'Best they could' to get Backspacer here? Let's discuss.

SolarWorld

Pearl Jam had vinyl sent to Targets nation wide. That has to be part of the delay. Something with the supply line. Why does everyone feel so entitled to shit? Making a vinyl release like this one takes a lot of time and money, shipping vinyl for example can be VERY expensive. Why don't you think about all those factors instead of

"Ten Club just really F'd this one up" "It's almost like they did it on purpose" "Yeah!"

How do any of you people claim to "know for a fact" that Ten Club "didn't try to get this out on time"? That's just ridiculous. Stop being ridiculous, not one of us knows how Ten Club / Pearl Jam handled the inner workings of distributing this release. Then to imply that it was done on purpose... I just have to laugh.

Maybe your vinyl went to the easy street sale instead? There was a whole bunch!

Ledbetterman10

Johnny Sitar wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Plankton wrote:

It's a shame because I want to buy through the TenClub, not just because of bonuses like the packaging but I want to support it/the band.

How is that supporting the band any more than buying an album at the mall is?

my impression was that the band got more money from tenclub purchases than through record stores, no?

I should have known! Pearl Jam are greedy bastards!! lol

Tangerine

Aw, guys...don't feel so bad. I still have yet to receive an email confirmation for my vinyl PLUS we drove the 25 minutes to our nearest Target store on Sunday, all giddy to pick up the CD and t-shirt and lo and behold that particular Target did not receive their shipment. So at this point I got shit! Now I know I could break down and get the iTunes version but I prefer an actual CD and was willing the "settle" for the vinyl seeing it really should have been in on Monday, now the soonest it looks like I'll get anything is this weekend provided Target did get their shipment in, lord knows I won't be getting that vinyl anytime soon if I haven't even gotten the email yet

But hey at least I got Philly to count on right?? Or at least I hope my tickets are there when we get there :roll: :?

kiljoythemerciful

SolarWorld wrote:

Maybe your vinyl went to the easy street sale instead? There was a whole bunch!

I think if you went to Easy Street the day the album came out and had been advertised it would come out on that day, you'd be like "what do you mean? The sign right there says its out today?" That's all this OP was saying. A little explanation goes a long way. Especially if all you ordered was the vinyl and you don't want to pay for something twice.

Just went to the record store and saw the vinyl there and it's not at my home yet. That's not entitlement. I already "own" a copy of Backspacer 3 months ago. I just have a big fucking ?

SolarWorld

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Maybe your vinyl went to the easy street sale instead? There was a whole bunch!

I think if you went to Easy Street the day the album came out and had been advertised it would come out on that day, you'd be like "what do you mean? The sign right there says its out today?" That's all this OP was saying. A little explanation goes a long way. Especially if all you ordered was the vinyl and you don't want to pay for something twice.

Just went to the record store and saw the vinyl there and it's not at my home yet. That's not entitlement. I already "own" a copy of Backspacer 3 months ago. I just have a big fucking ?

Not sure why you are so confused, did you fall down and hit your head? I think the pre-order said. "We will do the best we can to get these to you by the release date"

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I really feel the need to chime in here. I have been one of the biggest critics of these types of threads since they started. What brought me to this particular one, after being tired of this old subject? "let's discuss". The OP had the decency to type a well thought-out, concise, polite, and RESPECTFUL subject, wanting nothing more than an explanation. If only more threads were like this.

I'll be the first to admit, I was kindof a dick on one of those other threads, but realized the error of my ways and apologized. I still don't agree with the sentiment in those threads, but calling people names and telling them they have a sense of entitlement solves nothing. They just want to know what is driving them to buy from 10C next time around. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to know this information.

That being said, I could do without the threads that have "F**K YOU 10C! WHERE'S MY F**KING BACKSPACER?". That does nothing. And it just puts everyone on the defensive and starts arguments. I fell for it, but I won't again.

Now, sorry if you read all this looking for some insight into the problem, but I simply don't have one. I am also still waiting for my copy (CD), but I'm in Canada so I was expecting this very thing. I don't like it, but my experience told me to expect it.

I have no idea who may be at fault, but I really agree that an explanation is warranted.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

SolarWorld wrote:

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Maybe your vinyl went to the easy street sale instead? There was a whole bunch!

I think if you went to Easy Street the day the album came out and had been advertised it would come out on that day, you'd be like "what do you mean? The sign right there says its out today?" That's all this OP was saying. A little explanation goes a long way. Especially if all you ordered was the vinyl and you don't want to pay for something twice.

Just went to the record store and saw the vinyl there and it's not at my home yet. That's not entitlement. I already "own" a copy of Backspacer 3 months ago. I just have a big fucking ?

Not sure why you are so confused, did you fall down and hit your head? I think the pre-order said. "We will do the best we can to get these to you by the release date"

Have some respect. The op's very question in this thread is that very point. What should 10clubbers expect as their best for going forward?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

NOyieldingCODE wrote:

You do realize that 10club is the same entity who never has the "Christmas" single out by Christmas, right? What did you expect?

We used to get it before or around Christmas. They've gotten lazy.

isn't this the band's fault for not recording the single in time? I honestly thought they have admitted that in the past, but I could be wrong.

kiljoythemerciful

SolarWorld wrote:

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Maybe your vinyl went to the easy street sale instead? There was a whole bunch!

I think if you went to Easy Street the day the album came out and had been advertised it would come out on that day, you'd be like "what do you mean? The sign right there says its out today?" That's all this OP was saying. A little explanation goes a long way. Especially if all you ordered was the vinyl and you don't want to pay for something twice.

Just went to the record store and saw the vinyl there and it's not at my home yet. That's not entitlement. I already "own" a copy of Backspacer 3 months ago. I just have a big fucking ?

Not sure why you are so confused, did you fall down and hit your head? I think the pre-order said. "We will do the best we can to get these to you by the release date"

The same thing the cd orders said, right?

If they explain what happened, and why some people are getting it ten days AFTER it is out in stores, then maybe I will order releases through them again. If not I will presume this is standard operating and will go to my record store.

SolarWorld

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

The same thing the cd orders said, right?

If they explain what happened, and why some people are getting it ten days AFTER it is out in stores, then maybe I will order releases through them again. If not I will presume this is standard operating and will go to my record store.

Moving and producing a little book with a CD inside of it is not the same thing as moving and producing a vinyl of this quality. Why is that fact only not good enough for you. We all know that the only true way to guarantee day one on anything is to go down to the store on release day.

No one owes you an explanation of the "ins and outs" of vinyl distribution. And since when has Ten Club EVER given up details of anything so personal to their business to satisfy people on the message boards? They want everyone to have the album as soon as they can get it to you. Next album go to the store. Problem Solved.

kiljoythemerciful

SolarWorld wrote:

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

The same thing the cd orders said, right?

If they explain what happened, and why some people are getting it ten days AFTER it is out in stores, then maybe I will order releases through them again. If not I will presume this is standard operating and will go to my record store.

Moving and producing a little book with a CD inside of it is not the same thing as moving and producing a vinyl of this quality. Why is that fact only not good enough for you. We all know that the only true way to guarantee day one on anything is to go down to the store on release day.

No one owes you an explanation of the "ins and outs" of vinyl distribution. And since when has Ten Club EVER given up details of anything so personal to their business to satisfy people on the message boards? They want everyone to have the album as soon as they can get it to you. Next album go to the store. Problem Solved.

Which is what I'll do, but you'd think the TenClub would want me to go through them.

I buy and ship vinyl all the time and it is not rocket science. In fact they make protective packaging just for vinyls. You take the vinyl and put it in the packaging (30 secs max), you fill out the address (30 secs) and then ship it and in 7-10 business days it arrives at the address sent.

SolarWorld

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

Which is what I'll do, but you'd think the TenClub would want me to go through them.

What are you trying to say here? They are self sabotaging themselves? Read my above post, stop being ridiculous.

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

I buy and ship vinyl all the time and it is not rocket science. In fact they make protective packaging just for vinyls. You take the vinyl and put it in the packaging (30 secs max), you fill out the address (30 secs) and then ship it and in 7-10 business days it arrives at the address sent.

Maybe just MAYBE there wasn't a problem with shipping on ten clubs end... MAYBE they got them late. I was told at Easy Street sale that they didn't get as many as planned.

Dog Loyal

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

No one owes you an explanation of the "ins and outs" of vinyl distribution. And since when has Ten Club EVER given up details of anything so personal to their business to satisfy people on the message boards? They want everyone to have the album as soon as they can get it to you. Next album go to the store. Problem Solved.

Which is what I'll do, but you'd think the TenClub would want me to go through them.

I buy and ship vinyl all the time and it is not rocket science. In fact they make protective packaging just for vinyls. You take the vinyl and put it in the packaging (30 secs max), you fill out the address (30 secs) and then ship it and in 7-10 business days it arrives at the address sent.

True. It's like some people think Backspacer was the first vinyl record ever printed or shipped. Hilarious.

I've also ordered plenty of vinyl and never had this major of a delay. And yes SolarWorld, Ten Club does owe me and a lot of people an explanation for this fiasco. Since when are they beyond reproach, and why do you think they need you defending them from inquiry?

"The details of anything so personal to their business." How dare we question the sacred, perfect and holy Ten Club? Quick, everybody hold hands and sing Kumbaya until the dissidents give up!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

SolarWorld wrote:

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

Which is what I'll do, but you'd think the TenClub would want me to go through them.

What are you trying to say here? They are self sabotaging themselves? Read my above post, stop being ridiculous.

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

I buy and ship vinyl all the time and it is not rocket science. In fact they make protective packaging just for vinyls. You take the vinyl and put it in the packaging (30 secs max), you fill out the address (30 secs) and then ship it and in 7-10 business days it arrives at the address sent.

Maybe just MAYBE there wasn't a problem with shipping on ten clubs end... MAYBE they got them late. I was told at Easy Street sale that they didn't get as many as planned.

and MAYBE that's the point of this thread. To stop all the MAYBE's.

Dog Loyal

SolarWorld wrote:

Maybe just MAYBE there wasn't a problem with shipping on ten clubs end... MAYBE they got them late. I was told at Easy Street sale that they didn't get as many as planned.

Just quoting because I'm fascinating by the slavish, almost compulsive defensiveness on behalf of Ten Club. If they have an excuse, why aren't they proffering it?

Maybe they didn't get enough. Maybe a vendor was to blame. If so, would it kill them to make a post here or send a mass email explaining the screw up? What you need to realize is the reason Ten Club is so high handed and arrogant about this shit is because fans like you continue to butt kiss and jump to their defense and make up excuses on their behalf no matter how they've wronged other fans. You're like the enabling spouse of an abuser. Pathetic.

chromiam

SolarWorld wrote:

Maybe just MAYBE there wasn't a problem with shipping on ten clubs end... MAYBE they got them late. I was told at Easy Street sale that they didn't get as many as planned.

Then there is an easy way to solve all this questioning....

just say that

kiljoythemerciful

Johnny Sitar wrote:

and MAYBE that's the point of this thread. To stop all the MAYBE's.

Looks like someone understands the OP's and my sentiments. It is a huge deal, but if they would like me to buy new release vinyl through them again, I would like to know what happened. But perhaps this is their standard operating procedure on new vinyl, and if so fine, I'll go to the record store. It's seems like bad business on their part, maybe others disagree, fine.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Dog Loyal wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Maybe just MAYBE there wasn't a problem with shipping on ten clubs end... MAYBE they got them late. I was told at Easy Street sale that they didn't get as many as planned.

Just quoting because I'm fascinating by the slavish, almost compulsive defensiveness on behalf of Ten Club. If they have an excuse, why aren't they proffering it?

Maybe they didn't get enough. Maybe a vendor was to blame. If so, would it kill them to make a post here or send a mass email explaining the screw up? What you need to realize is the reason Ten Club is so high handed and arrogant about this shit is because fans like you continue to butt kiss and jump to their defense and make up excuses on their behalf no matter how they've wronged other fans. You're like the enabling spouse of an abuser. Pathetic.

you are dealing with level-headed people, as far as I can tell, in this thread. no need to go that extra nutbar-mile you just went. enabling spouse of an abuser. My GOD. what in the hell happens to these otherwise mature threads??

inmyrvm

2-feign-reluctance wrote:

nobody owes anybody an explanation. the amount of entitlement (logical/eloquent/rational arguments for it)popping up around here since BS's release is sick.
we live in a society where we want things at the speed of sound and when it doesn't happen, people become unhappy. let it be and see what good things will come your way by doing so.

wrong. wrong. wrong. we are paying customers. we are paying for a service/goods. this is the problem with the tenclub anymore. they do NOT communicate the things they should. yes, i'm sure they were busy. if santos can come on here and take the time to call someone out, you would think they could make a post saying "hey, the records will ship late" or "hey the chicago seats might not be the best." this is why people get mad. they do not communicate. regardless of the reason, just communicate. people wouldn't get mad, and then the people who get pissed about people being pissed wouldn't have anything to complain about. i got a shipping notice from ups today too. and you know what the sad thing is? i had no clue what it was for until i came on here. they didn't even send out a shipping notice. i wish people wouldn't jump down someone's throat on here immediately when they have something to say, good or bad. it's made this place intolerable. god it makes me miss boston lou.

helplessdancer

i herd the cd leaked...download the leak...play it on yer ipod like a mad man till the real copy arrives