12-21-2012

he still stands

dimitrispearljam wrote:

PEARL JAM HAVE A GIG SOMEWHERE???..IM IN..

I'm gonna be at Doug Stanhope's End of the World Bash. Its gonna be somewhere in the desert.... and lots o' fun happenings.

so-much-clearer

I don't want to believe anything bad will happen, but I hope that if anyone has to die, it's quick and painless. None of that drowning business like the 2012 movie.

Open

It freaks the shit out of me; its the day that i turn 40! Seems like 30 was just yesterday.

LikeAnOcean

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Mayans aren't even around anymore. What the fuck do they know?

The earth is billions of years old. It'll keep spinning until the sun burns out at which point shit's gonna get real cold and then everything will die instantaneously.

I will have been dead for a few billion years previous to that so it won't really matter at all to me. My bloodline won't even make it to that point.

Is this the last great prediction from the Mayans? Are we done with them once the calendar turns to 12/22/12? They did invent good soup. Come on....who hasn't had some good hot Mayan soup?

Actually its November of 2012.. and their calendar started with the big bang, a number that scientists couldn't come up with until recently.

They don't necessarily expect the world to end, but rather a new state of consciousness, wether it be artificial inteligence, extra terrestial contact or maybe a polar shift that wipes us all out.

They actually have a few calendars. One based of the 365 day year for tax purposes, but the 2012 one is not based off of object (planet) rotations and revolutions, but rather consciousness. Based off the number 13 it deals with consciousness continuing to accelarate by the number 13...

For example, big bang happened 14 billion years ago.. life began 4 billion years ago.. humans inteligence a million years ago.. every thing keeps getting closer and closer.. think about how many discoveries in the last 100 years compared to the last 10,000.. Pretty soon it expands beyond what our minds can tolerate, and BOOM!.. 2012. We either find out we aren't alone in the universe, we becomes gods ourselves, or we do in fact go extinct. We may not even realize what happens as it can be a slow process or transition.

Thoughts_Arrive

New Pearl Jam album?

he still stands

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Mayans aren't even around anymore. What the fuck do they know?

The earth is billions of years old. It'll keep spinning until the sun burns out at which point shit's gonna get real cold and then everything will die instantaneously.

I will have been dead for a few billion years previous to that so it won't really matter at all to me. My bloodline won't even make it to that point.

Is this the last great prediction from the Mayans? Are we done with them once the calendar turns to 12/22/12? They did invent good soup. Come on....who hasn't had some good hot Mayan soup?

Actually its November of 2012.. and their calendar started with the big bang, a number that scientists couldn't come up with until recently.

They don't necessarily expect the world to end, but rather a new state of consciousness, wether it be artificial inteligence, extra terrestial contact or maybe a polar shift that wipes us all out.

They actually have a few calendars. One based of the 365 day year for tax purposes, but the 2012 one is not based off of object (planet) rotations and revolutions, but rather consciousness. Based off the number 13 it deals with consciousness continuing to accelarate by the number 13...

For example, big bang happened 14 billion years ago.. life began 4 billion years ago.. humans inteligence a million years ago.. every thing keeps getting closer and closer.. think about how many discoveries in the last 100 years compared to the last 10,000.. Pretty soon it expands beyond what our minds can tolerate, and BOOM!.. 2012. We either find out we aren't alone in the universe, we becomes gods ourselves, or we do in fact go extinct. We may not even realize what happens as it can be a slow process or transition.

he still stands wrote:
maybe it is the singularity of consciousness. information has been accelerating at an exponential rate for millenia. It took 10,000 years to double the amount of information "known" in the world to the point of the agriculture revolution a couple of centuries before Christ. The amount of information known in the world doubled again in 1500 years (renaissance), then 250 years later (the new world), then 100 years after that (the industrial revolution), then 50 years (World Wars) then 25 years (60s culture) then 10 years (computers in every house) then 5 years (internet) then every 1 year (look around you!) and by next year every month, and by early 2012 information will be doubling every couple of weeks, then by late 2012 information will be doubling every couple of hours, then minutes, then seconds, and a MASS SINGULARITY OF CONSCIOUSNESS will occur, sort of opposite of the big bang. Everyone will realize we are all one, matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, "reality" is a projection of the group subconscious, and no one ever has to be afraid, sad, or unhappy again and human suffering will END.

edit: this is all very real. The thing that separates us from other primates is the "time binding - semantic circuit" in the neocortex of our brains. This allows information to be passed along over time. Imagine a chess board, lay one grain one wheat on the first block, two grains on the 2nd, 4 on the 4rd, 8, 16, and so on. How many will be on the final block? Information accumulation is the same way over time. It is doubled every time period of X and increases logarithmically. Logarithmical curves are always increasing to the point that they go "off the chart" or approach "infinity." We are there, people. :geek:

Hammerdonkey

Basically, everything "new" we've seen in the last couple of decades has been technology that made things we already had become something we could keep on our bodies. Cell phones, Lap tops, Insulin, Wireless Headsets. It's just the evolution of purchasing. If the rotary dial phone hadn't been advanced, there wouldn't be a need to keep buying those ugly, heavy motherfuckers. Then it went to push button, slimmed up wall version, cordless, huge bag phone, brick phone, smaller, but still big digital cell phone, to today's current cell phone. Those advances don't impress me that much. That's just people trying to separate you from your money.

Want to impress me? Cure cancer.

It won't be done though. Why? There's too much money in it.

But everything you see that "amazes" you is doing it's purpose. It's giving you a reason to create a plan to come up with the money to buy whatever IT is.

And another thing...as long as the population continues to pour out billions of new little babies, it'll increase your chances of getting new enlightening ideas. When civilization first started, imagine there being 100,000. They all multiplied and created a million. Those multiplied and created a billion. And so on...More brains equal more ideas. I don't think you'll see anything significant like time travel or personal space travel. I'm pretty sure there aren't big lizards out there driving Star Destroyers and shooting humans dressed as robot soldiers with lasers. I do foresee some really cool handheld piece of equiment coming out within the next decade that I will have to buy because it's the coolest shit ever. We've pretty much peaked as far as travel capability, age expectancy, and we will never be able to defy gravity.

he still stands

Time acceleration and the 2012 theory is about novelty and information, which is much more than the contemporary capitalist technology that you refer to.

Just 2300 years ago it was possible for a man to know EVERYTHING there was to know about "his" universe (the time he lived in). It can be said that Aristotle was the last man to know everything there was to know. Now, supercomputers can't even know everything there is to know because a) there is too much data to be stored, and b) the data available changes every day, every minute.

Remember, and this may be hard to grasp; language and observation create the universe. Language and observation also create information. The more information there is, the larger and more complex the universe gets. Now, quantum physicists are baffled about the "observer/observed." (spooky theory) Observable effects DO NOT EXIST until they are measured. This is not science fiction, this is real stuff. For a funny story on this subject, read about Schrodinger's cat.

What does all this mean? Information is doubling at a very fast pace (every few years, maybe months) and continues to accelerate. More information means more observation, more "observable effects" come into existence. Once information doubles every few seconds or nanoseconds (2012), what will the universe look like?

Hammerdonkey

Has anybody thought that information will double until a certain point and then findings will reverse in the growth pattern?

It might be 25 years before anything groundbreaking is found....then 50....then 100 and on and on.

It doesn't matter. We're gonna be hit by a giant asteroid and all of these advancements will be wiped out anyway.

Hammerdonkey

he still stands wrote:

Just 2300 years ago it was possible for a man to know EVERYTHING there was to know about "his" universe (the time he lived in). It can be said that Aristotle was the last man to know everything there was to know. Now, supercomputers can't even know everything there is to know because a) there is too much data to be stored, and b) the data available changes every day, every minute.

Even if I lived then, I don't think I could have believed there was a single person that knew everything there was to know about everything.

Years ago, I was in heavy equipment sales. This guy, very typical tech geek and intelligent, was talking about the computer side of the machine. Processor this, voltage that, remote communications capabilities here..Zzzzzzzz....he was above my head. Out of the blue, I bring up the subject of pussy and he was clueless. I thought to myself, you keep making those good grades boy and I'll keep fucking the prom queens. I realized at that point, disgusting people like me are necessary for our existence. Aristotle may have been smart.....but he wasn't "pussy smart".

Me > Aristotle

the wolf

Hammerdonkey wrote:

he still stands wrote:

Just 2300 years ago it was possible for a man to know EVERYTHING there was to know about "his" universe (the time he lived in). It can be said that Aristotle was the last man to know everything there was to know. Now, supercomputers can't even know everything there is to know because a) there is too much data to be stored, and b) the data available changes every day, every minute.

Even if I lived then, I don't think I could have believed there was a single person that knew everything there was to know about everything.

Years ago, I was in heavy equipment sales. This guy, very typical tech geek and intelligent, was talking about the computer side of the machine. Processor this, voltage that, remote communications capabilities here..Zzzzzzzz....he was above my head. Out of the blue, I bring up the subject of pussy and he was clueless. I thought to myself, you keep making those good grades boy and I'll keep fucking the prom queens. I realized at that point, disgusting people like me are necessary for our existence. Aristotle may have been smart.....but he wasn't "pussy smart".

Me > Aristotle

this made me laugh out loud.

he still stands

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Has anybody thought that information will double until a certain point and then findings will reverse in the growth pattern?

It might be 25 years before anything groundbreaking is found....then 50....then 100 and on and on.

that could certainly happen, although there will have to be a significant event that causes this reversal.

This has happened before; the "dark ages." An authoritarian church-state was the cause then...

Maybe the idyllic "archaic revival" will begin in 2012? -less emphasis on progress, production/consumption, politics, government, state, wealth and more emphasis on coexistence, sustainability, equality, and freedom. This is kinda what the Hippy Gen was talking about but they were overly "preachy" and the world wasn't ready.

Drowned Out

In one of McKenna’s lectures, someone asked him if the singularity = the apocalypse….his laymans’ response was that he expects it to be an awakening, and guesses it will be something like the discovery of time travel…THAT could end the world as we know it instantly.
It’s eerie how epochal events correlate with his timewave chart….I did read a convincing criticism of his work recently, but I wouldn’t know where to find it.
This stuff is so far over my head, that I have absolutely no idea what is scientific fact, whats complete BS, and what’s theory…but it’s good brainfood for dummies like me
What the Bleep Do We Know? Is a good intro documentary for anyone interested in familiarizing themselves with quantum physics.

he still stands

Drowned Out wrote:

In one of McKenna’s lectures, someone asked him if the singularity = the apocalypse….his laymans’ response was that he expects it to be an awakening, and guesses it will be something like the discovery of time travel…THAT could end the world as we know it instantly.
It’s eerie how epochal events correlate with his timewave chart….I did read a convincing criticism of his work recently, but I wouldn’t know where to find it.
This stuff is so far over my head, that I have absolutely no idea what is scientific fact, whats complete BS, and what’s theory…but it’s good brainfood for dummies like me
What the Bleep Do We Know? Is a good intro documentary for anyone interested in familiarizing themselves with quantum physics.

Yeah I'm with you... I enjoy McKenna, RAW, and others because they really challenge me and provide good excersizes for my brain. I don't know that I necessarily "believe" in a lot of their theories, but if you go back to the 70s and read of some of their stuff that they would predicted would happen, most of it HAS happened in the last 10-20 years. At least it is more enjoyable than reading the latest Dan Brown book or watching the news.

he still stands

1142 days until the eschaton is immanentized.

Heatherj43

I vaguely remember another date several years back that was suppose to be the end of time. It came and went and the people, or group, who had been saying this for a long time said they had their date wrong but it was still going to happen as they predicted but they had to reformulate the date.
People here have been posting about knowledge being sent out faster and faster. My dad, who is 92, said something about this the other day to me. He wonders why it took so long for all the technology we have seen in the past 100 years to come about. Like, the earth and people have existed a long time, but in the past 100 years we have had a huge surge in knowledge and technology.
If there is any truth to 12/21/12 being the end, I hope we all go without pain, but I don't think anyone can predict the future without scientific facts to back the claim.

pandora

Heatherj43 wrote:

I vaguely remember another date several years back that was suppose to be the end of time. It came and went and the people, or group, who had been saying this for a long time said they had their date wrong but it was still going to happen as they predicted but they had to reformulate the date.
People here have been posting about knowledge being sent out faster and faster. My dad, who is 92, said something about this the other day to me. He wonders why it took so long for all the technology we have seen in the past 100 years to come about. Like, the earth and people have existed a long time, but in the past 100 years we have had a huge surge in knowledge and technology.
If there is any truth to 12/21/12 being the end, I hope we all go without pain, but I don't think anyone can predict the future without scientific facts to back the claim.

"To conquer death all we must do is die"
its probably just another day but what's interested me is the celestial events that we know will happen-
I believe in star power- it could be the dawning of a new awareness??? something good maybe

Nothingman54

newton was crazy about this stuff. he came up with 2060. he was really into god. he studied the bible. he took info from daniel and revolations and using math he came up with 2060. which would make more sense seeing that certain events havent happend yet and its unlikely the things would happen by 2012. from a biblical point of view.

LikeAnOcean

The funny thing about time, without conscious awareness of it, does it even exist?

Think about it. When you go to sleep, 8 hrs go by in the blink of an eye. Before you were born, infiniti went by in the blink of an eye and the same will happen after you die.. now imagine there are no human minds left to record time, no living creatures.. What is a billion years to a few seconds?

Boggles your mind, but makes you think about what the concept of "time" really is.. Or maybe there really is no such thing as time the way our minds see it, and matter and the universe is in a constant state, and since our minds can record old states, we piece things together based on the level of our conscious awareness... hmmm.

Nothingman54

i cant wait for this day. i think about it almost everyday. iv been watching too much history channel.