White culture is NOT allowed to be discussed.
Example: If I say "I will stand behind all my white brothers" then I would be accused of being a KKK member.
If I had a Miss White America pageant...I would get sued.
If I started a Caucasian Collage Fund.....That would not even be allowed legally!
All I am saying whites are not allowed to have a culture...so they don’t dare talk about it.
What entitlements do they have?.... and oppression...I don’t understand were you get that...
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Tell me I'm not the only one who thinks this guy is a little fuck...
Wow, look at him dance.
My impression is that he is really a racist, but don't want to say it out loud. From this clip it looks like it.
..Or he has just stumbled across "White culture", thought it sounded nice and used it, while having no clue what it is.
So, he's either a racist or a moron. I wonder which it'll be...
More journalists should ask questions like this to talking heads and politicians. What they really MEAN when it comes down to it, beyond yelling the same talking points unexplained all the time. You have a talking point, you should be able to elaborate a little on it. Otherwise, just shut up.
Peace
Dan
White culture is not allowed to be discussed. That is why he did not fall into the trap. Anything he may have said would be spined into he being a racist. Just like not answering you still call him a racist.
Anytime a white person wants to say the word white they are accused as being racist.
Why is it okay to have Negro collage fund...Miss Black America....Hispanic day of prayer.Why not White college of America...Why not Miss White America?
I think you all know why.
It's okay to have Black , Hispanic, Muslim , culture, but god for bid there is a white culture!!!
Why is it okay for school kids to take scripture from the bible saying its Obamas thoughts but you can not quote scripture in its true content?
Why don't they use the term "european culture" then, or since that might include hispanics, "Northern European culture"? That would be more correct and appropriate.
There isn't a "white" culture in America, there are several. Which is why it is hard to describe what "white" in this context really means. Except that it used to mean "master" a few decades ago.
I dont see this about not falling into a trap. He was given a flat out opportunity to describe what he thought white culture was. Since he doesn't say anything, he comes off like an ass, and it seems that he knows he will get serious heat for it. He's much more comfortable slinging that word into speeches here and there to appeal to certain segments of the population. If that was not the case, then he has no clue what he blabbering about, so I again set the choices here that he is either kindof racist or at the very least pandering to those that are, or, he is an idiot who should shut up, since he obviously has no clue.
Refusal to define what one means should always be viewed with suspicion, and always be questioned by any reasonable awake journalist. If a politician says: "In want to give poor families a huge tax break!", and later refuses to define what is considered a "poor family", well.... Than he's full of crap. Quite simple.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
White culture is NOT allowed to be discussed.
Example: If I say "I will stand behind all my white brothers" then I would be accused of being a KKK member.
If I had a Miss White America pageant...I would get sued.
If I started a Caucasian Collage Fund.....That would not even be allowed legally!
All I am saying whites are not allowed to have a culture...so they don’t dare talk about it.
What entitlements do they have?.... and oppression...I don’t understand were you get that...
cry me a river...and Google "Civil Rights Act 1964" and "Slavery"...
Beck brought up white culture. He should at least be able to:
a) Define it
or
b) Admit he's an idiot.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
White culture is NOT allowed to be discussed.
Example: If I say "I will stand behind all my white brothers" then I would be accused of being a KKK member.
If I had a Miss White America pageant...I would get sued.
If I started a Caucasian Collage Fund.....That would not even be allowed legally!
All I am saying whites are not allowed to have a culture...so they don’t dare talk about it.
What entitlements do they have?.... and oppression...I don’t understand were you get that...
cry me a river...and Google "Civil Rights Act 1964" and "Slavery"...
Forgive me I thought we were talking about 2009...oppression? entitlements for whites , black, illegals, hispanics, or women..not sure who your talking about.......everyone has some type of entitlement except white males......true? I am so sick of the slavery issue I would like to skip that one if you don't mind.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
White culture is NOT allowed to be discussed.
Example: If I say "I will stand behind all my white brothers" then I would be accused of being a KKK member.
If I had a Miss White America pageant...I would get sued.
If I started a Caucasian Collage Fund.....That would not even be allowed legally!
All I am saying whites are not allowed to have a culture...so they don’t dare talk about it.
What entitlements do they have?.... and oppression...I don’t understand were you get that...
cry me a river...and Google "Civil Rights Act 1964" and "Slavery"...
Forgive me I thought we were talking about 2009...oppression? entitlements for whites , black, illegals, hispanics, or women..not sure who your talking about.......everyone has some type of entitlement except white males......true? I am so sick of the slavery issue I would like to skip that one if you don't mind.
how convenient... "what oppression, and don't tell me about the generations of black people born and sold into slavery!"
And no entitlements?!?!?! Since when can't white males get welfare, food stamps, social security, medicare, medicaid, federal student aid, small business loans/grants, etc???
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I understand things like 'Irish Pride'... and 'Italian Pride'... and all that. But, is there one White Culture? Wouldn't that have to cover all whites... including Irish, Italians, Jews, Russians, Spaniards, Germans, Brits, French, etc...?
I guess that's why people have a problem with that whole, 'White Pride' thing... do the White Power people support the White Jews? The White Europeans?
What is the culture, anyway?
White culture is NOT allowed to be discussed.
Example: If I say "I will stand behind all my white brothers" then I would be accused of being a KKK member.
If I had a Miss White America pageant...I would get sued.
If I started a Caucasian Collage Fund.....That would not even be allowed legally!
All I am saying whites are not allowed to have a culture...so they don’t dare talk about it.
What entitlements do they have?.... and oppression...I don’t understand were you get that...
this post has the logic of a 5th grader.
whites have been in the majority for all of american history, so most history is writen from the perspective of a "white" man. most american history that you hear about in school is from a "white" perpective relating to "white people". (on a side note, IMO this is why zinn's people's history of the united states is so great)...up unti well after the civil war blacks were still 3/5 of a person and until 60 years later no women were allowed to vote. they had no power to influence anything, especially history. most times miss america has been white, or not of african descent, most college loans have gone to white kids because many african americans have not had the opportunity to go to college, hence the united negro college fund. these are simply giving the african americans the opportunites they would not have in a country run by a white majority. since the majority would not help them they had to help themselves. if you would ever take a sociology class you might understand that.
the black history month opposition pisses me off, as a white man i can admit that most of what we are taught does not even touch on african american history other than slavery and the civil rights movement. i think it is completely fair to celebrate black history month. who knows, YOU might learn something. let me ask you this, are you opposed to the fact that march is women's history month as well?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
White culture is NOT allowed to be discussed.
Example: If I say "I will stand behind all my white brothers" then I would be accused of being a KKK member.
If I had a Miss White America pageant...I would get sued.
If I started a Caucasian Collage Fund.....That would not even be allowed legally!
All I am saying whites are not allowed to have a culture...so they don’t dare talk about it.
What entitlements do they have?.... and oppression...I don’t understand were you get that...
cry me a river...and Google "Civil Rights Act 1964" and "Slavery"...
Forgive me I thought we were talking about 2009...oppression? entitlements for whites , black, illegals, hispanics, or women..not sure who your talking about.......everyone has some type of entitlement except white males......true? I am so sick of the slavery issue I would like to skip that one if you don't mind.
Speaking as a white male, I don't really feel like I'm hurting these days at the expense of those damn minorities. I don't often find myself pining for the life of a young black man in urban Cleveland just so I can get those great entitlements they have.
White culture is NOT allowed to be discussed.
Example: If I say "I will stand behind all my white brothers" then I would be accused of being a KKK member.
If I had a Miss White America pageant...I would get sued.
If I started a Caucasian Collage Fund.....That would not even be allowed legally!
All I am saying whites are not allowed to have a culture...so they don’t dare talk about it.
What entitlements do they have?.... and oppression...I don’t understand were you get that...
cry me a river...and Google "Civil Rights Act 1964" and "Slavery"...
Forgive me I thought we were talking about 2009...oppression? entitlements for whites , black, illegals, hispanics, or women..not sure who your talking about.......everyone has some type of entitlement except white males......true? I am so sick of the slavery issue I would like to skip that one if you don't mind.
he he....skip it, huh... :roll:
well, if you're unwilling to look at past behavior and reality, there is no sense moving forward with this conversation...
All that's left to say is quite whining and get over it...
I understand things like 'Irish Pride'... and 'Italian Pride'... and all that. But, is there one White Culture? Wouldn't that have to cover all whites... including Irish, Italians, Jews, Russians, Spaniards, Germans, Brits, French, etc...?
I guess that's why people have a problem with that whole, 'White Pride' thing... do the White Power people support the White Jews? The White Europeans?
What is the culture, anyway?
jews are middle eastern..
...
I know...
But look at Woody Allen... Jerry Seinfeld... Harrison ford... Adam Sandler. Jews. White.
Do the White Power folks welcome them?
...
Well, except maybe Woody Allen... because he's one of them New York Jews.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
White culture is NOT allowed to be discussed.
Example: If I say "I will stand behind all my white brothers" then I would be accused of being a KKK member.
If I had a Miss White America pageant...I would get sued.
If I started a Caucasian Collage Fund.....That would not even be allowed legally!
All I am saying whites are not allowed to have a culture...so they don’t dare talk about it.
What entitlements do they have?.... and oppression...I don’t understand were you get that...
cry me a river...and Google "Civil Rights Act 1964" and "Slavery"...
Forgive me I thought we were talking about 2009...oppression? entitlements for whites , black, illegals, hispanics, or women..not sure who your talking about.......everyone has some type of entitlement except white males......true? I am so sick of the slavery issue I would like to skip that one if you don't mind.
isnt owning the fucking world enough??
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
...
I know...
But look at Woody Allen... Jerry Seinfeld... Harrison ford... Adam Sandler. Jews. White.
Do the White Power folks welcome them?
...
Well, except maybe Woody Allen... because he's one of them New York Jews.
Hebrew's are no more "white" (European) than any Arab.
And no..white power folks do not welcome us Jews. Have you never heard of a hypocritical little man named Adolf? Those white power folks tend to like his ideology.
Everyone seems to think that "White Culture" is a humorous phrase, as if somehow Caucasian North Americans have survived all this time without ANY cultural underlay whatsoever. Righto ... We're all just vapid soulless beings completely devoid of traditions and a cultural structure for living our lives.
Glenn Beck is a douche ... But yes, white people have a culture. The point re. different European backgrounds is a good one, and one that applies to ethnic minorities as well. Is it any easier to come up with a blanket definition of Asian culture, or Black culture?
Everyone seems to think that "White Culture" is a humorous phrase, as if somehow Caucasian North Americans have survived all this time without ANY cultural underlay whatsoever. Righto ... We're all just vapid soulless beings completely devoid of traditions and a cultural structure for living our lives.
Glenn Beck is a douche ... But yes, white people have a culture. The point re. different European backgrounds is a good one, and one that applies to ethnic minorities as well. Is it any easier to come up with a blanket definition of Asian culture, or Black culture?
Asian, probably not. American black culture? I think that whole 2-300 years of slavery thing kinda gives black Americans a pretty unified cultural background at this point. It's not like they came over with their families and traditions intact like most other American immigrants. Which is why it makes more sense to talk about black culture, they do have a unique, common heritage in America. White Americans don't really. We tended to bring over intact traditions from Europe. They're slowly being replaced as America begins to develop and define its own "culture" beyond just the melting pot, but it's not well defined enough to be able to talk about it.
but it's not well defined enough to be able to talk about it.
Hmmm ... While I see your point (I think), one could (in theory) use the common experience of immigration period as a basis for a common culture in North America. Not sure how this would work in practice, but it is a common thread that ties everyone here together, whether your ancestors came here one generation ago or five. There is an American social fabric, even if it is pluralistic and characterized by a focus on differences at the expense of similarities. I don't know ... I maintain the position that white people in North America have a culture, even if said culture is difficult to "pin down". To be honest, slavery is a common thread in African American culture, historically speaking, but I am not sure how this history means that one group "has a culture" while another does not. Human societies are not possible in the absence of a shared culture.
but it's not well defined enough to be able to talk about it.
Hmmm ... While I see your point (I think), one could (in theory) use the common experience of immigration period as a basis for a common culture in North America. Not sure how this would work in practice, but it is a common thread that ties everyone here together, whether your ancestors came here one generation ago or five. There is an American social fabric, even if it is pluralistic and characterized by a focus on differences at the expense of similarities. I don't know ... I maintain the position that white people in North America have a culture, even if said culture is difficult to "pin down". To be honest, slavery is a common thread in African American culture, historically speaking, but I am not sure how this history means that one group "has a culture" while another does not. Human societies are not possible in the absence of a shared culture.
Because it means African Americans have a distinct culture. I think you could say the same about Italian-Americans... immigration, crime, etc. Or Irish-American (the Irish were discriminated against in the same way blacks were when they got, minus the slavery). Or whatever. But I don't think there is such a thing as just general "white" culture in America. Honestly, the closest we have is the southern, down home, NASCAR/Palin contingent that is devoutly religious, pro-gun, and so forth. My guess is that this is what Glen Beck was referring to and he just realized what a fucking idiot he'd be to actually say that, because that culture is far from uniform and only covers a fraction of white Americans. But that's exactly what him and his ilk are trying to do... act like the true white american culture is their limited group of religiously conservative republicans... it's how they manage to get viewers so fired up about "other people" trying to take over and change "their country."
Hebrew's are no more "white" (European) than any Arab.
And no..white power folks do not welcome us Jews. Have you never heard of a hypocritical little man named Adolf? Those white power folks tend to like his ideology.
...
Which sort of explains my point... Glenn Beck speaking of a White Culture. What does that mean? Is he talking about skin color? If so, that includes Woody Allen and Jerry Seinfeld. Does he include Jewish people in that culture? If not, then who is included? Irish, English, Germans, Italians, French... Europeans?
I have no problem with Black Pride. Just like I have no problem with Irish Pride, Italian Pride, Cockney Pride or any other cultural heritage, nationalistic or otherwise pride. To each, his/her own... is what I say... even to the White Pride people... if they want to live in their own little communities and have their parades and fly their flags... let them. As long as they don't fuck with other people.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Asian, probably not. American black culture? I think that whole 2-300 years of slavery thing kinda gives black Americans a pretty unified cultural background at this point.
246 years
It's not like they came over with their families...
A great majority of whites who came here during that time were brought as indentured servants...without their families.
...and traditions intact like most other American immigrants.
The Africans didn't forget everything from their culture on the boat here.
Hebrew's are no more "white" (European) than any Arab.
And no..white power folks do not welcome us Jews. Have you never heard of a hypocritical little man named Adolf? Those white power folks tend to like his ideology.
...
Which sort of explains my point... Glenn Beck speaking of a White Culture. What does that mean? Is he talking about skin color? If so, that includes Woody Allen and Jerry Seinfeld. Does he include Jewish people in that culture? If not, then who is included? Irish, English, Germans, Italians, French... Europeans?
I have no problem with Black Pride. Just like I have no problem with Irish Pride, Italian Pride, Cockney Pride or any other cultural heritage, nationalistic or otherwise pride. To each, his/her own... is what I say... even to the White Pride people... if they want to live in their own little communities and have their parades and fly their flags... let them. As long as they don't fuck with other people.
When someone refers to people as 'white' they mean Europeans. If it were based on skin colour then things would be pretty backward as Asia tends to have more fair skinned people than Europe. so white pride would refer to Europeans. But even to say 'European Pride' would be seen as controversial..And if it can be black pride, instead of African pride, then why can't Europeans say white pride? I never quite understood all that mess.....
When someone refers to people as 'white' they mean Europeans. If it were based on skin colour then things would be pretty backward as Asia tends to have more fair skinned people than Europe. so white pride would refer to Europeans. But even to say 'European Pride' would be seen as controversial..And if it can be black pride, instead of African pride, then why can't Europeans say white pride? I never quite understood all that mess.....
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Which still leaves the question unanswered: What is 'White Culture'?
Is it European culture... without the national boundaries that seperate the different nationalities? If so, what are the common cultural values that are shared by the French, Germans, English, Italians, Irish, etc..? Christianity? Catholism? Paganism? Mayonaise? Baconaise? If White Culture remains undefined... how can anyone be for it or against it?
Glenn Beck makes these claims... yet, cannot define the basis of it. This is where the confusion comes in. Is he talking about 'American Culture'? Does that include the Jewish, Black, Latino and Asian people who are Americans?
I think the bottom line of all of this is that Glenn Beck is talking out of his ass when he makes these comments. My guess... and pure speculation because i am not Glenn Beck... is 'White Culture' is Anglo-Saxon/caucasian Christian American citizens of European heritage (that don't particularly care for other Europen countries... i.e. hate the French, unless they are Frenceh). I have no idea what their all encompassing 'White Culture', 'White Heritage' or 'White Customs' are. Somone will have to explain that to because... I don't know.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
...
Which still leaves the question unanswered: What is 'White Culture'?
Is it European culture... without the national boundaries that seperate the different nationalities? If so, what are the common cultural values that are shared by the French, Germans, English, Italians, Irish, etc..? Christianity? Catholism? Paganism? Mayonaise? Baconaise? If White Culture remains undefined... how can anyone be for it or against it?
Glenn Beck makes these claims... yet, cannot define the basis of it. This is where the confusion comes in. Is he talking about 'American Culture'? Does that include the Jewish, Black, Latino and Asian people who are Americans?
I think the bottom line of all of this is that Glenn Beck is talking out of his ass when he makes these comments. My guess... and pure speculation because i am not Glenn Beck... is 'White Culture' is Anglo-Saxon/caucasian Christian American citizens of European heritage (that don't particularly care for other Europen countries... i.e. hate the French, unless they are Frenceh). I have no idea what their all encompassing 'White Culture', 'White Heritage' or 'White Customs' are. Somone will have to explain that to because... I don't know.
:? ..oy
no clue..I just wanted to point out the difference between Asian's (Jews) and European's LoL..
It's a curious question tho, really...And also, not just for whites..Cos if you really think about it, your train of thought hits a speed bump...Yes, many black American's have the shared history of ancestors who were slaves...but that isn't their culture, nor would it, in itself, be a culture..What exactly is black American culture? Cos from your specific stand point, if black culture is defined by slavery, then white culture is defined indentured servitude, abolitionism, and of course, owning slaves. Which would mean they would have an equally defined culture. Most whites in America descended from pre-civil war immigrants come from a family of abolitionists and indentured servants, not slave owners. Where slaves were used for farming, namely..Indentured servants were used for building America's infrastructure. One could say their culture bleeds from the buildings..perhaps? Abolitionism played a major role in our founding. It's very much a part of the Constitution. Our founding fathers wanted to end slavery, but understood that to include amendments that could abolish slavery right from the get would end the attempt to found a new nation before it even began because at that time, the majority of the people with any power were against abolishing slavery..Namely the people in the south. so instead they included a section regarding a census for the purpose of representation that would limit the power the south could wield so that one day they could abolish slavery. And of course, then we have the Civil War, and how many whites fought to end slavery...so their history is just as thoroughly weaved into the slavery era as the blacks.
With that said, all of that, to me, is history..not culture. Culture, to me, is how a people are, and live, today. What traditions and customs they share. Their history plays a role in what they culture has shaped up to be, but it does not define it entirely. And just the same as the many ignorant examples anyone could come up with to define white culture (gun-toting, God-fearing, Bush-loving, redneck, trailor park), one can just as easily come up with the same ignorant definition for black culture in America (gun toting, God-fearing, Obama-loving, hood rat/banger, ghetto). It's really not a good way to define people. How about we just have a plain ol' American culture. There, very much so, is a very distinct united American culture. If you can't see it, you aren't looking at things from the right perspective..
It's a curious question tho, really...And also, not just for whites..Cos if you really think about it, your train of thought hits a speed bump...Yes, many black American's have the shared history of ancestors who were slaves...but that isn't their culture, nor would it, in itself, be a culture..What exactly is black American culture? Cos from your specific stand point, if black culture is defined by slavery, then white culture is defined indentured servitude, abolitionism, and of course, owning slaves. Which would mean they would have an equally defined culture. Most whites in America descended from pre-civil war immigrants come from a family of abolitionists and indentured servants, not slave owners. Where slaves were used for farming, namely..Indentured servants were used for building America's infrastructure. One could say their culture bleeds from the buildings..perhaps? Abolitionism played a major role in our founding. It's very much a part of the Constitution. Our founding fathers wanted to end slavery, but understood that to include amendments that could abolish slavery right from the get would end the attempt to found a new nation before it even began because at that time, the majority of the people with any power were against abolishing slavery..Namely the people in the south. so instead they included a section regarding a census for the purpose of representation that would limit the power the south could wield so that one day they could abolish slavery. And of course, then we have the Civil War, and how many whites fought to end slavery...so their history is just as thoroughly weaved into the slavery era as the blacks.
With that said, all of that, to me, is history..not culture. Culture, to me, is how a people are, and live, today. What traditions and customs they share. Their history plays a role in what they culture has shaped up to be, but it does not define it entirely. And just the same as the many ignorant examples anyone could come up with to define white culture (gun-toting, God-fearing, Bush-loving, redneck, trailor park), one can just as easily come up with the same ignorant definition for black culture in America (gun toting, God-fearing, Obama-loving, hood rat/banger, ghetto). It's really not a good way to define people. How about we just have a plain ol' American culture. There, very much so, is a very distinct united American culture. If you can't see it, you aren't looking at things from the right perspective..
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'American Culture' I understand. I also understand that American Culture spans the boundaries of race and religion. There are and have been great Americans who were White, Black, Jewish, Irish, Italian, Asian, etc... who have contributed to this all encompassing culture. Freedom and Justice for All... and all that jazz.
I way I see it... those who complain about not having White Pride month or United White College Fund or White Entertainment Television need to be careful what they wish for. It would mean they are the minority and live in a nation that is run by Blacks (or Jews or Hispanics or Arabs) in their everyday endevours. It would mean that they get one month out of 12, on television station out of 1,000 and live in de facto poverty due to lack of opportunity.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
no dispute on that one, I'll be happy when everyone is a mixie like myself..
Tho, one detail...most whites in America are poor due to lack of opportunity, as is the case for most poor folks...
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Which still leaves the question unanswered: What is 'White Culture'?
Is it European culture... without the national boundaries that seperate the different nationalities? If so, what are the common cultural values that are shared by the French, Germans, English, Italians, Irish, etc..? Christianity? Catholism? Paganism? Mayonaise? Baconaise? If White Culture remains undefined... how can anyone be for it or against it?
Glenn Beck makes these claims... yet, cannot define the basis of it. This is where the confusion comes in. Is he talking about 'American Culture'? Does that include the Jewish, Black, Latino and Asian people who are Americans?
I think the bottom line of all of this is that Glenn Beck is talking out of his ass when he makes these comments. My guess... and pure speculation because i am not Glenn Beck... is 'White Culture' is Anglo-Saxon/caucasian Christian American citizens of European heritage (that don't particularly care for other Europen countries... i.e. hate the French, unless they are Frenceh). I have no idea what their all encompassing 'White Culture', 'White Heritage' or 'White Customs' are. Somone will have to explain that to because... I don't know.
:? ..oy
no clue..I just wanted to point out the difference between Asian's (Jews) and European's LoL..
It's a curious question tho, really...And also, not just for whites..Cos if you really think about it, your train of thought hits a speed bump...Yes, many black American's have the shared history of ancestors who were slaves...but that isn't their culture, nor would it, in itself, be a culture..What exactly is black American culture? Cos from your specific stand point, if black culture is defined by slavery, then white culture is defined indentured servitude, abolitionism, and of course, owning slaves. Which would mean they would have an equally defined culture. Most whites in America descended from pre-civil war immigrants come from a family of abolitionists and indentured servants, not slave owners. Where slaves were used for farming, namely..Indentured servants were used for building America's infrastructure. One could say their culture bleeds from the buildings..perhaps? Abolitionism played a major role in our founding. It's very much a part of the Constitution. Our founding fathers wanted to end slavery, but understood that to include amendments that could abolish slavery right from the get would end the attempt to found a new nation before it even began because at that time, the majority of the people with any power were against abolishing slavery..Namely the people in the south. so instead they included a section regarding a census for the purpose of representation that would limit the power the south could wield so that one day they could abolish slavery. And of course, then we have the Civil War, and how many whites fought to end slavery...so their history is just as thoroughly weaved into the slavery era as the blacks.
With that said, all of that, to me, is history..not culture. Culture, to me, is how a people are, and live, today. What traditions and customs they share. Their history plays a role in what they culture has shaped up to be, but it does not define it entirely. And just the same as the many ignorant examples anyone could come up with to define white culture (gun-toting, God-fearing, Bush-loving, redneck, trailor park), one can just as easily come up with the same ignorant definition for black culture in America (gun toting, God-fearing, Obama-loving, hood rat/banger, ghetto). It's really not a good way to define people. How about we just have a plain ol' American culture. There, very much so, is a very distinct united American culture. If you can't see it, you aren't looking at things from the right perspective..
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“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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Example: If I say "I will stand behind all my white brothers" then I would be accused of being a KKK member.
If I had a Miss White America pageant...I would get sued.
If I started a Caucasian Collage Fund.....That would not even be allowed legally!
All I am saying whites are not allowed to have a culture...so they don’t dare talk about it.
What entitlements do they have?.... and oppression...I don’t understand were you get that...
Why don't they use the term "european culture" then, or since that might include hispanics, "Northern European culture"? That would be more correct and appropriate.
There isn't a "white" culture in America, there are several. Which is why it is hard to describe what "white" in this context really means. Except that it used to mean "master" a few decades ago.
I dont see this about not falling into a trap. He was given a flat out opportunity to describe what he thought white culture was. Since he doesn't say anything, he comes off like an ass, and it seems that he knows he will get serious heat for it. He's much more comfortable slinging that word into speeches here and there to appeal to certain segments of the population. If that was not the case, then he has no clue what he blabbering about, so I again set the choices here that he is either kindof racist or at the very least pandering to those that are, or, he is an idiot who should shut up, since he obviously has no clue.
Refusal to define what one means should always be viewed with suspicion, and always be questioned by any reasonable awake journalist. If a politician says: "In want to give poor families a huge tax break!", and later refuses to define what is considered a "poor family", well.... Than he's full of crap. Quite simple.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
cry me a river...and Google "Civil Rights Act 1964" and "Slavery"...
a) Define it
or
b) Admit he's an idiot.
Forgive me I thought we were talking about 2009...oppression? entitlements for whites , black, illegals, hispanics, or women..not sure who your talking about.......everyone has some type of entitlement except white males......true? I am so sick of the slavery issue I would like to skip that one if you don't mind.
how convenient... "what oppression, and don't tell me about the generations of black people born and sold into slavery!"
And no entitlements?!?!?! Since when can't white males get welfare, food stamps, social security, medicare, medicaid, federal student aid, small business loans/grants, etc???
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
jews are middle eastern..
whites have been in the majority for all of american history, so most history is writen from the perspective of a "white" man. most american history that you hear about in school is from a "white" perpective relating to "white people". (on a side note, IMO this is why zinn's people's history of the united states is so great)...up unti well after the civil war blacks were still 3/5 of a person and until 60 years later no women were allowed to vote. they had no power to influence anything, especially history. most times miss america has been white, or not of african descent, most college loans have gone to white kids because many african americans have not had the opportunity to go to college, hence the united negro college fund. these are simply giving the african americans the opportunites they would not have in a country run by a white majority. since the majority would not help them they had to help themselves. if you would ever take a sociology class you might understand that.
the black history month opposition pisses me off, as a white man i can admit that most of what we are taught does not even touch on african american history other than slavery and the civil rights movement. i think it is completely fair to celebrate black history month. who knows, YOU might learn something. let me ask you this, are you opposed to the fact that march is women's history month as well?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Speaking as a white male, I don't really feel like I'm hurting these days at the expense of those damn minorities. I don't often find myself pining for the life of a young black man in urban Cleveland just so I can get those great entitlements they have.
he he....skip it, huh...
well, if you're unwilling to look at past behavior and reality, there is no sense moving forward with this conversation...
All that's left to say is quite whining and get over it...
I know...
But look at Woody Allen... Jerry Seinfeld... Harrison ford... Adam Sandler. Jews. White.
Do the White Power folks welcome them?
...
Well, except maybe Woody Allen... because he's one of them New York Jews.
Hail, Hail!!!
isnt owning the fucking world enough??
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And no..white power folks do not welcome us Jews. Have you never heard of a hypocritical little man named Adolf? Those white power folks tend to like his ideology.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Glenn Beck is a douche ... But yes, white people have a culture. The point re. different European backgrounds is a good one, and one that applies to ethnic minorities as well. Is it any easier to come up with a blanket definition of Asian culture, or Black culture?
Asian, probably not. American black culture? I think that whole 2-300 years of slavery thing kinda gives black Americans a pretty unified cultural background at this point. It's not like they came over with their families and traditions intact like most other American immigrants. Which is why it makes more sense to talk about black culture, they do have a unique, common heritage in America. White Americans don't really. We tended to bring over intact traditions from Europe. They're slowly being replaced as America begins to develop and define its own "culture" beyond just the melting pot, but it's not well defined enough to be able to talk about it.
Hmmm ... While I see your point (I think), one could (in theory) use the common experience of immigration period as a basis for a common culture in North America. Not sure how this would work in practice, but it is a common thread that ties everyone here together, whether your ancestors came here one generation ago or five. There is an American social fabric, even if it is pluralistic and characterized by a focus on differences at the expense of similarities. I don't know ... I maintain the position that white people in North America have a culture, even if said culture is difficult to "pin down". To be honest, slavery is a common thread in African American culture, historically speaking, but I am not sure how this history means that one group "has a culture" while another does not. Human societies are not possible in the absence of a shared culture.
Because it means African Americans have a distinct culture. I think you could say the same about Italian-Americans... immigration, crime, etc. Or Irish-American (the Irish were discriminated against in the same way blacks were when they got, minus the slavery). Or whatever. But I don't think there is such a thing as just general "white" culture in America. Honestly, the closest we have is the southern, down home, NASCAR/Palin contingent that is devoutly religious, pro-gun, and so forth. My guess is that this is what Glen Beck was referring to and he just realized what a fucking idiot he'd be to actually say that, because that culture is far from uniform and only covers a fraction of white Americans. But that's exactly what him and his ilk are trying to do... act like the true white american culture is their limited group of religiously conservative republicans... it's how they manage to get viewers so fired up about "other people" trying to take over and change "their country."
Yeah, haven't you heard the Chanukkah Song by Adam Sandler?? "Harrison Ford is a quarter jew... not too shabby!".
Which sort of explains my point... Glenn Beck speaking of a White Culture. What does that mean? Is he talking about skin color? If so, that includes Woody Allen and Jerry Seinfeld. Does he include Jewish people in that culture? If not, then who is included? Irish, English, Germans, Italians, French... Europeans?
I have no problem with Black Pride. Just like I have no problem with Irish Pride, Italian Pride, Cockney Pride or any other cultural heritage, nationalistic or otherwise pride. To each, his/her own... is what I say... even to the White Pride people... if they want to live in their own little communities and have their parades and fly their flags... let them. As long as they don't fuck with other people.
Hail, Hail!!!
A great majority of whites who came here during that time were brought as indentured servants...without their families.
The Africans didn't forget everything from their culture on the boat here.
When someone refers to people as 'white' they mean Europeans. If it were based on skin colour then things would be pretty backward as Asia tends to have more fair skinned people than Europe. so white pride would refer to Europeans. But even to say 'European Pride' would be seen as controversial..And if it can be black pride, instead of African pride, then why can't Europeans say white pride? I never quite understood all that mess.....
Which still leaves the question unanswered: What is 'White Culture'?
Is it European culture... without the national boundaries that seperate the different nationalities? If so, what are the common cultural values that are shared by the French, Germans, English, Italians, Irish, etc..? Christianity? Catholism? Paganism? Mayonaise? Baconaise? If White Culture remains undefined... how can anyone be for it or against it?
Glenn Beck makes these claims... yet, cannot define the basis of it. This is where the confusion comes in. Is he talking about 'American Culture'? Does that include the Jewish, Black, Latino and Asian people who are Americans?
I think the bottom line of all of this is that Glenn Beck is talking out of his ass when he makes these comments. My guess... and pure speculation because i am not Glenn Beck... is 'White Culture' is Anglo-Saxon/caucasian Christian American citizens of European heritage (that don't particularly care for other Europen countries... i.e. hate the French, unless they are Frenceh). I have no idea what their all encompassing 'White Culture', 'White Heritage' or 'White Customs' are. Somone will have to explain that to because... I don't know.
Hail, Hail!!!
no clue..I just wanted to point out the difference between Asian's (Jews) and European's LoL..
It's a curious question tho, really...And also, not just for whites..Cos if you really think about it, your train of thought hits a speed bump...Yes, many black American's have the shared history of ancestors who were slaves...but that isn't their culture, nor would it, in itself, be a culture..What exactly is black American culture? Cos from your specific stand point, if black culture is defined by slavery, then white culture is defined indentured servitude, abolitionism, and of course, owning slaves. Which would mean they would have an equally defined culture. Most whites in America descended from pre-civil war immigrants come from a family of abolitionists and indentured servants, not slave owners. Where slaves were used for farming, namely..Indentured servants were used for building America's infrastructure. One could say their culture bleeds from the buildings..perhaps? Abolitionism played a major role in our founding. It's very much a part of the Constitution. Our founding fathers wanted to end slavery, but understood that to include amendments that could abolish slavery right from the get would end the attempt to found a new nation before it even began because at that time, the majority of the people with any power were against abolishing slavery..Namely the people in the south. so instead they included a section regarding a census for the purpose of representation that would limit the power the south could wield so that one day they could abolish slavery. And of course, then we have the Civil War, and how many whites fought to end slavery...so their history is just as thoroughly weaved into the slavery era as the blacks.
With that said, all of that, to me, is history..not culture. Culture, to me, is how a people are, and live, today. What traditions and customs they share. Their history plays a role in what they culture has shaped up to be, but it does not define it entirely. And just the same as the many ignorant examples anyone could come up with to define white culture (gun-toting, God-fearing, Bush-loving, redneck, trailor park), one can just as easily come up with the same ignorant definition for black culture in America (gun toting, God-fearing, Obama-loving, hood rat/banger, ghetto). It's really not a good way to define people. How about we just have a plain ol' American culture. There, very much so, is a very distinct united American culture. If you can't see it, you aren't looking at things from the right perspective..
'American Culture' I understand. I also understand that American Culture spans the boundaries of race and religion. There are and have been great Americans who were White, Black, Jewish, Irish, Italian, Asian, etc... who have contributed to this all encompassing culture. Freedom and Justice for All... and all that jazz.
I way I see it... those who complain about not having White Pride month or United White College Fund or White Entertainment Television need to be careful what they wish for. It would mean they are the minority and live in a nation that is run by Blacks (or Jews or Hispanics or Arabs) in their everyday endevours. It would mean that they get one month out of 12, on television station out of 1,000 and live in de facto poverty due to lack of opportunity.
Hail, Hail!!!
Tho, one detail...most whites in America are poor due to lack of opportunity, as is the case for most poor folks...
Great Post!