c-section vs. natural birth

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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    I've always been confused by the controversy around c-sections. And around taking drugs during labor, as well. If a person physically can, she will have a natural birth, right? C-sections are generally used during emergency (at least in the U.S.) or if the woman has already had a C-section and the hospital doesn't allow you to vaginally deliver your baby. I don't understand why women feel they have failed if they aren't able to deliver their baby vaginally. How is that a failure? You've just created life and why should it matter how the baby comes out? Also, I've heard that the child and mother bond is not as strong as it could be had the child been delivered naturally, but I just don't believe that. I breastfed my oldest daughter (vaginal birth) til she was 14 months old and she hates me, she's 13 now. What happened to our magical bond from breastfeeding?

    once they reach those teen years all bets are off. especially with girls... they may be a force of nature but they become a whole different animal. and yeah that whole vaginal vs caesar bonding thing is bullshit. i idnt even gove birth to the toddler in my house and we couldnt bond any tighter.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    I've always been confused by the controversy around c-sections. And around taking drugs during labor, as well. If a person physically can, she will have a natural birth, right? C-sections are generally used during emergency (at least in the U.S.) or if the woman has already had a C-section and the hospital doesn't allow you to vaginally deliver your baby. I don't understand why women feel they have failed if they aren't able to deliver their baby vaginally. How is that a failure? You've just created life and why should it matter how the baby comes out? Also, I've heard that the child and mother bond is not as strong as it could be had the child been delivered naturally, but I just don't believe that. I breastfed my oldest daughter (vaginal birth) til she was 14 months old and she hates me, she's 13 now. What happened to our magical bond from breastfeeding?

    Yeah, but just think of how much more she would hate you if you hadn't breastfed her! ;)
  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    I'm having an elective caesarean when I get pregnant. I've already spoken to my doctor about it! Fuck having one naturally. Does not interest me at all. :?

    And it's a FACT that some women's vaginas get totally fucked up by natural births and don't "bounce back" as everyone says they do....screw that....cut me open, pull it out, stitch me up and pass me a glass of red wine! 8-);) I'll do everything else by the book but there is NO WAY I'm pushing out a baby.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    ZiggyStar wrote:
    I'm having an elective caesarean when I get pregnant. I've already spoken to my doctor about it! Fuck having one naturally. Does not interest me at all. :?

    And it's a FACT that some women's vaginas get totally fucked up by natural births and don't "bounce back" as everyone says they do....screw that....cut me open, pull it out, stitch me up and pass me a glass of red wine! 8-);) I'll do everything else by the book but there is NO WAY I'm pushing out a baby.

    lets hope you dont go into premature labour then zig and your sprog decides to pop out on its own accord. cause fuck knows your first consideration should be absolute convenience when giving birth. ;):mrgreen:
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  • It's a very interesting debate. I've not had children yet, and I'm terrified of the natural birthing process....I'd prefer it if I were handed a 3 year old, but since that isn't the way it goes, I'll have to deal!!

    It just seems that the healing issues alone from a C-section are far more complicated, and are much more difficult to bounce back from. Plus, isn't there some sort of health benefit from the child being born vaginally? Something to do with fluids?

    1. Oh, PLEASE adopt a 3 year old! There are tens of thousands of kids who never get adopted because most people will not even consider falling in love with a child they did not give birth to. I've wanted to adopt for years, but I have no money. [I can breed for free. I don't want to pass on my kyphoscoliosis. My immune system is already attacking itself (absurd # of food allergies.) So I may be infertile like the many women I know who happily eat GMO food and blindly take every vaccine offered.] A toddler who is over 23 months is usually listed as a "Special Needs" adoption. When the details are looked into, the only "special" problem is that the kid is 2 years old! I've seen even younger babies labelled "special needs" because they weren't 100% white.

    2. I also thought of birth as terrifying before I educated myself. I was raised to think that regular people were dependent ignoramuses incapable of handling our own health: We had to rely on god-like authoritarians ('Doctors') to dictate to us. Speak with women who rocked their birth experiences. They will be keen to share. Read books like the ones Satyagraha and I mentioned in earlier paragraphs. Fear is a natural response to the unknown. Replace that fear with knowledge and understanding.

    3. Yes, natural birth squeezes out the amniotic fluid from a baby's lungs before it takes a breath of air. Caesar babies are filled with fluid when plucked from the womb.
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  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328

    lets hope you dont go into premature labour then zig and your sprog decides to pop out on its own accord. cause fuck knows your first consideration should be absolute convenience when giving birth. ;):mrgreen:

    Shhhh.....no premature labour allowed!!

    My sister is booked in for a ceasarean on Monday! Will be interesting to see how she recovers, what she goes through etc! Glad I get to see her go through it first!
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Well I say natural for sure
    Had both of my kids that way and my vagina is just fine
    a couple of my friends had c-sections- not by choice
    thats major surgery so if you've never had major abdominal surgery and all that goes with it
    might want to rethink it. The bloating of the abdomen and the pain that goes with that for days after is what both my friends experienced.
    I was up taking care of baby home the next day all was fine.
    Pain you will forget and its really not all that bad if you feel you have control of the situation
    women keep doing it so it must be worth it.
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  • memememe Posts: 4,695
    The birth of a child is momentous (and traumatic) enough that women really don't need the extra anxiety about "Oh, I delivered by C-section, I am a failure!". I am happy I didn't have one (although when they brought it up as an option after 30 hours of back labor I thought it would have been marvelous), but it's such a small detail in the grand scheme of having a child!
    ... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    Heatherj43 wrote:
    JR8805 wrote:
    Having experienced both types of birth, but never "natural childbirth" (which my gynecologist said was so exhausting to her that she didn't really recommend it, but go with whatever you want), I can honestly say that recovery from non-surgical childbirth was a walk in the park compared to recovery from a c-section. I can't imagine having a c-section and post partum depression at the same time because I'm not really good at imagining hell. A c-section is major surgery which takes many weeks to recover from. A vaginal childbirth is what nature intended and takes not many days to recover from.

    If a c-section is medically indicated--you or the baby are in big trouble--for godsakes don't think twice--go for it! But, if you're doing it so Aunt Tilly can be there for the delivery, because Big Bubba, your husband/boyfriend thinks you'll be "all stretched out" vaginally if you don't (I recommend stretching his brain to something larger than a size X-small), etc., then I think those are bad, bad reasons to have you and your child go through something which carries such risks when you don't have to.
    I don't think other people should be there when having a c-section. It is major surgery!
    Not only recovering from major surgery, and perhaps depression, BUT having to care for a newborn while you are trying to get better is a bit much!!
    My 1st was a medical necessity. The 2nd was questionable. There is a danger in delivering vaginally after having c-section(s). I chose to be safe and had my second child c-section because of that risk. My second was a breeze compared to the first, but way worse than vaginal delivery. My daughter had her second vaginal birth a year ago and within 1/2 hour she and I snuck outside to smoke a cigarette. With a c-section, you ain't going anywhere!!

    Did your daughter smoke a cigarette? If so did she smoke while she was pregnant? I find it very wierd that if your daughter did not smoke for 40+ weeks that she had to have one as soon as the child was out of her.
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  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    ZiggyStar wrote:
    I'm having an elective caesarean when I get pregnant. I've already spoken to my doctor about it! Fuck having one naturally. Does not interest me at all. :?

    And it's a FACT that some women's vaginas get totally fucked up by natural births and don't "bounce back" as everyone says they do....screw that....cut me open, pull it out, stitch me up and pass me a glass of red wine! 8-);) I'll do everything else by the book but there is NO WAY I'm pushing out a baby.

    As a fitness instructor I can tell you that the women I work with who have had c-sections absolutely struggle with ab work and many feel their abs never really go back to the way they were before the surgery. Normal childbirth isn't that terrible (billions of women have done it) and you can be up walking pretty quickly afterward compared to the painful weeks long recovery from c-section. A c-section when necessary may be a life saver for mother and child, but when not necessary, puts both mother and child at a disadvantage. You might want to do a little more research before finalizing your decision.
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  • WhizbangWhizbang Posts: 1,314
    JaneNY wrote:
    ZiggyStar wrote:
    I'm having an elective caesarean when I get pregnant. I've already spoken to my doctor about it! Fuck having one naturally. Does not interest me at all. :?

    And it's a FACT that some women's vaginas get totally fucked up by natural births and don't "bounce back" as everyone says they do....screw that....cut me open, pull it out, stitch me up and pass me a glass of red wine! 8-);) I'll do everything else by the book but there is NO WAY I'm pushing out a baby.

    As a fitness instructor I can tell you that the women I work with who have had c-sections absolutely struggle with ab work and many feel their abs never really go back to the way they were before the surgery. Normal childbirth isn't that terrible (billions of women have done it) and you can be up walking pretty quickly afterward compared to the painful weeks long recovery from c-section. A c-section when necessary may be a life saver for mother and child, but when not necessary, puts both mother and child at a disadvantage. You might want to do a little more research before finalizing your decision.

    While I agree that major surgery is nothing to take lightly, every person is different. One of my best friends had washboard abs before being pregnant, had a planned c-section and she still has washboard abs. Her recovery was anything but hard on her, at her own admittance. Sure, she had to take it easy but she didn't find it to be miserable.

    Definitely research all options and make the decision that's right for you. For every easy nature birth story, there will be a nightmare story to match. Same with c-sections.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Whizbang wrote:
    JaneNY wrote:
    ZiggyStar wrote:
    I'm having an elective caesarean when I get pregnant. I've already spoken to my doctor about it! Fuck having one naturally. Does not interest me at all. :?

    And it's a FACT that some women's vaginas get totally fucked up by natural births and don't "bounce back" as everyone says they do....screw that....cut me open, pull it out, stitch me up and pass me a glass of red wine! 8-);) I'll do everything else by the book but there is NO WAY I'm pushing out a baby.

    As a fitness instructor I can tell you that the women I work with who have had c-sections absolutely struggle with ab work and many feel their abs never really go back to the way they were before the surgery. Normal childbirth isn't that terrible (billions of women have done it) and you can be up walking pretty quickly afterward compared to the painful weeks long recovery from c-section. A c-section when necessary may be a life saver for mother and child, but when not necessary, puts both mother and child at a disadvantage. You might want to do a little more research before finalizing your decision.

    While I agree that major surgery is nothing to take lightly, every person is different. One of my best friends had washboard abs before being pregnant, had a planned c-section and she still has washboard abs. Her recovery was anything but hard on her, at her own admittance. Sure, she had to take it easy but she didn't find it to be miserable.

    Definitely research all options and make the decision that's right for you. For every easy nature birth story, there will be a nightmare story to match. Same with c-sections.

    Washboard abs and easy recoveries aside, unnecessary c-sections still put mother and baby at greater risk.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Heatherj43 wrote:
    I don't think other people should be there when having a c-section. It is major surgery!
    Not only recovering from major surgery, and perhaps depression, BUT having to care for a newborn while you are trying to get better is a bit much!! ...

    i was in the theatre with my daughter when she had her caesar... i got to hold my brand new grand daughter as soon as she popped out AND i got to cut the cord. that is a priceless moment.
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  • Heatherj43Heatherj43 Posts: 1,254
    Heatherj43 wrote:
    I don't think other people should be there when having a c-section. It is major surgery!
    Not only recovering from major surgery, and perhaps depression, BUT having to care for a newborn while you are trying to get better is a bit much!! ...

    i was in the theatre with my daughter when she had her caesar... i got to hold my brand new grand daughter as soon as she popped out AND i got to cut the cord. that is a priceless moment.
    Wow. I don't think I'd want to be there. For my own c-sections, they put a bar with a cover it so I couldn't see what was happening. They did show me my babies right away though.
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  • Heatherj43Heatherj43 Posts: 1,254
    Heatherj43 wrote:
    JR8805 wrote:
    Having experienced both types of birth, but never "natural childbirth" (which my gynecologist said was so exhausting to her that she didn't really recommend it, but go with whatever you want), I can honestly say that recovery from non-surgical childbirth was a walk in the park compared to recovery from a c-section. I can't imagine having a c-section and post partum depression at the same time because I'm not really good at imagining hell. A c-section is major surgery which takes many weeks to recover from. A vaginal childbirth is what nature intended and takes not many days to recover from.

    If a c-section is medically indicated--you or the baby are in big trouble--for godsakes don't think twice--go for it! But, if you're doing it so Aunt Tilly can be there for the delivery, because Big Bubba, your husband/boyfriend thinks you'll be "all stretched out" vaginally if you don't (I recommend stretching his brain to something larger than a size X-small), etc., then I think those are bad, bad reasons to have you and your child go through something which carries such risks when you don't have to.
    I don't think other people should be there when having a c-section. It is major surgery!
    Not only recovering from major surgery, and perhaps depression, BUT having to care for a newborn while you are trying to get better is a bit much!!
    My 1st was a medical necessity. The 2nd was questionable. There is a danger in delivering vaginally after having c-section(s). I chose to be safe and had my second child c-section because of that risk. My second was a breeze compared to the first, but way worse than vaginal delivery. My daughter had her second vaginal birth a year ago and within 1/2 hour she and I snuck outside to smoke a cigarette. With a c-section, you ain't going anywhere!!

    Did your daughter smoke a cigarette? If so did she smoke while she was pregnant? I find it very wierd that if your daughter did not smoke for 40+ weeks that she had to have one as soon as the child was out of her.
    No she did not smoke while pregnant, yet wanted a cigarette as soon as the baby was born.
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  • Heatherj43Heatherj43 Posts: 1,254
    JR8805 wrote:
    Having experienced both types of birth, but never "natural childbirth" (which my gynecologist said was so exhausting to her that she didn't really recommend it, but go with whatever you want), I can honestly say that recovery from non-surgical childbirth was a walk in the park compared to recovery from a c-section. I can't imagine having a c-section and post partum depression at the same time because I'm not really good at imagining hell. A c-section is major surgery which takes many weeks to recover from. A vaginal childbirth is what nature intended and takes not many days to recover from.

    If a c-section is medically indicated--you or the baby are in big trouble--for godsakes don't think twice--go for it! But, if you're doing it so Aunt Tilly can be there for the delivery, because Big Bubba, your husband/boyfriend thinks you'll be "all stretched out" vaginally if you don't (I recommend stretching his brain to something larger than a size X-small), etc., then I think those are bad, bad reasons to have you and your child go through something which carries such risks when you don't have to.
    And taking care of a newborn, on top of the recovering from sugery and the depression...its way too much!
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Heatherj43 wrote:
    Heatherj43 wrote:
    I don't think other people should be there when having a c-section. It is major surgery!
    Not only recovering from major surgery, and perhaps depression, BUT having to care for a newborn while you are trying to get better is a bit much!! ...

    i was in the theatre with my daughter when she had her caesar... i got to hold my brand new grand daughter as soon as she popped out AND i got to cut the cord. that is a priceless moment.
    Wow. I don't think I'd want to be there. For my own c-sections, they put a bar with a cover it so I couldn't see what was happening. They did show me my babies right away though.

    why wouldnt you want to be there???

    yeah that must be hard not being able to hold your bubs once theyre clear. when i had mine i was like yeah thats my child hand it over thanks. :lol: they showed my g/d to my daughter too but she wasnt all that interested.. what with a gaping hold in her gut and all. :shock:
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  • Heatherj43Heatherj43 Posts: 1,254
    I got to see my babies immediately after my c-sections. I didn't want anyone else there because its major surgery. I had my kids in 1974 and 1978 and the doctors did not want any family members in the O.R. while doing surgery. They had enough to worry about much less extra people. Times have changed and maybe its okay to have people in the O.R. now, but back then there was no way others were allowed in.
    I was there when my grandkids were born. They weren't born c-section. I saw them before their mothers.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I got to see my baby immediately after my c-section, but being so numb and having my arms strapped down, it isn't a precious moment. Not to mention all the side effects of being dosed up and feeling I couldn't breathe, I just find it amazing that anyone would choose that option. Anyway, my husband was in the OR and proceeded to tell me with a strange look on his face..."I can see all of your organs, they're moved out of the way to get the baby out". Nice visual I had with that one.
  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    e baby are in big trouble--for godsakes don't think twice--go for it! But, if you're doing it so Aunt Tilly can be there for the delivery, because Big Bubba, your husband/boyfriend thinks you'll be "all stretched out" vaginally if you don't (I recommend stretching his brain to something larger than a size X-small), etc., then I think those are bad, bad reasons to have you and your child go through something which carries such risks when you don't have to.[/quote]
    I don't think other people should be there when having a c-section. It is major surgery!
    Not only recovering from major surgery, and perhaps depression, BUT having to care for a newborn while you are trying to get better is a bit much!!
    My 1st was a medical necessity. The 2nd was questionable. There is a danger in delivering vaginally after having c-section(s). I chose to be safe and had my second child c-section because of that risk. My second was a breeze compared to the first, but way worse than vaginal delivery. My daughter had her second vaginal birth a year ago and within 1/2 hour she and I snuck outside to smoke a cigarette. With a c-section, you ain't going anywhere!![/quote]

    Did your daughter smoke a cigarette? If so did she smoke while she was pregnant? I find it very wierd that if your daughter did not smoke for 40+ weeks that she had to have one as soon as the child was out of her.[/quote]No she did not smoke while pregnant, yet wanted a cigarette as soon as the baby was born.[/quote]


    Wow so much for self control. 9 months without a smoke but 30 min and she "needed" one. Great example for her new kid and as a grandmother.
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  • ZiggyStarZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    My sister just had a caesarean yesterday! Will be interesting to watch how she recovers so I know what I'll be going through. She was vomiting from the morphine this morning but she seemed pretty good when I saw her! She's pretty sore though. My other sister had 2 caesareans and had an epidural in for the first baby for 2 days and with the second baby it was in for 1 day. They only did a spinal block with this sister and pulled it out shortly after the surgery so she's a lot more sore than my other sister who couldn't feel anything at this stage. Apparently she was told they don't do epidurals anymore -- spinal blocks are what they use nowadays. Hmmm....
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  • i like so much this thread..couse all the words in medical is Greek ones.. ;)
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  • JoJo Posts: 2,098
    I was overdue with my first, so they INDUCED me - just increase the drugs and BRING IT ON!!!!! 4 hrs of walking the halls, flat on back with Spinal block, hooked up to the drug trolly, alot worse than food poisoning! :shock:
    My doctor tried with the PLUNGER, but then another Doctor came at me with the SALAD TONGS, my Doctor said ENOUGH!! and I had an emergency ceasar. My baby came out BLUE, but mothers instinct kicked in and I knew he was fine. I didn't get to see him till next morning, but I was exhausted anyway and just needed sleep. I had xrays and I can't do natural childbirth.

    Less than 2 years later with my Second child - I was booked in for a Ceaser... but NOOOOOO, my baby wanted to come out the NIGHT BEFORE. The STUPID night nurse put me on drugs to stop the labour ( She got in big trouble for not trying to contact my Dr) The drugs didn't work :twisted: and I had ANOTHER 6 hours labour with him until relief came with my Doctor. My Baby came screaming and kicking and I held him immediatley, for a long cuddle, and he was fine.

    And because God has such a great sence of humour, I was back AGAIN, 5 weeks premature and going through LABOUR AGAIN!! knowing I was having another Ceaser.... with TWINS!!
    So there I was....4 boys, aged 4 and under, yea, REAL FUNNY ;)
    My recovery after all of them was almost instant. I'm a smoker. :|
  • JoJo Posts: 2,098
    i like so much this thread..couse all the words in medical is Greek ones.. ;)

    :clap::lol: And it was all IN Greek to me.
  • offigooffigo Posts: 81
    I also had C-sect with no choice, he just wasn't coming out. Turned out he was 11lbs and 11oz so he was air lifted out. It was miserable. Not enough pain meds ahead of time so days of pain and pain killers after. Wished I could have enjoyed my guy a little more the first few days. Scar still drives my crazy. In truth, it is not about me though, however they get them out is great, just get em out safely.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    offigo wrote:
    he was air lifted out.

    :lol::lol::lol:
  • blondieblue227blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    that makes this come to mind...

    babies are getting bigger a bigger.
    maybe that's why c-sections are given out left and right now.
    ?
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  • _Crazy_Mary__Crazy_Mary_ Posts: 1,299
    All this talk about babies makes me anxious for this one to get here already. I'm only 22 weeks, so quite a ways to go. I can't wait to meet her.
    I'm sure I'll be induced like I was with my others. I can't imagine it any other way.
    I really screwed that up. I really Schruted it.
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    that makes this come to mind...

    babies are getting bigger a bigger.
    maybe that's why c-sections are given out left and right now.
    ?


    i posted earlier, my oldest sister - and the only 1 of us to have children - gave birth vaginally, sans drugs.....to an 11 lb., 9 oz. baby boy. :shock: this was in 1981. she was induced b/c the baby was so large and the docotr wanted him out before he grew any bigger. i think my sister would've like drugs, but given how quickly it all came about and i think the late 70s-early 80s....birthing drugs were more forwned upon at the time.....they were skipped. her other 2 sons, much later, were c-sections, simply b/c the 2nd was preemie and there were many issues, and her 3rd son was breech. i think c-sections are more 'common' now simply b/c they are better at em than they once were and they also are a lot more accepted than in the past. i personally do not think bigger babies are the reason, b/c i know of quite a few people who birthed big babies naturally.



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