A Question For Obama Supporters

cincybearcat

Jasunmark wrote:

Hey man.. the times of allowing conservatards to post whatever crazy bat shit they can think up are gone. Those of us with brains are tired of hearing made up crap.

Time to get over yourself.

soulsinging

mb262200 wrote:

Jasunmark wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I've seen a video of Obama when he was in senate and he was saying he didn't agree with government run health care. So he said anyways. Guess he changed his mind.

I'm going to guess that you didn't. As far as I'm aware (and I haven't seen every video), Obama has ALWAYS been a supporter of Health Care Reform and has been a supporter of a public option.. I think he was even, at one time, a proponent of single-payer.

Whatever

This is a wonderful example of the kind of bulletproof, wilfully partisan ignorance that is flushing the US right down the shitter. Thank you for being so willing to epitomize everything wrong with American politics today.

gimmesometruth27

hey Soulsinging. i know you have not been around for a few days, and neither have i, but i have noticed that this is the new debate style around here. immediately scream "whatever" and exit the thread when someone says something that you disagree with, even when there is evidence to support that assertion.

OnTheEdge

He did say it back when he was a senate. Beck has the video footage. But who freakin cares if he believed in it or not back then. He believes in unionized health care now so that's it. I'm not even sure if I disagree with it or not. Fuck it , we gotta try something. Let's see how it works. Jasunmark......!!!! Anybody simply says something as unimportant as what Obama said when he was a senate and you gotta flap your mouth. That's the only thing you do well is call people names and try to belittle them. What makes you so much better than everybody else, or somebody that has different beliefs than you. I've never even debated anything with you and so far you've called me a retard, dumb, stupid, redneck with a foil hat, and i'm sure theres more........!!!

OnTheEdge

What is the big freakin deal? Someone asked why Obama wasn't working on this health care bill when he was a senate and i simply stated I saw a video from way back when where Obama stated he thought unionized health care would be too destructive. Thats all, and everybodys gotta come out with names and shit. Most of you have me all wrong. Yes I consider myself republican but I don't claim everything in the republican party is right, and I don't claim everything in the democratic party is wrong. But anytime somebody brings up an issue for debate that democrats don't like they get all freaked out. Claiming it's a lie, or theres no proof, and how do all of you claim that what you believe is proof, I haven't seen much proof from anybody. Not saying it's not true, but show me, i'm open to it.I may support the health care reform, I don't see the sense in bitching about it anymore, if the white house and most of america wants it to happen then it's going to happen. To be honest, i'm kind of curious. But if I lose the insurance i have right now.....i'll definately be on here running my mouth

OnTheEdge

mb262200 wrote:

What is the big freakin deal? Someone asked why Obama wasn't working on this health care bill when he was a senate and i simply stated I saw a video from way back when where Obama stated he thought unionized health care would be too destructive. Thats all, and everybodys gotta come out with names and shit. Most of you have me all wrong. Yes I consider myself republican but I don't claim everything in the republican party is right, and I don't claim everything in the democratic party is wrong. But anytime somebody brings up an issue for debate that democrats don't like they get all freaked out. Claiming it's a lie, or theres no proof, and how do all of you claim that what you believe is proof, I haven't seen much proof from anybody. Not saying it's not true, but show me, i'm open to it.I may support the health care reform, I don't see the sense in bitching about it anymore, if the white house and most of america wants it to happen then it's going to happen. To be honest, i'm kind of curious. But if I lose the insurance i have right now.....i'll definately be on here running my mouth

It was just a little 30 second clip he showed and that was it. He wasn't making a big deal out of it or anything. Tried finding it on youtube and couldn't.......youtube must be run by leberals....haha j.k.

Cosmo

mb262200 wrote:

What is the big freakin deal? Someone asked why Obama wasn't working on this health care bill when he was a senate and i simply stated I saw a video from way back when where Obama stated he thought unionized health care would be too destructive. Thats all, and everybodys gotta come out with names and shit. Most of you have me all wrong. Yes I consider myself republican but I don't claim everything in the republican party is right, and I don't claim everything in the democratic party is wrong. But anytime somebody brings up an issue for debate that democrats don't like they get all freaked out. Claiming it's a lie, or theres no proof, and how do all of you claim that what you believe is proof, I haven't seen much proof from anybody. Not saying it's not true, but show me, i'm open to it.I may support the health care reform, I don't see the sense in bitching about it anymore, if the white house and most of america wants it to happen then it's going to happen. To be honest, i'm kind of curious. But if I lose the insurance i have right now.....i'll definately be on here running my mouth

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Okay... 'Unionized Healthcare'... what's that? Is that in either of the Health Care Bills? And yes, having Doctors union is probably pretty destructive. Besides, aren't you in a Union?
As for proof... don't you think it's a good idea to have proof? I mean, without proof... we can say anything... like "Santa Claus just rode up on the Easter Bunny and showed me a picture of God. Really. It's true... And i don't have to prove it to anyone." and you would take that on face value?
You want proof... i gave you proof on several occasions... all you needed to do was read through it.
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And yes... if someone in your upper management that sees you as only one of X amount of employees who are part of operating costs decides to cut you out in order to boost profits.. then, you lose your Heatlh Care. With a Public Option, you have an affordable choice. Without one... good luck not getting sick or injured.

OnTheEdge

mb262200 wrote:

What is the big freakin deal? Someone asked why Obama wasn't working on this health care bill when he was a senate and i simply stated I saw a video from way back when where Obama stated he thought unionized health care would be too destructive. Thats all, and everybodys gotta come out with names and shit. Most of you have me all wrong. Yes I consider myself republican but I don't claim everything in the republican party is right, and I don't claim everything in the democratic party is wrong. But anytime somebody brings up an issue for debate that democrats don't like they get all freaked out. Claiming it's a lie, or theres no proof, and how do all of you claim that what you believe is proof, I haven't seen much proof from anybody. Not saying it's not true, but show me, i'm open to it.I may support the health care reform, I don't see the sense in bitching about it anymore, if the white house and most of america wants it to happen then it's going to happen. To be honest, i'm kind of curious. But if I lose the insurance i have right now.....i'll definately be on here running my mouth

Actualy, he said disruptive and not destructive......not that it really matters because I just made it all up anyways. :roll:

OnTheEdge

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

What is the big freakin deal? Someone asked why Obama wasn't working on this health care bill when he was a senate and i simply stated I saw a video from way back when where Obama stated he thought unionized health care would be too destructive. Thats all, and everybodys gotta come out with names and shit. Most of you have me all wrong. Yes I consider myself republican but I don't claim everything in the republican party is right, and I don't claim everything in the democratic party is wrong. But anytime somebody brings up an issue for debate that democrats don't like they get all freaked out. Claiming it's a lie, or theres no proof, and how do all of you claim that what you believe is proof, I haven't seen much proof from anybody. Not saying it's not true, but show me, i'm open to it.I may support the health care reform, I don't see the sense in bitching about it anymore, if the white house and most of america wants it to happen then it's going to happen. To be honest, i'm kind of curious. But if I lose the insurance i have right now.....i'll definately be on here running my mouth

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Okay... 'Unionized Healthcare'... what's that? Is that in either of the Health Care Bills? And yes, having Doctors union is probably pretty destructive. Besides, aren't you in a Union?
As for proof... don't you think it's a good idea to have proof? I mean, without proof... we can say anything... like "Santa Claus just rode up on the Easter Bunny and showed me a picture of God. Really. It's true... And i don't have to prove it to anyone." and you would take that on face value?
You want proof... i gave you proof on several occasions... all you needed to do was read through it.
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And yes... if someone in your upper management that sees you as only one of X amount of employees who are part of operating costs decides to cut you out in order to boost profits.. then, you lose your Heatlh Care. With a Public Option, you have an affordable choice. Without one... good luck not getting sick or injured.

Unionized Health Care, socialized, or government run...whatever, i've heard it called all these. Yes i am in a union, which is why I can't get cut for costs. The union protects you from that. I may get a short layoff in which I get to keep my insurance for a small price. But yes, if I lost my benifits I could go to Public Option...that's not the point, the point is that our president says it will not interfere. I do not believe that, he's lying.

Cosmo

mb262200 wrote:

Unionized Health Care, socialized, or government run...whatever, i've heard it called all these. Yes i am in a union, which is why I can't get cut for costs. The union protects you from that. I may get a short layoff in which I get to keep my insurance for a small price. But yes, if I lost my benifits I could go to Public Option...that's not the point, the point is that our president says it will not interfere. I do not believe that, he's lying.

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So... why and how is being in a Union good for you... and not for others?

aerial

aerial"]I heard these things out of Obamas mouth, on tv. Why do I want to make it up. I'm begining to wonder if you watch anything but porn


Except no.. you didn't.

Obama never said he wants to make ILLEGAL immigrants citizens and then once they are citizens we can pay for there(sic) health care also.





First off I was against Bush as I have said over and over again.
The illegal aliens WANT to work these jobs. If not why would, they risk breaking laws to work here.

Your job is a job for losers. Must take a lot out of you filming people *ucking. Now I understand why you can't understand what the March was about because you set your standards to low! Most of the population in this country have higher standards than you. That’s why we can see corruption were you can't.[/quote]

And again.. you try to change the subject, deflect from the actual topic and slag me for what I do for a living. You don't know anything about what I do and that pretty much is in line with all your other posts.. you don't know what you're talking about at all.

But it's pretty much what I'd expect from a tea bagger.

Next.[/quote]

Here read this and prove to me it is not so. Proof Janmark does not know what he is talking about!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... _position1

ccucf1996

wow. there is such a division in our country right now. i consider myself a bit of a conservative, but not a bush supporter. don't care for obama either. didn't vote this round. both seem a bit evil to me. both seem very self promoting. imagine that from a politician.... i just imagine what our country will be like when i'm old and my kids are grown......i'm scared....

Prince Of Dorkness

aerial wrote:

Here read this and prove to me it is not so. Proof Janmark does not know what he is talking about!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... _position1

Except again, no.. that's not really what he said.. just the Washington Times over-interpreting things.

he said..

""That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else."

And then the president said... "If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all."

But he didn't say "Let's make all illegals legal and give them free health insurance." He said that it DOES mean we're going to have to sort out who's here legally and who's not here legally and how to deal with the people who aren't here legally. But he didn't say anything about giving them health care.

What grade did they teach reading in your state and did you finish it?

Cosmo

This is from the House Bill (HR 3200) itself:
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
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People who are here Illegally can still go to doctors they are willing to pay for. The Bill makes it so they cannot have access to a Public Option.
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Cosmo

aerial wrote:

Here read this and prove to me it is not so. Proof Janmark does not know what he is talking about!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... _position1

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From your own source:
"Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don't simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken," Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. "That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else.
Mr. Obama added, "If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all."
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From that, YOU interpreted it thusly:
"He says the immigration system is broken. His way to fix the system is to just make ILLEGAL immigrants citizens. Illegal means nothing any more? Then once they are citizens we can pay for there health care also."
Your interpretation was incorrect, therefore, you have provided proof that you were wrong.
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Point - Jason.

Prince Of Dorkness

Cosmo wrote:

Your interpretation was incorrect, therefore, you have provided proof that you were wrong.
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Point - Jason.

I swear, it's like they think we're just going to see a link and not click on it and read what it says.

TriumphantAngel

aerial wrote:

Jasunmark wrote:

aerial wrote:

I heard these things out of Obamas mouth, on tv. Why do I want to make it up. I'm begining to wonder if you watch anything but porn.

Except no.. you didn't.

Obama never said he wants to make ILLEGAL immigrants citizens and then once they are citizens we can pay for there(sic) health care also.

And thanks.. I was wondering how long it would be before someone tried to use "yeah, well you make porn" as a way of winning an argument with me.

For the record, I'm not ashamed of making porn at all. I'm quite proud of it, in fact.

First off I was against Bush as I have said over and over again.
The illegal aliens WANT to work these jobs. If not why would, they risk breaking laws to work here.

Your job is a job for losers. Must take a lot out of you filming people *ucking. Now I understand why you can't understand what the March was about because you set your standards to low! Most of the population in this country have higher standards than you. That’s why we can see corruption were you can't.

Maybe you could try to have a few more posts before you start judging people and making comments about their occupation. Just a thought, of course.

TriumphantAngel

Cosmo wrote:

aerial wrote:

Here read this and prove to me it is not so. Proof Janmark does not know what he is talking about!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... _position1

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From your own source:
"Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don't simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken," Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. "That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else.
Mr. Obama added, "If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all."
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From that, YOU interpreted it thusly:
"He says the immigration system is broken. His way to fix the system is to just make ILLEGAL immigrants citizens. Illegal means nothing any more? Then once they are citizens we can pay for there health care also."
Your interpretation was incorrect, therefore, you have provided proof that you were wrong.
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Point - Jason.

proof that some people only see what they want to, and grasp at anything to try and prove their non existant point.

Cosmo

TriumphantAngel wrote:

proof that some people only see what they want to, and grasp at anything to try and prove their non existant point.

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That Washington Times article was a good find. i was looking for the 'I want to make Illegal aliens [into] American citizens' statement and was getting nowhere.
I'm glad he posted that article... and i'm glad he had no idea what he was posting. It saved me the hassle of looking it up.

soulsinging

Cosmo wrote:

This is from the House Bill (HR 3200) itself:
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
...
People who are here Illegally can still go to doctors they are willing to pay for. The Bill makes it so they cannot have access to a Public Option.
...

Yeah, but if you cut out the first part of that sentence in the bill and then change a few words you'll see that it really says "this bill will allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." Nice try with posting facts and actual quotes from the bill, but i see right through your left wing media spin!