A Question For Obama Supporters

Cosmo

aerial wrote:

Obama wants to Fundamentally change America. Why? What does he want to change it into? He says the immigration system is broken. His way to fix the system is to just make ILLEGAL immigrants citizens. Illegal means nothing any more? Then once they are citizens we can pay for there health care also. Hey why don’t we just put the rest of the world on health care? I mean we don’t want to leave anyone out do we? Maybe we can let the government have our pay checks and just dole out the food, electric, and all the other things we need to survive. That way we have no responsibilities on our backs, we won’t even have to do any thinking because they will do it for us. I’m sure the government knows what’s best for us better than we do.

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I want to fundamentally change America.
I want America to change a Foriegn Policy that makes enemies with people around the world by funding their oppressive leaders. I want America to change the way she sees her poorest citizens and sees them as human beings, not animals. I want America to be one nation and end this ridiculous, idiotic Red State vs. Blue State mentality. I want America to ween herself from this addiction to oil... or just buy the fucking shit from the Middle East and quit meddling in their domestic politics in order to get a better deal.
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And one thing I will NEVER understand is this... we claim to be a 'Christian Nation'... but what part of Christ's teachings tells us to treat people who come here to work like fucking vermin because we want to keep more of our money? I don't know what the answer to the Illegal immigrant issue is... maybe a work visa arrangement with Mexico and Central America... a Humanitarian solution... instead of a scape goat for our criminal employers. I'm not a Christian... so, one of you Christians needs to point out, where in the Bible does Jesus teach us this?

aerial

Jasunmark wrote:

aerial wrote:

Obama wants to Fundamentally change America. Why? What does he want to change it into? He says the immigration system is broken. His way to fix the system is to just make ILLEGAL immigrants citizens. Illegal means nothing any more? Then once they are citizens we can pay for there health care also. Hey why don’t we just put the rest of the world on health care? I mean we don’t want to leave anyone out do we? Maybe we can let the government have our pay checks and just dole out the food, electric, and all the other things we need to survive. That way we have no responsibilities on our backs, we won’t even have to do any thinking because they will do it for us. I’m sure the government knows what’s best for us better than we do.

OK.. now.. you realize that your little tinfoil hat tirade wasn't even CLOSE to an answer to my question, right?

That that freaky stream of paranoia and 1/4 truths just make me write you off as a nut salad and roll my eyes? All this "Obama wants o kill GrandMa and spend her inheritance to pay for abortions" bullshit isn't helping.

I asked a question about why you guys only suddenly started to care about a very long-lived problem and instead of answering it you just went on your rant of "Obama wants to kill your puppy" nonsense.

If you can't even debate and discuss with some rational thought, I'm not interested in talking with you.

And for the record, nobody wants to make all illegal immigrants legal so we can pay for their health care. If you think this is true, you need to maybe find a few new places to get news... you're not being told the truth.

If you WANT me to buy your big bag o bullshit, how about giving me a link instead of just telling me there are commies in my garden waiting to take my kids?

I heard these things out of Obamas mouth, on tv. Why do I want to make it up. I'm begining to wonder if you watch anything but porn.

Prince Of Dorkness

aerial wrote:

I heard these things out of Obamas mouth, on tv. Why do I want to make it up. I'm begining to wonder if you watch anything but porn.

Except no.. you didn't.

Obama never said he wants to make ILLEGAL immigrants citizens and then once they are citizens we can pay for there(sic) health care also.

And thanks.. I was wondering how long it would be before someone tried to use "yeah, well you make porn" as a way of winning an argument with me.

For the record, I'm not ashamed of making porn at all. I'm quite proud of it, in fact.

gimmesometruth27

Jasunmark wrote:

A very good question. Which I would like to counter with a question of my own.

You know all those people who aren't racist who are parading through the streets holding posters comparing him to Stalin and Hitler? Now, their problem ISN'T that we have a black president, their problem is that THE GOVERNMENT has wasted all their tax dollars. They think that we're taxed WAY too much.

Why did they only suddenly start to care 14 days after Obama was elected? I mean... the previous government gave tax breaks... HUGE tax breaks.. to billionaires but it's the working stiffs who are out there carrying around those Monkey dolls with Obama's face and making monkey noises.

So I'm confused... did the "Tea Baggers" just suddenly wake up in mid February and realize that for the last 8 years their money has been flushed down the toilet or given to really really rich people who pay a much lower rate of taxes?

+1

where the hell were all of these people when we were giving hundreds of millions of dollars to sustain two wars that we had no business even fighting? why are they not upset that we give millions to the taliban and other enemy factions in iraq so that they will not attack our troops? where is the outrage that we have given kellogg brown and root, halliburton, and blackwater billions of dollars when the federal government could have done the same tasks for much less money with much less waste....these tea baggers supported the most fiscally irresponsible president and federal government in american history, and now that obama is spending millions trying to stimulate the economy and undo what has been done in such a negligent fashion they are all angry. you can't have it both ways.

the poster that called us hypocrates has no idea what they are talking about.

aerial

Jasunmark wrote:

aerial wrote:

I heard these things out of Obamas mouth, on tv. Why do I want to make it up. I'm begining to wonder if you watch anything but porn.

Except no.. you didn't.

Obama never said he wants to make ILLEGAL immigrants citizens and then once they are citizens we can pay for there(sic) health care also.

And thanks.. I was wondering how long it would be before someone tried to use "yeah, well you make porn" as a way of winning an argument with me.

For the record, I'm not ashamed of making porn at all. I'm quite proud of it, in fact.

First off I was against Bush as I have said over and over again.
The illegal aliens WANT to work these jobs. If not why would, they risk breaking laws to work here.

Your job is a job for losers. Must take a lot out of you filming people *ucking. Now I understand why you can't understand what the March was about because you set your standards to low! Most of the population in this country have higher standards than you. That’s why we can see corruption were you can't.

Prince Of Dorkness

aerial wrote:

Jasunmark wrote:

aerial wrote:

I heard these things out of Obamas mouth, on tv. Why do I want to make it up. I'm begining to wonder if you watch anything but porn.

Except no.. you didn't.

Obama never said he wants to make ILLEGAL immigrants citizens and then once they are citizens we can pay for there(sic) health care also.

And thanks.. I was wondering how long it would be before someone tried to use "yeah, well you make porn" as a way of winning an argument with me.

For the record, I'm not ashamed of making porn at all. I'm quite proud of it, in fact.

First off I was against Bush as I have said over and over again.
The illegal aliens WANT to work these jobs. If not why would, they risk breaking laws to work here.

Your job is a job for losers. Must take a lot out of you filming people *ucking. Now I understand why you can't understand what the March was about because you set your standards to low! Most of the population in this country have higher standards than you. That’s why we can see corruption were you can't.

And again.. you try to change the subject, deflect from the actual topic and slag me for what I do for a living. You don't know anything about what I do and that pretty much is in line with all your other posts.. you don't know what you're talking about at all.

But it's pretty much what I'd expect from a tea bagger.

Next.

OnTheEdge

I've seen a video of Obama when he was in senate and he was saying he didn't agree with government run health care. So he said anyways. Guess he changed his mind.

gimmesometruth27

mb262200 wrote:

I've seen a video of Obama when he was in senate and he was saying he didn't agree with government run health care. So he said anyways. Guess he changed his mind.

he did what he had to do to get elected. i saw some campaign video of bush in 2000 saying he was "a uniter not a divider" and "a compassionate conservative" both claims were blown out of the water shortly into his presidency. so what is your point? politicians change their minds all the time.

OnTheEdge

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Jasunmark wrote:

A very good question. Which I would like to counter with a question of my own.

You know all those people who aren't racist who are parading through the streets holding posters comparing him to Stalin and Hitler? Now, their problem ISN'T that we have a black president, their problem is that THE GOVERNMENT has wasted all their tax dollars. They think that we're taxed WAY too much.

Why did they only suddenly start to care 14 days after Obama was elected? I mean... the previous government gave tax breaks... HUGE tax breaks.. to billionaires but it's the working stiffs who are out there carrying around those Monkey dolls with Obama's face and making monkey noises.

So I'm confused... did the "Tea Baggers" just suddenly wake up in mid February and realize that for the last 8 years their money has been flushed down the toilet or given to really really rich people who pay a much lower rate of taxes?

+1

where the hell were all of these people when we were giving hundreds of millions of dollars to sustain two wars that we had no business even fighting? why are they not upset that we give millions to the taliban and other enemy factions in iraq so that they will not attack our troops? where is the outrage that we have given kellogg brown and root, halliburton, and blackwater billions of dollars when the federal government could have done the same tasks for much less money with much less waste....these tea baggers supported the most fiscally irresponsible president and federal government in american history, and now that obama is spending millions trying to stimulate the economy and undo what has been done in such a negligent fashion they are all angry. you can't have it both ways.

the poster that called us hypocrates has no idea what they are talking about.

Everybody says "where were all these people when"? Where were you if it meant so much to you. This must be Bush's 3rd term because evrybody keeps bringing him up.

OnTheEdge

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I've seen a video of Obama when he was in senate and he was saying he didn't agree with government run health care. So he said anyways. Guess he changed his mind.

he did what he had to do to get elected. i saw some campaign video of bush in 2000 saying he was "a uniter not a divider" and "a compassionate conservative" both claims were blown out of the water shortly into his presidency. so what is your point? politicians change their minds all the time.

The point is simple. They were asking why Obama didn't get working on this in his senate seat and I was simply stating because he didn't believe in it then. And once again we're talking about Bush. I wonder how many people truly support Obama and how many people support him because there still pissed off at republicans?

gimmesometruth27

mb262200 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Jasunmark wrote:

A very good question. Which I would like to counter with a question of my own.

You know all those people who aren't racist who are parading through the streets holding posters comparing him to Stalin and Hitler? Now, their problem ISN'T that we have a black president, their problem is that THE GOVERNMENT has wasted all their tax dollars. They think that we're taxed WAY too much.

Why did they only suddenly start to care 14 days after Obama was elected? I mean... the previous government gave tax breaks... HUGE tax breaks.. to billionaires but it's the working stiffs who are out there carrying around those Monkey dolls with Obama's face and making monkey noises.

So I'm confused... did the "Tea Baggers" just suddenly wake up in mid February and realize that for the last 8 years their money has been flushed down the toilet or given to really really rich people who pay a much lower rate of taxes?

+1

where the hell were all of these people when we were giving hundreds of millions of dollars to sustain two wars that we had no business even fighting? why are they not upset that we give millions to the taliban and other enemy factions in iraq so that they will not attack our troops? where is the outrage that we have given kellogg brown and root, halliburton, and blackwater billions of dollars when the federal government could have done the same tasks for much less money with much less waste....these tea baggers supported the most fiscally irresponsible president and federal government in american history, and now that obama is spending millions trying to stimulate the economy and undo what has been done in such a negligent fashion they are all angry. you can't have it both ways.

the poster that called us hypocrates has no idea what they are talking about.

Everybody says "where were all these people when"? Where were you if it meant so much to you. This must be Bush's 3rd term because evrybody keeps bringing him up.

it does not matter where i was. i am not the one bitching about obama's policies now am i?

g under p

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I've seen a video of Obama when he was in senate and he was saying he didn't agree with government run health care. So he said anyways. Guess he changed his mind.

he did what he had to do to get elected. i saw some campaign video of bush in 2000 saying he was "a uniter not a divider" and "a compassionate conservative" both claims were blown out of the water shortly into his presidency. so what is your point? politicians change their minds all the time.

Well you know how it works is not a problem if Reagan came up with the czars for his administration or that GWB had as many or more czars as Obama. It matters none just as long as something anything that can be conjured up to criticize or give illegitimacy to Obama and his administration is fair game. Yes politrickians do change their minds all the time to get in office and to stay in office.

peace

gimmesometruth27

mb262200 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I've seen a video of Obama when he was in senate and he was saying he didn't agree with government run health care. So he said anyways. Guess he changed his mind.

he did what he had to do to get elected. i saw some campaign video of bush in 2000 saying he was "a uniter not a divider" and "a compassionate conservative" both claims were blown out of the water shortly into his presidency. so what is your point? politicians change their minds all the time.

The point is simple. They were asking why Obama didn't get working on this in his senate seat and I was simply stating because he didn't believe in it then. And once again we're talking about Bush. I wonder how many people truly support Obama and how many people support him because there still pissed off at republicans?

i am going to make this very simple so everyone can understand. we are talking about bush because HE WAS PRESIDENT WHEN OBAMA WAS IN THE SENATE. it has already been explained. JUNIOR SENATORS DO NOT CRAFT MAJOR SWEEPING OVERHAULS OF ENTIRE SYSTEMS. and it would have never gotten passed with republican controlled white house and congress.

i think the majority of independents and dems support obama, but i am sure there are alot of people that think the gop is dead in the water and will never support them again.

Prince Of Dorkness

mb262200 wrote:

I've seen a video of Obama when he was in senate and he was saying he didn't agree with government run health care. So he said anyways. Guess he changed his mind.

I'm going to guess that you didn't. As far as I'm aware (and I haven't seen every video), Obama has ALWAYS been a supporter of Health Care Reform and has been a supporter of a public option.. I think he was even, at one time, a proponent of single-payer.

OnTheEdge

Jasunmark wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I've seen a video of Obama when he was in senate and he was saying he didn't agree with government run health care. So he said anyways. Guess he changed his mind.

I'm going to guess that you didn't. As far as I'm aware (and I haven't seen every video), Obama has ALWAYS been a supporter of Health Care Reform and has been a supporter of a public option.. I think he was even, at one time, a proponent of single-payer.

Whatever

Prince Of Dorkness

mb262200 wrote:

Whatever

Hey man.. the times of allowing conservatards to post whatever crazy bat shit they can think up are gone. Those of us with brains are tired of hearing made up crap. If you come to a forum and post any of the "I heard that Obama eats babies" or "There's going to be Death Panels" or "The government is going to force you to buy their insurance" or "Glenn Beck strung a full sentence together last week," we're going to call you out.

IF you are conservative... by all means, give us your opinions and we can debate. But those of us from he left or - like me - from the center, are tired of having to give credence to stuff like "I once saw a video of Obama saying he was going to give all illegal aliens free pancakes on thursdays."

blackredyellow

Jasunmark wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Whatever

Hey man.. the times of allowing conservatards to post whatever crazy bat shit they can think up are gone. Those of us with brains are tired of hearing made up crap. If you come to a forum and post any of the "I heard that Obama eats babies" or "There's going to be Death Panels" or "The government is going to force you to buy their insurance" or "Glenn Beck strung a full sentence together last week," we're going to call you out.

IF you are conservative... by all means, give us your opinions and we can debate. But those of us from he left or - like me - from the center, are tired of having to give credence to stuff like "I once saw a video of Obama saying he was going to give all illegal aliens free pancakes on thursdays."

With google, youtube and everything else out there, you would think it'd be easy to prove what people claim they heard him say.

TriumphantAngel

mb262200 wrote:

I've seen a video of Obama when he was in senate and he was saying he didn't agree with government run health care. So he said anyways. Guess he changed his mind.

google is your best friend. i tried to find something to verify this, but i'm not having any luck.

your unsubstantiated accusations are making me tired, friend.

Prince Of Dorkness

TriumphantAngel wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I've seen a video of Obama when he was in senate and he was saying he didn't agree with government run health care. So he said anyways. Guess he changed his mind.

google is your best friend. i tried to find something to verify this, but i'm not having any luck.

your unsubstantiated accusations are making me tired, friend.

Oh man.. it's like when Glenn Beck said that "Some University.. I forget which one" had figured out that there were 1.8 million people at the Million Moron March.. when I challenged a guy here about that, he finally gave me the link. Turns out it was just some student from the University of Indiana... not the actual University but just some student.

They love to throw about the "I heard...." but when you challenge them, they can't actually back up their "Death Panel" claims.

gimmesometruth27

doesn't saying "i heard" make it more hearsay than fact? that is not allowed in a court of law. to me it sounds more like gossip instead of anything remotely factual.

if they have a legitimate source they will cite it, but if it is not they conveniently "forgot" or say "i heard" so they have some form of plausible deniability for spreading complete falsities.