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DS1119

Cliffy6745 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Playoff numbers for ARod?

Dude, we get it. He had one great playoffs, a couple good series, some average and some horrible ones. We get it. But why is he the only one you are calling out?

I have an average of about 27 million reasons. The way this team is configured they will always compete for a playoff spot. That's a fact. Come playoff time he disappears...and quite frankly he;s not much come regualr season either anymore. The right time is now to just part ways. There is zero chance a relationship with Girardi canbe repaired at this point. A guy who has been coddled his entire career is getting tooled on by fans, the mdeia...do you really expect he will be in the starting lineup next season. No shot.

Wobbie

Cliffy6745 wrote:

As much as it sucks, the Yankees just don't have time to let players sink or swim in the big leagues. Look at Ian Kennedy. I agree, and it would be nice to have him now, but in the AL East being always in the hunt and having that payroll, it is just tough for them to let players work things out in the big leagues, which is needed to develop him.

The 90's Yankees had the opportunity to develop players because they were so bad for so long before that. It would take something like that to have it happen again, I am afraid. It also helped that the boss was kicked out for a while.

it might be worth the short term pain but I hear what you're saying.

if my Giants go out tonight, it will have been a good season; your Yankees were a failure in the eyes of most. Not fair, but you know more than anyone how that works.

Cliffy6745

Arod overall postseason

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ason::none

Cano

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ason::none

Tex

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ason::none

Swisher

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ason::none

Granderson

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ason::none

BinauralJam

We have to start getting younger, one way or the other.

Cliffy6745

BinauralJam wrote:

We have to start getting younger, one way or the other.

Justin Upton

DS1119

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The 90's Yankees had the opportunity to develop players because they were so bad for so long before that.

I know exactly what you're saying but this team could definately take the time to develop some more of it's talent. I mean the Yankees did have the most wins in baseball during the 80's when they were "bad".

Cliffy6745

DS1119 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The 90's Yankees had the opportunity to develop players because they were so bad for so long before that.

I know exactly what you're saying but this team could definately take the time to develop some more of it's talent. I mean the Yankees did have the most wins in baseball during the 80's when they were "bad".

I don't completely disagree. And it looks like they are trying to do that with some of the guys that are lower down in the farm. They hit a lot of bad luck with injuries this year, but Sanchez, Williams, Austin are all promising players that could contribute at a high level down the road. They are just a ways out.

Cliffy6745

DS1119 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Playoff numbers for ARod?

Dude, we get it. He had one great playoffs, a couple good series, some average and some horrible ones. We get it. But why is he the only one you are calling out?

I have an average of about 27 million reasons. The way this team is configured they will always compete for a playoff spot. That's a fact. Come playoff time he disappears...and quite frankly he;s not much come regualr season either anymore. The right time is now to just part ways. There is zero chance a relationship with Girardi canbe repaired at this point. A guy who has been coddled his entire career is getting tooled on by fans, the mdeia...do you really expect he will be in the starting lineup next season. No shot.

I dont know how you can come to any of these conclusions based on the few interviews and soundbites there have been.

As he says if he plays the way he should, Joe wouldn't be put in that situation. I don't expect a superstar anymore but I also don't expect an platoon player yet.

Cliffy6745

imalive wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

As much as it sucks, the Yankees just don't have time to let players sink or swim in the big leagues. Look at Ian Kennedy. I agree, and it would be nice to have him now, but in the AL East being always in the hunt and having that payroll, it is just tough for them to let players work things out in the big leagues, which is needed to develop him.

The 90's Yankees had the opportunity to develop players because they were so bad for so long before that. It would take something like that to have it happen again, I am afraid. It also helped that the boss was kicked out for a while.

it might be worth the short term pain but I hear what you're saying.

if my Giants go out tonight, it will have been a good season; your Yankees were a failure in the eyes of most. Not fair, but you know more than anyone how that works.

I hear you. I don't see it as an overall failure and I had a whole lot of fun. I see these last 4 games as a gigantic failure but the season as whole, given what they had to deal with was fun and pretty successful.

Bronx Bombers

DS1119 wrote:

Playoff numbers for ARod?

Here's a few interesting stats

Arod reg season strikeout rate is 19 % as a yankee in the postseason it's 27%

He has a ops of 484 since the 2009 postseason. He has 2 doubles and no homers.

Cliffy6745

Bronx Bombers wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Playoff numbers for ARod?

Here's a few interesting stats

Arod reg season strikeout rate is 19 % as a yankee in the postseason it's 27%

He has a ops of 484 since the 2009 postseason. He has 2 doubles and no homers.

No one is arguing that he has been good these past few years, but no one else has been good either and he is getting all the blame.

All I am arguing is that it makes no sense to move him right now.

DS1119

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I dont know how you can come to any of these conclusions based on the few interviews and soundbites there have been.

As he says if he plays the way he should, Joe wouldn't be put in that situation. I don't expect a superstar anymore but I also don't expect an platoon player yet.

He basically called Joe out in my opinion. Francesa just put it perfect. How can Girardi honestly look anyone in the eyes and say yes ARod is my starting 3b next season after what he just did in the playoffs? Girardi will be on at 400 PM. This should be interesting. :corn:

Cliffy6745

DS1119 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I dont know how you can come to any of these conclusions based on the few interviews and soundbites there have been.

As he says if he plays the way he should, Joe wouldn't be put in that situation. I don't expect a superstar anymore but I also don't expect an platoon player yet.

He basically called Joe out in my opinion. Francesa just put it perfect. How can Girardi honestly look anyone in the eyes and say yes ARod is my starting 3b next season after what he just did in the playoffs? Girardi will be on at 400 PM. This should be interesting. :corn:

I don't think he did. I thought he was very mature about it. Basically said he doesn't agree with it and he always feels the lineup is better with him in it, but he hasn't been producing and if he was playing like he should then joe wouldn't ahve been put in that situation.

Thats the perfect thing to say. Of course he doesn't agree with it, but he somewhat understands it.

Edit: And I am sure behind closed doors he is a lot more angry about it than he is putting off, but I also don't think Arod really cares about what Joe thinks. He believes in his ability and if he plays the way he should then he will play.

Bronx Bombers

The longer we keep him the less value he has especially if we ship him to the NL. I wonder if the marlins would do Arod for Buehrle and Bell. That's 69 million right there they would owe Arod 9mm per over the next 5 not counting bonuses.

Cliffy6745

Bronx Bombers wrote:

The longer we keep him the less value he has especially if we ship him to the NL. I wonder if the marlins would do Arod for Buehrle and Bell. That's 69 million right there they would owe Arod 9mm per over the next 5 not counting bonuses.

I don't agree. He has absolutely zero value right now. If he can put together even a mildly succesful season next year then he has more value. After the playoffs, he is seen as a platoon player. That is not what he is yet.

Cliffy6745

Cliffy6745 wrote:

And just so I don't come off as the only one. I already posted the Bronx Banter which is my favorite Yankee site but here are a few others that are not full of crazies who want them to trade and fire everyone.

http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/2012/10/o ... guez-46024

http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/2012/10/c ... nuts-46042

http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/20 ... -rod-mess/

All people that I feel are much more reasonable than the talking heads on ESPN and the likes who make money off hysteria.

One more

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/ ... rodriguez/

Bronx Bombers

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

The longer we keep him the less value he has especially if we ship him to the NL. I wonder if the marlins would do Arod for Buehrle and Bell. That's 69 million right there they would owe Arod 9mm per over the next 5 not counting bonuses.

I don't agree. He has absolutely zero value right now. If he can put together even a mildly succesful season next year then he has more value. After the playoffs, he is seen as a platoon player. That is not what he is yet.

I don't think other teams see him as that but we shall see I think he's done as a yankee

Cliffy6745

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

The longer we keep him the less value he has especially if we ship him to the NL. I wonder if the marlins would do Arod for Buehrle and Bell. That's 69 million right there they would owe Arod 9mm per over the next 5 not counting bonuses.

I don't agree. He has absolutely zero value right now. If he can put together even a mildly succesful season next year then he has more value. After the playoffs, he is seen as a platoon player. That is not what he is yet.

I don't think other teams see him as that but we shall see I think he's done as a yankee

The last article I posted sums up my thoughts on the value of him and everything I have been saying.

pjscreamer

Going into dis playoof season Da kid though ok Baltimore would been eveninly matchup splitt da season series but after first 2 games never though da pitch wouldn't be da problem but instead da bats fadding out big time ...well lucky for us Raul came thougfh as well as CC in da final game vs Baltimore.Well going into Detroit Series Da kid being da eternal optimis though Bombers will pull out a series win but realailty came acalling a saw Selrel pitch and pathetic hitting Suxs about Capt injury but at least get a hitt with runners on 2 and 3rd with 1 out !Good thing Da Boss moved on R heads wouldve rolled last nite

Bronx Bombers

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