lawyers, so on and so forth. the drug testing in all of these industries is either non-existant or ridiculously easy to pass. yet no one cares, it is what you said - a free for all. moreover, there's not really a push for the health of people in these industries so what makes sport special?

WADA is an organization that is supposed to ensure that athletes compete on a level playing field ... it has nothing to do with their health ... if so, they wouldn't let athletes smoke or have mcdonalds at the olympic village cafeteria ...

so then we are back to the "level playing field" idea - the santa claus myth right? no one comes from the same background right? i mean should barry zito, or tim hudson have to brave the waters from cuba everytime we add a cuban import to "level the playing field"? should american baseball hopefuls be starved, taught broken spanish and no english until they are 13 then put in intensive baseball academies where they are signed for pennies on the dollar like dominicans to "level the playing field"? there's no such thing as a level playing field for anything. we don't drug test in other industries and other professions to level the playing field, so, again, why sport? to me it's a secondary remedy for a systemic problem put in place to make us feel better about something mythological.

lukin2006

So what if someone doesn't want to take PEDS?

JonnyPistachio

well, since its just entertainment, and there's no level playing field, and each player should just shoot themselves full of anything that makes them better...maybe one day, there will just be robots playing baseball. it'll be great.

BinauralJam

JonnyPistachio wrote:

well, since its just entertainment, and there's no level playing field, and each player should just shoot themselves full of anything that makes them better...maybe one day, there will just be robots playing baseball. it'll be great.

Like a field full of Kevin McREYNOLDS!!!

AWESOME!!!!

JonnyPistachio

BinauralJam wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

well, since its just entertainment, and there's no level playing field, and each player should just shoot themselves full of anything that makes them better...maybe one day, there will just be robots playing baseball. it'll be great.

Like a field full of Kevin McREYNOLDS!!!

AWESOME!!!!

yes, if there ever was a robot in MLB it was him.