12-21-2012

he still stands

the wolf wrote:

he still stands wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

pass along whatever it is you're smoking, and i strongly suggest you cut back on matrix-themed films for awhile....;)

lol This is a very real phenomenon! At least that is what Terence McKenna says... who I think was a genius. Sort of a mad scientiest maybe, but you should check out his lectures on YouTube. Search "Time Wave Zero Terence McKenna."

For his theories to make sense, actually to SEE THEM COME TO LIFE, you should try something that can't be smoked. McKenna was a big proponent of entheogens.... as am I (NOT for everyone, just people who can handle it)

*edited to put McKenna in the past tense since he is with the machine elves now*

wow, just read some stuff about this guy. interesting.




Novelty theory and "Time Wave: Zero Point"
See also: 2012 phenomenon
One of McKenna's ideas is known as novelty theory. It predicts the ebb and flow of novelty in the universe as an inherent quality of time. McKenna developed the theory in the mid-1970s after his experiences in the Amazon at La Chorrera led him to closely study the King Wen sequence of the I-Ching. Novelty theory involves ontology, extropy, and eschatology.

The theory proposes that the universe is an engine designed for the production and conservation of novelty. Novelty, in this context, can be thought of as newness, or extropy (a term coined by Max More meaning the opposite of entropy). According to McKenna, when novelty is graphed over time, a fractal waveform known as "timewave zero" or simply the "timewave" results. The graph shows at what time periods, but never at what locations, novelty increases or decreases and is supposed to represent a model of history's most important events.

The algorithm has also been extrapolated to be a model for future events. McKenna admitted to the expectation of a "singularity of novelty", and that he and his colleagues projected into the future to find when this singularity (runaway "newness" or extropy) could occur. Millenarians give more credence to Novelty theory as a way to predict the future (especially regarding 2012) than McKenna himself. The graph of extropy had many enormous fluctuations over the last 25,000 years, but it hit an asymptote at the middle of November, 2012. After his discovery of other doomsday theories that would take place on exactly December 21, 2012, he simply bumped up the date of "doomsday".[20] This statement is contested, however, by McKenna's own mouth when during a lecture he said,

“ An astonishing thing about the date I arrived at, by this method is that it's the same date that the Mayan civilization appointed for the end of its calendar. In all eternity ... You know, you may choose not to believe that I didn't know this when I made this prediction. But I didn't, know it! I didn't. Yet I chose not the month, not the same year - the same day, month and year. [21] ”

In other words, entropy (or habituation) no longer exists after that date. It is impossible to define that state. This is also the date on which the Mayan long calendar ends one cycle through the zodiac signs, then it begins a new 26,000 year cycle through the next era, or the Age of Peace. The technological singularity concept parallels this, only at a date roughly three decades later.

Author Steve Wilson has stated that his reluctance to accept this technological endpoint was shattered when reading of the Adam_(robot) experiment's success. Since endpoint theory needs the creation of machines that can design and program other machines for the final stages to be possible (otherwise the slowness of human beings will make it impossible for such technological novelty to be achieved), this experiment is a major step towards practical artificial intelligence.

I always like turning people on to McKenna If you're a reader check out "The Food of the Gods" by McKenna. Or just sit back, smoke a lil', and watch YouTube vids of McKenna all night!

mookeywrench

It's just the end of a cycle, nothing is going to happen.

It's like finding our calendar and thinking the world will end on 12-31-09

The Mayan's had a lot of time on their hands to work on giant calendars.

People have been around for millions of years, not just the duration of this 27,000 year cycle.

catefrances

YourDirtisMyfood wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Dissidentman wrote:

Isn't this the last day of the current cycle of the Mayan Calendar? Alleged doomsday?

pfft mayans... what do they know. :roll: theyre not even here anymore... unless of course they went back to their home planet then were all fucked. :shock:

I read this quick and thought you said...."pfft wayans...." I'm like, they have their own home planet???

dunno about all the wayans... but i know damon has a homey planet.

LikeAnOcean

mookeywrench wrote:

People have been around for millions of years, not just the duration of this 27,000 year cycle.

The Mayan calendar started with the big bang.. And accurately so, considering Scientists had no idea how long ago it was until fairly recently.

Their calendar is not based off years or rotations of celestial objects. It's hard to explain, but I'd recommend read up on it. Interesting stuff.

helplessdancer

i dig weird shit

Satyagraha

he still stands wrote:

I always like turning people on to McKenna If you're a reader check out "The Food of the Gods" by McKenna. Or just sit back, smoke a lil', and watch YouTube vids of McKenna all night!

I'm a huge fan of Terence McKenna. Have had most of his lecture audio (mp3) collection for quite some time.

I'm sure your familiar with the 'psychedelic salon' podcast that has frequent Terence lectures along with RAW, Leary and other friends.

'The Food of the Gods' is great but I'd also recommend the audio-book "True Hallucinations" (or book) by McKenna about he and his brother's trip to the Amazon.

For those who have not heard it, it is read by Terence and mind-blowingly amusing, amazing and accessible. It can be found online for sale or for free. Good intro to the brothers philosophies too.

In there he mentions his discovery involving the 'I-Ching' and it's connection to the 12.21.2012 end date. . . . . . . . . .where history/information gets exponentially denser and denser and faster and faster till we reach the singularity beyond history!

8o)

helplessdancer

cool stuff

he still stands

Satyagraha wrote:

he still stands wrote:

I always like turning people on to McKenna If you're a reader check out "The Food of the Gods" by McKenna. Or just sit back, smoke a lil', and watch YouTube vids of McKenna all night!

I'm a huge fan of Terence McKenna. Have had most of his lecture audio (mp3) collection for quite some time.

I'm sure your familiar with the 'psychedelic salon' podcast that has frequent Terence lectures along with RAW, Leary and other friends.

'The Food of the Gods' is great but I'd also recommend the audio-book "True Hallucinations" (or book) by McKenna about he and his brother's trip to the Amazon.

For those who have not heard it, it is read by Terence and mind-blowingly amusing, amazing and accessible. It can be found online for sale or for free. Good intro to the brothers philosophies too.

In there he mentions his discovery involving the 'I-Ching' and it's connection to the 12.21.2012 end date. . . . . . . . . .where history/information gets exponentially denser and denser and faster and faster till we reach the singularity beyond history!

8o)

hmmm I don't know if I've heard the Psychedelic Salon but will check it out tonight... I am fairly certain I have seen every McKenna and RAW video on the interwebs and at least 'most' of Leary's, but may have missed that one.

'True Hallucinations' is on my list of books to read - which has at least 100 books on it now so I'll have to make that one a priority.

A quote that always brings McKenna to mind is written by Tom Robbins in 'Jitterbug Perfume' (one of his characters - Wiggs Dannyboy - is loosely based off of McKenna)... "Once you stop believing in magic you start believing in dangerous things like business and government." While I think there is tremendous scienctific knowledge behind McKenna's work, I also enjoy it because it gets my imagination rolling and tears down boundaries about traditional thought... he is a magician with his ideas, words, and theories.

RideRick

mookeywrench wrote:

It's just the end of a cycle, nothing is going to happen.

It's like finding our calendar and thinking the world will end on 12-31-09

The Mayan's had a lot of time on their hands to work on giant calendars.

People have been around for millions of years, not just the duration of this 27,000 year cycle.

he still stands

1171 days until the eschaton is immanetized!

mookeywrench

Here's an article from a mix of Myans, and Western scientists/astronomers

Nothing to fear, it's only a calendar

http://news.aol.com/article/world-wont- ... t%2F713074

World Won't End in 2012, Mayans InsistBy MARK STEVENSON, AP

(Oct. 11) — Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it's not the end of the world.

Or is it?

For the Mayans, Dec. 21, 2012 marks what one scholar calls "a special anniversary of creation." New Age pundits have taken this to mean the end of the world.

But most Mayans, including tribal elder Apolinario Chile For the Mayans, Dec. 21, 2012 marks what one scholar calls "a special anniversary of creation." New Age pundits have taken this to mean the end of the world. But most Mayans, including tribal elder Apolinario Chile Pixtun, above, dismiss the idea as nonsense.

Definitely not, the Mayan Indian elder insists. "I came back from England last year and, man, they had me fed up with this stuff."

It can only get worse for him. Next month Hollywood's "2012" opens in cinemas, featuring earthquakes, meteor showers and a tsunami dumping an aircraft carrier on the White House.

At Cornell University, Ann Martin, who runs the "Curious? Ask an Astronomer" Web site, says people are scared.

"It's too bad that we're getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they're too young to die," Martin said. "We had a mother of two young children who was afraid she wouldn't live to see them grow up."

Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan, says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan ideas.
A significant time period for the Mayas does end on the date, and enthusiasts have found a series of astronomical alignments they say coincide in 2012, including one that happens roughly only once every 25,800 years.

But most archaeologists, astronomers and Maya say the only thing likely to hit Earth is a meteor shower of New Age philosophy, pop astronomy, Internet doomsday rumors and TV specials such as one on the History Channel which mixes "predictions" from Nostradamus and the Mayas and asks: "Is 2012 the year the cosmic clock finally winds down to zero days, zero hope?"

It may sound all too much like other doomsday scenarios of recent decades — the 1987 Harmonic Convergence, the Jupiter Effect or "Planet X." But this one has some grains of archaeological basis.
One of them is Monument Six.

Found at an obscure ruin in southern Mexico during highway construction in the 1960s, the stone tablet almost didn't survive; the site was largely paved over and parts of the tablet were looted.

It's unique in that the remaining parts contain the equivalent of the date 2012. The inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.

However — shades of Indiana Jones — erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible.

Archaeologist Guillermo Bernal of Mexico's National Autonomous University interprets the last eroded glyphs as maybe saying, "He will descend from the sky."

Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012 — including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.

And anyway, Mayas in the drought-stricken Yucatan peninsula have bigger worries than 2012.

"If I went to some Mayan-speaking communities and asked people what is going to happen in 2012, they wouldn't have any idea," said Jose Huchim, a Yucatan Mayan archaeologist. "That the world is going to end?
They wouldn't believe you. We have real concerns these days, like rain."

The Mayan civilization, which reached its height from 300 A.D. to 900 A.D., had a talent for astronomy
Its Long Count calendar begins in 3,114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. Thirteen was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas, and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012.
"It's a special anniversary of creation," said David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin. "The Maya never said the world is going to end, they never said anything bad would happen necessarily, they're just recording this future anniversary on Monument Six."

Bernal suggests that apocalypse is "a very Western, Christian" concept projected onto the Maya, perhaps because Western myths are "exhausted."

If it were all mythology, perhaps it could be written off.

But some say the Maya knew another secret: the Earth's axis wobbles, slightly changing the alignment of the stars every year. Once every 25,800 years, the sun lines up with the center of our Milky Way galaxy on a winter solstice, the sun's lowest point in the horizon.

That will happen on Dec. 21, 2012, when the sun appears to rise in the same spot where the bright center of galaxy sets.

Another spooky coincidence?

"The question I would ask these guys is, so what?" says Phil Plait, an astronomer who runs the "Bad Astronomy" blog. He says the alignment doesn't fall precisely in 2012, and distant stars exert no force that could harm Earth.

"They're really super-duper trying to find anything astronomical they can to fit that date of 2012," Plait said.
But author John Major Jenkins says his two-decade study of Mayan ruins indicate the Maya were aware of the alignment and attached great importance to it.

"If we want to honor and respect how the Maya think about this, then we would say that the Maya viewed 2012, as all cycle endings, as a time of transformation and renewal," said Jenkins.

As the Internet gained popularity in the 1990s, so did word of the "fateful" date, and some began worrying about 2012 disasters the Mayas never dreamed of.

Author Lawrence Joseph says a peak in explosive storms on the surface of the sun could knock out North America's power grid for years, triggering food shortages, water scarcity — a collapse of civilization. Solar peaks occur about every 11 years, but Joseph says there's evidence the 2012 peak could be "a lulu."

While pressing governments to install protection for power grids, Joseph counsels readers not to "use 2012 as an excuse to not live in a healthy, responsible fashion. I mean, don't let the credit cards go up."

Another History Channel program titled "Decoding the Past: Doomsday 2012: End of Days" says a galactic alignment or magnetic disturbances could somehow trigger a "pole shift."

"The entire mantle of the earth would shift in a matter of days, perhaps hours, changing the position of the north and south poles, causing worldwide disaster," a narrator proclaims. "Earthquakes would rock every continent, massive tsunamis would inundate coastal cities. It would be the ultimate planetary catastrophe."
The idea apparently originates with a 19th century Frenchman, Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, a priest-turned-archaeologist who got it from his study of ancient Mayan and Aztec texts.

Scientists say that, at best, the poles might change location by one degree over a million years, with no sign that it would start in 2012.

While long discredited, Brasseur de Bourbourg proves one thing: Westerners have been trying for more than a century to pin doomsday scenarios on the Maya. And while fascinated by ancient lore, advocates seldom examine more recent experiences with apocalypse predictions.

"No one who's writing in now seems to remember that the last time we thought the world was going to end, it didn't," says Martin, the astronomy webmaster. "There doesn't seem to be a lot of memory that things were fine the last time around."

Dissidentman

Could I get the Cliff's Notes?

youngster

So apparently people didn't learn anything from Y2K? :roll:

dcfaithful

cropduster82 wrote:

So apparently people didn't learn anything from Y2K? :roll:

That's exactly what I thought...Y2K all over again.

If it is in fact true though, I don't think all civilization and mankind will meet it's demise...perhaps the thought is just that it's the end of the world as we know it...

Maybe 2012 will present something that will make us completely change our way of living? I dunno, pretty wild theories I'm thowing out here, but hey...I like to think outside the box.

mookeywrench

Dissidentman wrote:

Could I get the Cliff's Notes?

Modern day Myans think we're crazy for this and the Doomsday is based on Western/New Age created folklore; not Myan.

Scientists say the Polar shift would be at most 1 degree over a period of hundreds of years (if it happens at all)

The way the galaxy lines up on 12-21-12 can have no possible physical effect on the Earth

The Solar flares are an equally important issue about every 11 years

Myans were infatuated with the number 13, hence the 13 cycle celebration.

Myans have made other 'predictions' beyond 2012 even one that equates to the year 4772

Modern Myans say we should be worried about more important things, such as droughts that are currently happening.

he still stands

I prefer the Terence McKenna version of the meaning of this date, rather than the Hollywood "day after tomorrow" story. If you want to have your mind blown YouTube Terence McKenna 2012, or Time Wave Zero. It helps to have a sort of "catalyst" to make it more enjoyable. By catalyst I mean pot.

Don't let THEM immanentize the eschaton!!!

he still stands

The time-binding semantic function (that part of civilized primates that allows us to transfer knowledge across time, from generation to generation) of the human mind will coalesce into an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-everything - omnipresent - ubiquitous jellyfish. It has increased logarithmically for 100,000 years, and now we are at the singularity. The singularity is a big jellyfish.

Hammerdonkey

Mayans aren't even around anymore. What the fuck do they know?

The earth is billions of years old. It'll keep spinning until the sun burns out at which point shit's gonna get real cold and then everything will die instantaneously.

I will have been dead for a few billion years previous to that so it won't really matter at all to me. My bloodline won't even make it to that point.

Is this the last great prediction from the Mayans? Are we done with them once the calendar turns to 12/22/12? They did invent good soup. Come on....who hasn't had some good hot Mayan soup?

he still stands

This isn't the apocalypse, it is the end of the world as we know it. The eschaton will be immanentized and a new "reality" will appear. Bell's Theorem will prove to be true and the whole illusion of "space / time" will melt before our eyes. Maybe we just reach the center of the Mandala after 100,000 years of struggle (I've been there a few times, briefly). Maybe we'll all see the machine elves. Maybe I'll have a sandwich? I don't know...

dimitrispearljam

PEARL JAM HAVE A GIG SOMEWHERE???..IM IN..