'Pearl Jam' get more money for each record because they are doing the service that the record company would do in a normal deal. That they would be paid for.
I just don't understand what people wanted them to do. All I can think of is that people feel they should have done it like Radiohead, and allowed people to name their own price which is essentially giving away the music.
I think they have done a pretty good job explaining why they went with Target this time around. If you don't like it, write the band a letter and explain why this deal was a problem. If it really offends you, and if you really like the band, write them a letter. Enough people do it, maybe they won't sign up with Target next time around. These ridiculous posts on the fan message board do no good, that is if you really care about the band and their decisions.
I get the feeling the OP has other issues that are lighting the fires of his anger towards the rich pyre.
I say good for them getting $5 dollars an album. I know they probably make a good amount of money from merchandise and concerts, but what they get through album sales isn't too great. Lets say the band sells 1,000,000 copies and $1.50 per record goes into their pocket, that would mean the band makes $1,500,000. Now lets just assume they all get an equal slice of the pie, so you divide the 1.5M by 5 and that gets you $300,000 that each member gets for that albums record sales. Now what if the next album doesn't come out for another 3 or 4 years, that's 75k-100k to live off per year in between new records. Although, this isn't really taking into consideration what the government would take off with taxes or how much their manager and publicist would also get from it. I'm not saying what they're making is bad, but when you break it down a $1.50 per record isn't really as good as it seems, especially with how well records sell in comparison to when the band started out.
PLEASE....folks like the OP need to have their threads ignored and have them drop off the front page ASAP. So, now that I have done my part to keep the thread on the front page, I will be logging off.
I say good for them getting $5 dollars an album. I know they probably make a good amount of money from merchandise and concerts, but what they get through album sales isn't too great. Lets say the band sells 1,000,000 copies and $1.50 per record goes into their pocket, that would mean the band makes $1,500,000. Now lets just assume they all get an equal slice of the pie, so you divide the 1.5M by 5 and that gets you $300,000 that each member gets for that albums record sales. Now what if the next album doesn't come out for another 3 or 4 years, that's 75k-100k to live off per year in between new records. Although, this isn't really taking into consideration what the government would take off with taxes or how much their manager and publicist would also get from it. I'm not saying what they're making is bad, but when you break it down a $1.50 per record isn't really as good as it seems, especially with how well records sell in comparison to when the band started out.
My husband and I were talking about this the other night -- wondering how popular the new album will be, and discussing how the "real" money comes from touring. So, we looked at the concert grosses from 2006-2008, and just doing rough subtraction/division to account for five band members + Boom, taxes, charity, and the whole PJ organization, you know, I don't think they are making as much money as the OP thinks they are making. We are not talking about Bill Gates money here, or purchasing castles in Europe money, or crashing Bentleys into trees and buying new ones money.
As I try to look past my amazement over the fact that this thread has not yet been locked, well, all I can really think is that I am tired of hearing fringe elements from both ends of the political spectrum screaming about people who make "too much" money, i.e. "more money than I make." Not everyone with an above-average income is a greedy bastard, just as not everyone with a below-average income is a lazy slob. I think it's a bit messed-up that, say, basketball players make as much money as they do, but I find it counterproductive to let that fact keep me awake at night.
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I still don’t understand what the OP point is. You keep saying they have enough money, are you saying they should price the album so it only covers the costs of making it, therefore earning nothing?
Honestly it's no ones business how much money they make... it really isn't. They're making their money honestly and that's really all that matters.
To the OP you really should go back and re-read some of the articles that have been posted in regards to the release of the album and also go and read how the cost of a CD is broken down...
so let me get this right? you would rather the record labels earn the extra money than the guys who actually write & produce & tour the album?
I think this a good point. The album is not going to cost a cent more than the past albums. It is up for $9.99 on iTunes, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same price or even cheaper at Target. Pearl Jam gets a bigger slice of the pie. And as someone pointed out earlier, album sales aren't really where bands make money, because of greedy record companies, not because of greedy bands. And as was pointed out, think about an album like Riot Act, which has sold a little over 500k (source Wikipedia). $1.5 x 508,000 = 762,000/5 = $152,400. Now, that is a nice chunk of change, but that is not counting Boom, that is not counting other costs that may come out of that such as Producers, Engineers, Studio time, etc. Pearl Jam aren't starving, but, like all bands, record sales is not where the money is made. And 99 out of 100 bands would flip their shit if you told them they could make $5 profit per album, and take the deal without thinking. This is their job, and as is the case in any job, you want to make money, and as much money as you can. Pearl Jam get's to sell their albums at the same prices they always have, and make quite a bit more for themselves, the people who wrote and played all the songs!
Now, with all that said. I do not take you, the original poster of this thread, very seriously, because you are obviously a 13 year old boy, who I can forgive for using this kind of language, but I hope as you get older, you will learn to respect everyone, no matter their abilities.... http://www.r-word.org/
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you people are retarded...you're missing the point...PJ could most likely live off of the 1st 3 albums for a long time & from touring all these years. So it's like keep rewarding people who've been successful for good amount of time then we watch 'em all ca$h in, yah!! What about people who work their ass off, have little to no luck at all in life...aahhh fuck 'em..no talent, no place in anything special..
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getting paid? are you slow? there's a difference between getting paid & being fucking millionaires for years on end then flaunting it w/ your deal on a new album. Wake up! nearly 1 in 10 Americans is out of work but hey at least the rockstars & movie stars are doing good! they've always done good, always will cuz we all buy into it. We're born into it, human beings don't need entertainment to survive . If they all died tomorrow, it would have no effect on survival...plus the common person has always outnumbered the higher ups & "more blessed beautiful people" so I'm wondering when will it all tip over
Which is why PJ donates plenty of their own money to charites....
The last interview Ed said they are always being asked to be in random commercials and they turn them down. They could be making SO MUCH more money but they choose not to.
They could've stoped with the last 3 records with the amount of money they made? Why the fuck would they do that when they love making music and touring?
And has it ever occurred to you that hardly anyone buys music anymore? No shit they would rather make $5 an album as opposed to $1.50
God if you seriously think PJ are greedy now you are seriously ridiculous. You have absolutely no idea how much PJ makes, or how they run their business, your just ASSUMING they are so fucking rich and just want more and more money. The music industry has obviously changed and you fail to realize that. Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up
Honestly it's no ones business how much money they make... it really isn't. They're making their money honestly and that's really all that matters.
To the OP you really should go back and re-read some of the articles that have been posted in regards to the release of the album and also go and read how the cost of a CD is broken down...
I'm saying this in the most sincere way possible.
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everyone should check out the behind the music of TLC. it talks in detail how they sold 15 million copies of crazy sexy cool and were still broke. i think they made 50 cents or 75 cents from each copy that was sold. it was a eye opener. i can't believe i even mentioned them but it does have something related to this god awful thread.
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I think they have done a pretty good job explaining why they went with Target this time around. If you don't like it, write the band a letter and explain why this deal was a problem. If it really offends you, and if you really like the band, write them a letter. Enough people do it, maybe they won't sign up with Target next time around. These ridiculous posts on the fan message board do no good, that is if you really care about the band and their decisions.
I get the feeling the OP has other issues that are lighting the fires of his anger towards the rich pyre.
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And I think Target sucks. I'll be one of the few supporting an independent music store.
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I think it's fair that people know what's going on, before automatically jumping on the defense.
My husband and I were talking about this the other night -- wondering how popular the new album will be, and discussing how the "real" money comes from touring. So, we looked at the concert grosses from 2006-2008, and just doing rough subtraction/division to account for five band members + Boom, taxes, charity, and the whole PJ organization, you know, I don't think they are making as much money as the OP thinks they are making. We are not talking about Bill Gates money here, or purchasing castles in Europe money, or crashing Bentleys into trees and buying new ones money.
As I try to look past my amazement over the fact that this thread has not yet been locked, well, all I can really think is that I am tired of hearing fringe elements from both ends of the political spectrum screaming about people who make "too much" money, i.e. "more money than I make." Not everyone with an above-average income is a greedy bastard, just as not everyone with a below-average income is a lazy slob. I think it's a bit messed-up that, say, basketball players make as much money as they do, but I find it counterproductive to let that fact keep me awake at night.
its a bit uncomfortable alright, but who am i to doubt eddie
To the OP you really should go back and re-read some of the articles that have been posted in regards to the release of the album and also go and read how the cost of a CD is broken down...
I'm saying this in the most sincere way possible.
I think this a good point. The album is not going to cost a cent more than the past albums. It is up for $9.99 on iTunes, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same price or even cheaper at Target. Pearl Jam gets a bigger slice of the pie. And as someone pointed out earlier, album sales aren't really where bands make money, because of greedy record companies, not because of greedy bands. And as was pointed out, think about an album like Riot Act, which has sold a little over 500k (source Wikipedia). $1.5 x 508,000 = 762,000/5 = $152,400. Now, that is a nice chunk of change, but that is not counting Boom, that is not counting other costs that may come out of that such as Producers, Engineers, Studio time, etc. Pearl Jam aren't starving, but, like all bands, record sales is not where the money is made. And 99 out of 100 bands would flip their shit if you told them they could make $5 profit per album, and take the deal without thinking. This is their job, and as is the case in any job, you want to make money, and as much money as you can. Pearl Jam get's to sell their albums at the same prices they always have, and make quite a bit more for themselves, the people who wrote and played all the songs!
Now, with all that said. I do not take you, the original poster of this thread, very seriously, because you are obviously a 13 year old boy, who I can forgive for using this kind of language, but I hope as you get older, you will learn to respect everyone, no matter their abilities.... http://www.r-word.org/
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Which is why PJ donates plenty of their own money to charites....
The last interview Ed said they are always being asked to be in random commercials and they turn them down. They could be making SO MUCH more money but they choose not to.
They could've stoped with the last 3 records with the amount of money they made? Why the fuck would they do that when they love making music and touring?
And has it ever occurred to you that hardly anyone buys music anymore? No shit they would rather make $5 an album as opposed to $1.50
God if you seriously think PJ are greedy now you are seriously ridiculous. You have absolutely no idea how much PJ makes, or how they run their business, your just ASSUMING they are so fucking rich and just want more and more money. The music industry has obviously changed and you fail to realize that. Do us all a favor and shut the fuck up
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everyone should check out the behind the music of TLC. it talks in detail how they sold 15 million copies of crazy sexy cool and were still broke. i think they made 50 cents or 75 cents from each copy that was sold. it was a eye opener. i can't believe i even mentioned them but it does have something related to this god awful thread.
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