A Question For Obama Supporters
Dissident67
Posts: 570
So for the past weeks and months even I have been reading and listening everywhere about Obama's call to Congress to write and pass a health care reform bill. Obviously health care is not a black and white issue and there are many factors that come into writing the bill, which is why it obviously is taking so long. But from my observations it seems like nobody is taking the lead on the bill, everybody is just arguing their own side and nobody is trying to work together, meanwhile Obama keeps on cracking the whip to get things done and get them done quicker by setting almost impossible deadlines (June and August originally).
So my question is since Obama is so concerned with health care why when he was in the senate did he not make any effort to write health care legislation? Obama's senate record shows that while he was a senator he wrote or co-sponsored ZERO bills pertaining to health issues. This fact seems very hypocritical to me, that now he pushes Congress, when he himself failed to ever take on this task. If he didnt try and lead our Congress why can he now try and lead the country by demanding legislation.
So my question is since Obama is so concerned with health care why when he was in the senate did he not make any effort to write health care legislation? Obama's senate record shows that while he was a senator he wrote or co-sponsored ZERO bills pertaining to health issues. This fact seems very hypocritical to me, that now he pushes Congress, when he himself failed to ever take on this task. If he didnt try and lead our Congress why can he now try and lead the country by demanding legislation.
"Change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks"
Post edited by Unknown User on
0
Comments
he said this, she said that.
focus on what's going on now.
which is a total custerfuck....but anyways.
hope you get my point: look forward not backward.
why does it matter ? its not hypocritical at all. if he voted against healthcare reform, then yea. but the fact that he didnt write or sponsor a bill is irrelevant.
he knew it would be vetoed by Bush like when he vetoed health care for kids
democrats know a lot of people are going to be disappointed with whatever will get enough republicans to vote for it and don't want that stigma
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Junior Senators (Congressmen) rarely, if ever, get to sponsor the big, important bills. They get their feet wet by sponsoring little stuff... naming libraries or post offices. It teaches them the ropes in the Congress and how to make connections with more influential Senators or Representatives.
Of the 121 bills sponsored by Obama in his 3 years in the Senate, only 3 were signed into law:
S. 2125, A bill to promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
S. 3757, A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 950 Missouri Avenue in East St. Louis, Illinois, as the "Katherine Dunham Post Office Building."
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billsea ... sor=400629
...
Not exciting stuff, right? And rightly so... do you hand off your toughest assignments at work to the guy who has been doing it for the past 25 years... or to the new guy?
Why do you think the same names always come up on Bills? Kennedy, McCain, Kerry, Grahm,... there's a reason for that. It's called 'Politics'.
Hail, Hail!!!
I understand that Obama was a junior senator, but I would hardly consider him a juniorl. Obama was at the top of the radar screen of the democratic party ever since the 2004 Democratic national convention, so he certainly had the ability to co sponsor a bill that was written by another senior senator. Also the term junior only refers to the fact that Obama was the shorter tenured senator from the state of illinois, it really doesn't have anything to do with his status or ability to co sponsor a bill
I guess i am not so much concerned with the fact that he didnt write a bill, but the fact that he didnt write a bill and is now trying to use his clout as president to force Congress into writing a bill quickly. this obviously is a complex issue that cant be solved all at once, and I don't know why he thinks forcing Congress to act quickly will yield the best result, meanwhile he never tried to do anything to achieve a better healthcare system while he was a senator
Follow the links to the Bills he sponsored... click on them... read them.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billsea ... sor=400629
There are 121 of them in the 109th/110th Congress (total of 3 years).
Hail, Hail!!!
Hell, it's been a uphill battle for him as President...what do you think would have happened if he introduced legislation as a Junior Senator...?
I'm trying to understand why his efforts are "hypocritical"...perhaps he was waiting for the right time...
It's not hypocritical to pick the what you think is the right time before trying something. WHy waste time when you know the president will veto it?
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
I can't speak for President Obama, but from my own observations... Congress is the slowest ass piece of shit out there. If you don't give them deadlines... they won't do anything. You give them deadlines... and they push them out. You HAVE to give them short lead times because they will push those deadline out.
Hail, Hail!!!
You know all those people who aren't racist who are parading through the streets holding posters comparing him to Stalin and Hitler? Now, their problem ISN'T that we have a black president, their problem is that THE GOVERNMENT has wasted all their tax dollars. They think that we're taxed WAY too much.
Why did they only suddenly start to care 14 days after Obama was elected? I mean... the previous government gave tax breaks... HUGE tax breaks.. to billionaires but it's the working stiffs who are out there carrying around those Monkey dolls with Obama's face and making monkey noises.
So I'm confused... did the "Tea Baggers" just suddenly wake up in mid February and realize that for the last 8 years their money has been flushed down the toilet or given to really really rich people who pay a much lower rate of taxes?
Well and it seems to me that all the people who don't like him are a bunch of cry babies, sore losers, racists and ill-informed paranoid wearers of tinfoil hats.
So I guess America is going to have to allow for both of our opinions.
I'm assuming you mean "disciples." Because it's either that or you meant "decibels" and that would make even less sense.
Obama wants to Fundamentally change America. Why? What does he want to change it into? He says the immigration system is broken. His way to fix the system is to just make ILLEGAL immigrants citizens. Illegal means nothing any more? Then once they are citizens we can pay for there health care also. Hey why don’t we just put the rest of the world on health care? I mean we don’t want to leave anyone out do we? Maybe we can let the government have our pay checks and just dole out the food, electric, and all the other things we need to survive. That way we have no responsibilities on our backs, we won’t even have to do any thinking because they will do it for us. I’m sure the government knows what’s best for us better than we do.
OK.. now.. you realize that your little tinfoil hat tirade wasn't even CLOSE to an answer to my question, right?
That that freaky stream of paranoia and 1/4 truths just make me write you off as a nut salad and roll my eyes? All this "Obama wants o kill GrandMa and spend her inheritance to pay for abortions" bullshit isn't helping.
I asked a question about why you guys only suddenly started to care about a very long-lived problem and instead of answering it you just went on your rant of "Obama wants to kill your puppy" nonsense.
If you can't even debate and discuss with some rational thought, I'm not interested in talking with you.
And for the record, nobody wants to make all illegal immigrants legal so we can pay for their health care. If you think this is true, you need to maybe find a few new places to get news... you're not being told the truth.
If you WANT me to buy your big bag o bullshit, how about giving me a link instead of just telling me there are commies in my garden waiting to take my kids?
your reply has nothing to do with what he asked. your money has been spent on a war that has got us nowhere but nobody complained...he went into office with a surplus and left with a huge debt and economic crisis but nobody from the right was willing to say anything. the man passes a very large bill to try and stop the bleeding, which is helping, and people are up in arms because he's spending tons of money. and if this health care bill gets passed with a public option, it will finally lower health care costs for americans greatly and help reduce the deficit but for some reason people keep yelling about illegals, even though there's a direct line that states they won't be covered. Illegal immigrants aren't raping our budget and pockets like insurance companies are...and by the way, the only thing bush did was start building a fucking fence to keep out mexicans. didn't do shit about any illegal europeans or asians or anyone else. just started to build a fence..hmm he seemed pretty good at spending our money and getting nothing finished in the 8 years he was there...let's give this guy more than 8 months before you shit all over him.
((((((yawwwwn)))))))
I want to fundamentally change America.
I want America to change a Foriegn Policy that makes enemies with people around the world by funding their oppressive leaders. I want America to change the way she sees her poorest citizens and sees them as human beings, not animals. I want America to be one nation and end this ridiculous, idiotic Red State vs. Blue State mentality. I want America to ween herself from this addiction to oil... or just buy the fucking shit from the Middle East and quit meddling in their domestic politics in order to get a better deal.
...
And one thing I will NEVER understand is this... we claim to be a 'Christian Nation'... but what part of Christ's teachings tells us to treat people who come here to work like fucking vermin because we want to keep more of our money? I don't know what the answer to the Illegal immigrant issue is... maybe a work visa arrangement with Mexico and Central America... a Humanitarian solution... instead of a scape goat for our criminal employers. I'm not a Christian... so, one of you Christians needs to point out, where in the Bible does Jesus teach us this?
Hail, Hail!!!
I heard these things out of Obamas mouth, on tv. Why do I want to make it up. I'm begining to wonder if you watch anything but porn.
Except no.. you didn't.
Obama never said he wants to make ILLEGAL immigrants citizens and then once they are citizens we can pay for there(sic) health care also.
And thanks.. I was wondering how long it would be before someone tried to use "yeah, well you make porn" as a way of winning an argument with me.
For the record, I'm not ashamed of making porn at all. I'm quite proud of it, in fact.
where the hell were all of these people when we were giving hundreds of millions of dollars to sustain two wars that we had no business even fighting? why are they not upset that we give millions to the taliban and other enemy factions in iraq so that they will not attack our troops? where is the outrage that we have given kellogg brown and root, halliburton, and blackwater billions of dollars when the federal government could have done the same tasks for much less money with much less waste....these tea baggers supported the most fiscally irresponsible president and federal government in american history, and now that obama is spending millions trying to stimulate the economy and undo what has been done in such a negligent fashion they are all angry. you can't have it both ways.
the poster that called us hypocrates has no idea what they are talking about.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
First off I was against Bush as I have said over and over again.
The illegal aliens WANT to work these jobs. If not why would, they risk breaking laws to work here.
Your job is a job for losers. Must take a lot out of you filming people *ucking. Now I understand why you can't understand what the March was about because you set your standards to low! Most of the population in this country have higher standards than you. That’s why we can see corruption were you can't.
And again.. you try to change the subject, deflect from the actual topic and slag me for what I do for a living. You don't know anything about what I do and that pretty much is in line with all your other posts.. you don't know what you're talking about at all.
But it's pretty much what I'd expect from a tea bagger.
Next.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Everybody says "where were all these people when"? Where were you if it meant so much to you. This must be Bush's 3rd term because evrybody keeps bringing him up.
The point is simple. They were asking why Obama didn't get working on this in his senate seat and I was simply stating because he didn't believe in it then. And once again we're talking about Bush. I wonder how many people truly support Obama and how many people support him because there still pissed off at republicans?