i do not think scalping is illgeal anymore. i believe you can sell a ticket for whatever you want. I think the law was just passed. However, I am not sure.
Does it vary from state to state? If it were illegal you wouldn't have ticket brokers and agencies selling tickets for waaay above face. I've also seen individuals outside venues selling obviously scalping tickets and police not doing anything about it.
Either way it doesn't matter whether its legal or not, because as Kat said, selling 10C tickets above face value is a violation of the terms of membership. Selling other merch above face value (unless you're an obvious flipper) is not.
It's not only 10c tickets here...selling any tickets above face value is not ok. See Posting Guidelines above. :wave:
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i will never understand these posts....apples and oranges.
a ticket to a concert has a finite period of time for *value*...as in, once the show has passed, the ticket is pretty worthless. a vinyl or a poster may well increase in value exponentially, over time...or it might not. that is the art market. honestly, it is ANY collectible market. 10c canNOT control after market sales of goods. people buy vinyl in stores, people buy posters at concerts....MANY of these people are not 10c members, etc...so there is just no way 10c could police the market, and quite frankly, no reason they should.
bottomline, 10c tickets are available ONLY to 10c members and it is stipulated before joining that you may not resell above face value, and again...it is easy enough to keep track of 10c tix b/c once the show is here, it's done. and even WITH all that, i am sure there are some 10c members who do manage to sell their 10c tix above face, probably will always happen to some small degree...but i think the 'incentive' forthe bulk of us is simply, you want to continue in the club and we want to continue to get 10c tix.
i guess you're right about the secondary market. it would be cool tho to see some of these shady deals get foiled before some poor person gets suckered.
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What if someone flakes out and doesn't show, so you take your extra TC ticket to a "street vender" in exchange for a world series ticket at face value. Does this constitute a scalping activity?
Just wondering because I've been dealing with a lot of flakes lately..
What if someone flakes out and doesn't show, so you take your extra TC ticket to a "street vender" in exchange for a world series ticket at face value. Does this constitute a scalping activity?
Just wondering because I've been dealing with a lot of flakes lately..
No because you are exchanging ticket for ticket...item for item...seat for seat....Not ticket for a large some of $$...
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What if someone flakes out and doesn't show, so you take your extra TC ticket to a "street vender" in exchange for a world series ticket at face value. Does this constitute a scalping activity?
Just wondering because I've been dealing with a lot of flakes lately..
No because you are exchanging ticket for ticket...item for item...seat for seat....Not ticket for a large some of $$...
In this case the guy was definitely scalping tickets but I negotiated his world series ticket down to face value and he gave me face value credit for the TC ticket.. all good I guess..
scalping tickets is not ok
buying merch with the sole intention of reselling it for profit in the near future (i.e. flipping and its debatable what "near future" means) is not ok
liquidating your collection at market prices is ok, but you probably should not do it here because people looking to get collectibles at the original cost will flame you, and buyer beware, there is a ton a fake stuff out there.
You made a huge mistake by trying 2 sell tickets above face value. However, people sell posters and vinlys for ten times more than face value. The ten club should put a stop 2 this problem. For example, someone buys a vinyl from the ten club and sells it for 250 bucks. That is like 8 times more than face value fpr a thirty dollar item. However, the ten club allows that. I guess they think it is acceptable Ten club members also sell posters like 5 times more than face value. Ten club, you have play a fair game and treat and every member fairly. Lets start going after the vinyl and poster sellers which are mostly ten club members. i bought a kenyon hall poster for 200 bucks bc of the problem that I stated explicitly. Please, let just be fair and look for the real villians. They are the people who overcharge for vinyls and posters Thank you, ten club.
The difference is scalping tickets is illegal but selling things that are yours for more than you bought them is not.
Duh.
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Selling Some Vinyl & Posters
by B-Rye » 03 Nov 2009 16:28 This is ludacris. 250 for a vinyl.
Hey guys,
I have some items that are just sitting around so I thought I would see if anybody here would want them. I haven't done much price research (just a brief poll from ebay) so I'm not sure of the value, so I will edit this post as neccesary to adjust the asking price. Let me know, PM me, if my prices are way off. I'm not looking to gouge anybody, just looking to get close to what the market value is. Don't be afraid to send me offers.
I'm also in Canada so shipping costs are not included and will be negotiated as needed.
Into the Wild (with the additional vinyl insert, and played once) - $250
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Eddie Vedder Evil Kinevil (Summer 09) - $50 This is absurd.
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Ten Super Delux (Opened, CD's unplayed, DVD Watched, Cassette unplayed, Vinyl Unplayed) - $180
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The only thing that seems possibly out of line is the Into the Wild vinyl... all the rest seem to be at a reasonable and fair price.
I don't think $180 for an opened and partially used Super Deluxe is reasonable - a brand new, sealed set can still be purchased here for $140. I still see them in record shops for $140-$150 as well. I would mark it down to $125 at least if you really want to part with it. I'm not a "collector" per se, but I wouldn't consider this item "collectible" if it's still available at a retail price $40 below what you're asking for it...
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Selling Some Vinyl & Posters
by B-Rye » 03 Nov 2009 16:28 This is ludacris. 250 for a vinyl.
Hey guys,
I have some items that are just sitting around so I thought I would see if anybody here would want them. I haven't done much price research (just a brief poll from ebay) so I'm not sure of the value, so I will edit this post as neccesary to adjust the asking price. Let me know, PM me, if my prices are way off. I'm not looking to gouge anybody, just looking to get close to what the market value is. Don't be afraid to send me offers.
I'm also in Canada so shipping costs are not included and will be negotiated as needed.
Into the Wild (with the additional vinyl insert, and played once) - $250
Eddie Vedder Batman Poster - $50
Eddie Vedder Evil Kinevil (Summer 09) - $50 This is absurd.
Eddie Vedder East Coast 08 Klausen (Blue) - $50
Ten Super Delux (Opened, CD's unplayed, DVD Watched, Cassette unplayed, Vinyl Unplayed) - $180
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The only thing that seems possibly out of line is the Into the Wild vinyl... all the rest seem to be at a reasonable and fair price.
I don't think $180 for an opened and partially used Super Deluxe is reasonable - a brand new, sealed set can still be purchased here for $140. I still see them in record shops for $140-$150 as well. I would mark it down to $125 at least if you really want to part with it. I'm not a "collector" per se, but I wouldn't consider this item "collectible" if it's still available at a retail price $40 below what you're asking for it...
I was not selling tickets. However, someone was selling them for 200bucks for one tickets I think. i saw their post on this forum.
If they sold one ticket for $200 they deserve to get booted. That would make them a scalper. I thought maybe they asked the ticket price plus ticket fees but $200 is ridiculous.
I don't think $180 for an opened and partially used Super Deluxe is reasonable - a brand new, sealed set can still be purchased here for $140. I still see them in record shops for $140-$150 as well. I would mark it down to $125 at least if you really want to part with it. I'm not a "collector" per se, but I wouldn't consider this item "collectible" if it's still available at a retail price $40 below what you're asking for it...
And I don't see it as being unreasonable, since the OP most likely bought the set and had to pay a shipping charge. Thus, the price reflects the inclusion of this shipping charge. As you said, it can be gotten for a cheaper price but his price is not unreasonable.
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The difference is this... the 10-C distributes its tickets this way in order to curb scalping. That is the primarly and only reason they distribute tickets this way. They believe anyone should get to see Pearl Jam play for a decent price.
They have a very different view on this kind of merchandise. They want it to be a collectors item and that is why they print/press limited copies. They could make more money if they just sold every poster/vynl off of this website indefinitely. Why would you pay up on ebay? You wouldn't. But then, the merchandise would have no collectors value and obviously they like their products to have a high demand.
It obviously worked on you... I'm an adult. I wouldn't pay $25 bucks for a poster and you paid $200.
I haven't read through the entire thread, but out of curiousity has the membership number of the member been revealed? He could still maintain a 10C membership, but he's lost all 10C ticketing privileges obviously so it would be interesting to know whether he had a worthwhile number that he foolishly lost,...
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I haven't read through the entire thread, but out of curiousity has the membership number of the member been revealed? He could still maintain a 10C membership, but he's lost all 10C ticketing privileges obviously so it would be interesting to know whether he had a worthwhile number that he foolishly lost,...
I was thinking the same thing face value is the only way for me ..
You made a huge mistake by trying 2 sell tickets above face value. However, people sell posters and vinlys for ten times more than face value. The ten club should put a stop 2 this problem. For example, someone buys a vinyl from the ten club and sells it for 250 bucks. That is like 8 times more than face value fpr a thirty dollar item. However, the ten club allows that. I guess they think it is acceptable Ten club members also sell posters like 5 times more than face value. Ten club, you have play a fair game and treat and every member fairly. Lets start going after the vinyl and poster sellers which are mostly ten club members. i bought a kenyon hall poster for 200 bucks bc of the problem that I stated explicitly. Please, let just be fair and look for the real villians. They are the people who overcharge for vinyls and posters Thank you, ten club.
The difference is scalping tickets is illegal but selling things that are yours for more than you bought them is not.
Duh.
so easy even a caveman can figure it out. the amount of stupidity on here as of late really worries me. not that hard to read the posting guidelines people.
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I don't think $180 for an opened and partially used Super Deluxe is reasonable - a brand new, sealed set can still be purchased here for $140. I still see them in record shops for $140-$150 as well. I would mark it down to $125 at least if you really want to part with it. I'm not a "collector" per se, but I wouldn't consider this item "collectible" if it's still available at a retail price $40 below what you're asking for it...
And I don't see it as being unreasonable, since the OP most likely bought the set and had to pay a shipping charge. Thus, the price reflects the inclusion of this shipping charge. As you said, it can be gotten for a cheaper price but his price is not unreasonable.
That's right. Also I was being ignorant, I forgot to mention I was dealing in Canadian dollars. I paid 140 + 30 sihpping US. that's $170 US. Anyway, I was going to lower the price, forgot about it. In fairness I did say make an offer.
I can't believe the debate this started. I didn't think that would happen when I put up some things for sale. As for scalping tickets vs. collectors items, a ticket's value is artificially increased because they are time sensitive and unique. Every concert is unique, especially for Pearl Jam. Scalpers know this and buy tickets with no intention of going to the show. That's the same issue with flipping. I never bought any of the posters or the vinyl with the intent of selling them for profit. I can use the money, but I'm not a sob story, I never lost my job or anything. To be honest, I'm not enjoying the items as much as I could be, or as much as some other people could.
I probably could sell them for the exact amounts I paid for them (which I am pretty much except for the ITW Vinyl), but at that price I'd rather keep them. Under this scenario it is unfair because somebody out there would enjoy it more. I know somebody will chime in saying I shouldn't have bought it then, but how was I supposed to know.
I'm tired of defending myself for selling something. I'm not taking advantage of anybody. If the price is too much...then don't buy it. Wait until you see a price that suits you. Or listen to the CD. That's what I'm doing, at least until I am in a position to truly enjoy the record. Then I'll buy it again AT MARKET VALUE, and I won't complain about the price.
I can't believe the debate this started. I didn't think that would happen when I put up some things for sale. As for scalping tickets vs. collectors items, a ticket's value is artificially increased because they are time sensitive and unique. Every concert is unique, especially for Pearl Jam. Scalpers know this and buy tickets with no intention of going to the show. That's the same issue with flipping. I never bought any of the posters or the vinyl with the intent of selling them for profit. I can use the money, but I'm not a sob story, I never lost my job or anything. To be honest, I'm not enjoying the items as much as I could be, or as much as some other people could.
I probably could sell them for the exact amounts I paid for them (which I am pretty much except for the ITW Vinyl), but at that price I'd rather keep them. Under this scenario it is unfair because somebody out there would enjoy it more. I know somebody will chime in saying I shouldn't have bought it then, but how was I supposed to know.
I'm tired of defending myself for selling something. I'm not taking advantage of anybody. If the price is too much...then don't buy it. Wait until you see a price that suits you. Or listen to the CD. That's what I'm doing, at least until I am in a position to truly enjoy the record. Then I'll buy it again AT MARKET VALUE, and I won't complain about the price.
exactly what you and Kat said........if you don't want to pay for it, then don't buy it. Don't bitch about the price. Jeez. Babies around here. :roll:
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I can't believe the debate this started. I didn't think that would happen when I put up some things for sale. As for scalping tickets vs. collectors items, a ticket's value is artificially increased because they are time sensitive and unique. Every concert is unique, especially for Pearl Jam. Scalpers know this and buy tickets with no intention of going to the show. That's the same issue with flipping. I never bought any of the posters or the vinyl with the intent of selling them for profit. I can use the money, but I'm not a sob story, I never lost my job or anything. To be honest, I'm not enjoying the items as much as I could be, or as much as some other people could.
I probably could sell them for the exact amounts I paid for them (which I am pretty much except for the ITW Vinyl), but at that price I'd rather keep them. Under this scenario it is unfair because somebody out there would enjoy it more. I know somebody will chime in saying I shouldn't have bought it then, but how was I supposed to know.
I'm tired of defending myself for selling something. I'm not taking advantage of anybody. If the price is too much...then don't buy it. Wait until you see a price that suits you. Or listen to the CD. That's what I'm doing, at least until I am in a position to truly enjoy the record. Then I'll buy it again AT MARKET VALUE, and I won't complain about the price.
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i will never understand these posts....apples and oranges.
a ticket to a concert has a finite period of time for *value*...as in, once the show has passed, the ticket is pretty worthless. a vinyl or a poster may well increase in value exponentially, over time...or it might not. that is the art market. honestly, it is ANY collectible market. 10c canNOT control after market sales of goods. people buy vinyl in stores, people buy posters at concerts....MANY of these people are not 10c members, etc...so there is just no way 10c could police the market, and quite frankly, no reason they should.
bottomline, 10c tickets are available ONLY to 10c members and it is stipulated before joining that you may not resell above face value, and again...it is easy enough to keep track of 10c tix b/c once the show is here, it's done. and even WITH all that, i am sure there are some 10c members who do manage to sell their 10c tix above face, probably will always happen to some small degree...but i think the 'incentive' forthe bulk of us is simply, you want to continue in the club and we want to continue to get 10c tix.
i guess you're right about the secondary market. it would be cool tho to see some of these shady deals get foiled before some poor person gets suckered.
absolutely.
hell, the enitre art market is based on this and again, so is any collectible market. it is suplly and demand at it's most basic level. and it has always existed as such. the seller will only garner whatever profits the market/buyer, will bear. simple as.
tikets are an entirely other story b/c we all clearly agreed to 10c's terms when buying our memberships. a private entity can stipulate whatever rules they want for membership, and us, the purchasers have the right to agree to those terms or walk away.
as to 'shady deals'...i agree. i've never resold any of my pj collectibles, but if i ever did, i would simply use ebay. i think it's the safest route, for both buyer and seller. perhaps if i knew of a very good friend in the community desiring whatever i am selling, i might make a private deal...but otherwise, no thanks. i have made a few purchaes thru freidns here, and also thru EB, but in all honesty (outside of friends) my best purchases - as in, best prices - were all thru ebay. i also like the safeguards in place there, but that's just me. bottomline it's up to the purchaser as to whether they are willing to pay, or not.
this has been the hypocrisy of Ten Club and most of it's members for years. I agree though. The posters clearly say not for resale, yet members sell them for over $25 daily on this board and 10c doesn't seemed bothered by it.
2 wrongs doesn't make a right. The posters are not to be resold, doesn't matter if you bought it on ebay, or e-beans. It shouldn't be re sold
Meaning...you shouldn't have been able to buy it off e-bay of expresso beans to start with.
I have no problem with the 3rd party collectables market. Most people wouldn't think of selling there stuff at face value. IE they wouldn't get enough money to bother departing with it.
Playing Cards, Art, Antiques, all have secondary markets, because their out of print. There rare and people can't buy them brand new. It's the role of a secondary market.
It's the same with alot of PJ merchandise. Alot of it is out of print, rare, and you can't buy it anymore. People that own the stuff realize that. Which means they wouldn't part with it at the price point where they paid for it.
But if supply and demand dictates higher prices, you're more likely to see this stuff hit the secondary market.
I'd rather have the option of paying high dollars for something I can't find, then having no option at all.
this has been the hypocrisy of Ten Club and most of it's members for years. I agree though. The posters clearly say not for resale, yet members sell them for over $25 daily on this board and 10c doesn't seemed bothered by it.
2 wrongs doesn't make a right. The posters are not to be resold, doesn't matter if you bought it on ebay, or e-beans. It shouldn't be re sold
FALSE.
outside of a FEW posters sold directly thru the 10c website, NO where has there ever been ANY stipulations against resale for posters, or vinyl, even amongst many sold direct thru the 10c site. there are only a handful of items that were sold thru 10c with the 'not for resale' stipulation. and even amongst them, it is an 'honor code' simply b/c you canNOT in any way prove WHERE someone bought an item - could've been thru the 10c sale, thus not for resale...but could also easily be direct at a show, or from another after market sale, etc. thus why, 10c has never stated ANY 'punishment' such as losing ticketing privileges, b/c bottomline...it's impossible to know where/how any given purchaser came upon their merchandise. it is all very clear. i honestly do not understand why this topic comes up time and again...
You made a huge mistake by trying 2 sell tickets above face value. However, people sell posters and vinlys for ten times more than face value. The ten club should put a stop 2 this problem. For example, someone buys a vinyl from the ten club and sells it for 250 bucks. That is like 8 times more than face value fpr a thirty dollar item. However, the ten club allows that. I guess they think it is acceptable Ten club members also sell posters like 5 times more than face value. Ten club, you have play a fair game and treat and every member fairly. Lets start going after the vinyl and poster sellers which are mostly ten club members. i bought a kenyon hall poster for 200 bucks bc of the problem that I stated explicitly. Please, let just be fair and look for the real villians. They are the people who overcharge for vinyls and posters Thank you, ten club.
this ones easy, tickets are services which has a value printed on them while posters and vinyl are more like antiques or collector items. i could go into the economics of why ones right and ones wrong but i have a college business essay to do
I have no problem with the 3rd party collectables market. Most people wouldn't think of selling there stuff at face value. IE they wouldn't get enough money to bother departing with it.
Playing Cards, Art, Antiques, all have secondary markets, because their out of print. There rare and people can't buy them brand new. It's the role of a secondary market.
It's the same with alot of PJ merchandise. Alot of it is out of print, rare, and you can't buy it anymore. People that own the stuff realize that. Which means they wouldn't part with it at the price point where they paid for it.
But if supply and demand dictates higher prices, you're more likely to see this stuff hit the secondary market.
I'd rather have the option of paying high dollars for something I can't find, then having no option at all.
exactly. It is ridiculous to say that posters etc are NEVER to be sold.
Soo much whining and bitching. If you think someone is asking too much don't buy it.
For the whiners, so if i paid $100 for a poster a year ago and the demand has dropped and that same poster is selling on Ebay for $30 are you going to pay me $100 for it if i post on here? Didn't think so.
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Besides the issues that have already been raised, has anyone considered how difficult it would be for the Ten Club to identify which Ten Club member is selling these products? It's not as if eBay is directly linked to our Ten Club accounts, or as if these products are identifiable by unique serial numbers or anything. The fact remains, the Not for Resale applies strictly to the posters and merchandise available on the Ten Club website, much of which is available at the Pearl Jam shows, and appears exactly the same. Logistically, for the Ten Club to provide negative reinforcements to people who sell products would be nearly impossible.
That said, there are some things I think would be feasible.. if certain limited edition products were available solely on the Ten Club website, the Not for Resale is usable again, as every one of that particular product would not be allowed to be resold. Alternatively, different 'editions' could be put out, including ones clearly recognizable as Ten Club edition.. the reselling of those could be stopped as well. Finally, a method which could involve the revoking of one's membership, have unique serial numbers printed on each Limited Edition product, and have that serial number tied to one's account, to make it at least harder to sell.
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Finally, a method which could involve the revoking of one's membership, have unique serial numbers printed on each Limited Edition product, and have that serial number tied to one's account, to make it at least harder to sell.
This wont work either...
Scenario 1:
I have a limited edition Ten Club thing I purchased, which I trade with Joe for some super rare PJ merch.
Joe then sells my item on ebay..
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We break up and years later sells on ebay cos it reminds her of me.
Won't work too hard to police. Forget it.
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i guess you're right about the secondary market. it would be cool tho to see some of these shady deals get foiled before some poor person gets suckered.
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Just wondering because I've been dealing with a lot of flakes lately..
No because you are exchanging ticket for ticket...item for item...seat for seat....Not ticket for a large some of $$...
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In this case the guy was definitely scalping tickets but I negotiated his world series ticket down to face value and he gave me face value credit for the TC ticket.. all good I guess..
scalping tickets is not ok
buying merch with the sole intention of reselling it for profit in the near future (i.e. flipping and its debatable what "near future" means) is not ok
liquidating your collection at market prices is ok, but you probably should not do it here because people looking to get collectibles at the original cost will flame you, and buyer beware, there is a ton a fake stuff out there.
really thats all there is to it
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I don't think $180 for an opened and partially used Super Deluxe is reasonable - a brand new, sealed set can still be purchased here for $140. I still see them in record shops for $140-$150 as well. I would mark it down to $125 at least if you really want to part with it. I'm not a "collector" per se, but I wouldn't consider this item "collectible" if it's still available at a retail price $40 below what you're asking for it...
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And I don't see it as being unreasonable, since the OP most likely bought the set and had to pay a shipping charge. Thus, the price reflects the inclusion of this shipping charge. As you said, it can be gotten for a cheaper price but his price is not unreasonable.
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well said.
tickets are just that, tickets. after the show, they have no value.
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I was thinking the same thing face value is the only way for me
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That's right. Also I was being ignorant, I forgot to mention I was dealing in Canadian dollars. I paid 140 + 30 sihpping US. that's $170 US. Anyway, I was going to lower the price, forgot about it. In fairness I did say make an offer.
I probably could sell them for the exact amounts I paid for them (which I am pretty much except for the ITW Vinyl), but at that price I'd rather keep them. Under this scenario it is unfair because somebody out there would enjoy it more. I know somebody will chime in saying I shouldn't have bought it then, but how was I supposed to know.
I'm tired of defending myself for selling something. I'm not taking advantage of anybody. If the price is too much...then don't buy it. Wait until you see a price that suits you. Or listen to the CD. That's what I'm doing, at least until I am in a position to truly enjoy the record. Then I'll buy it again AT MARKET VALUE, and I won't complain about the price.
exactly what you and Kat said........if you don't want to pay for it, then don't buy it. Don't bitch about the price. Jeez. Babies around here. :roll:
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absolutely.
hell, the enitre art market is based on this and again, so is any collectible market. it is suplly and demand at it's most basic level. and it has always existed as such. the seller will only garner whatever profits the market/buyer, will bear. simple as.
tikets are an entirely other story b/c we all clearly agreed to 10c's terms when buying our memberships. a private entity can stipulate whatever rules they want for membership, and us, the purchasers have the right to agree to those terms or walk away.
as to 'shady deals'...i agree. i've never resold any of my pj collectibles, but if i ever did, i would simply use ebay. i think it's the safest route, for both buyer and seller. perhaps if i knew of a very good friend in the community desiring whatever i am selling, i might make a private deal...but otherwise, no thanks. i have made a few purchaes thru freidns here, and also thru EB, but in all honesty (outside of friends) my best purchases - as in, best prices - were all thru ebay. i also like the safeguards in place there, but that's just me. bottomline it's up to the purchaser as to whether they are willing to pay, or not.
Let's just breathe...
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Meaning...you shouldn't have been able to buy it off e-bay of expresso beans to start with.
Playing Cards, Art, Antiques, all have secondary markets, because their out of print. There rare and people can't buy them brand new. It's the role of a secondary market.
It's the same with alot of PJ merchandise. Alot of it is out of print, rare, and you can't buy it anymore. People that own the stuff realize that. Which means they wouldn't part with it at the price point where they paid for it.
But if supply and demand dictates higher prices, you're more likely to see this stuff hit the secondary market.
I'd rather have the option of paying high dollars for something I can't find, then having no option at all.
FALSE.
outside of a FEW posters sold directly thru the 10c website, NO where has there ever been ANY stipulations against resale for posters, or vinyl, even amongst many sold direct thru the 10c site. there are only a handful of items that were sold thru 10c with the 'not for resale' stipulation. and even amongst them, it is an 'honor code' simply b/c you canNOT in any way prove WHERE someone bought an item - could've been thru the 10c sale, thus not for resale...but could also easily be direct at a show, or from another after market sale, etc. thus why, 10c has never stated ANY 'punishment' such as losing ticketing privileges, b/c bottomline...it's impossible to know where/how any given purchaser came upon their merchandise. it is all very clear. i honestly do not understand why this topic comes up time and again...
Let's just breathe...
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this ones easy, tickets are services which has a value printed on them while posters and vinyl are more like antiques or collector items. i could go into the economics of why ones right and ones wrong but i have a college business essay to do
exactly. It is ridiculous to say that posters etc are NEVER to be sold.
For the whiners, so if i paid $100 for a poster a year ago and the demand has dropped and that same poster is selling on Ebay for $30 are you going to pay me $100 for it if i post on here? Didn't think so.
That said, there are some things I think would be feasible.. if certain limited edition products were available solely on the Ten Club website, the Not for Resale is usable again, as every one of that particular product would not be allowed to be resold. Alternatively, different 'editions' could be put out, including ones clearly recognizable as Ten Club edition.. the reselling of those could be stopped as well. Finally, a method which could involve the revoking of one's membership, have unique serial numbers printed on each Limited Edition product, and have that serial number tied to one's account, to make it at least harder to sell.
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This wont work either...
Scenario 1:
I have a limited edition Ten Club thing I purchased, which I trade with Joe for some super rare PJ merch.
Joe then sells my item on ebay..
Scenario 2: I purchase a Super rare Ten club item as a birthday gift for partner.
We break up and years later sells on ebay cos it reminds her of me.
Won't work too hard to police. Forget it.
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