Why do so many black people defend mike vick?

Pepe Silvia

acoustic guy wrote:

jwhite173 wrote:

1. He did a bad thing.
2. He served his time.
3. If the NFL and the Eagles want Mike Vick to play football again, no one can stop it.

Let people protest, let advertisers boycott, let fans not buy tickets. The Eagles did their homework and decided to accept the risk.

Bottom line is: He did his time. Let the guy earn a living and get on with his life.

HOLD THE PHONE......
He may have did his time (not enough). And he needs to earn a living, but not play having the privliege of getting paid to play a sport. That is a privliege my friend and a convicted criminal should not have it. He can earn money a million other ways. He ALSO should not be allowed to possibly be a roll model athlete to children.
People say.." oh he made a mistake". Doing something thats wrong for SIX years is not a mistake, its calculated sir and its fucked up!" A person who can tourcher and kill animals has someting wrong in their head. ****Do you know they used to go into neighborhoods and STEAL peoples domesticated pets and use them for bait for fighting dogs? The dogs would tear them into pieces.

Anyone who defeds this fucking scumbag is a piece of shit in my book.

they get them from 'free to good home' ads, too :(

Cosmo

Deck wrote:

Living in a city predominantly black for the past seven years, I can tell you that black folk down here are more racist than whites. At least outwardly.

Of course as with nearly everything, this isn't everyone, but a large percentage.

I don't have the answer. Nor do I have the answer why many people would vote in corrupt mayors and re-elect felons simply because they are black (washington dc, memphis, detroit)

Or why they would fanatically defend OJ Simpson.

Or why they would defend Henry Louis Gates for that matter.

Or why... you get the picture.

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I am going to venture to say that they are as equally racist. I think you would run in to the same thing if you were black and living in Forsythe County, Georgia. I'm not saying it's right... it is wrong. Racism is a negative aspect of human behaviour... leastwise, in my opinion it is.
As for Michael Vick... I still say he has gone through the American justice and correctional systems and is back on the street. I am not going to judge him either way because it is not my task. But, I will say this... I would feel the same way if it were Payton Manning, Tom Brady or Joe Montana, instead of Michael Vick. I would still feel that the crime was horrible and the penalty too easy... and I would not like them as people based upon their character. If football is Vick's chosen profession... who am I to deny him? It is up to the employers, not me.

Cosmo

acoustic guy wrote:

HOLD THE PHONE......
He may have did his time (not enough). And he needs to earn a living, but not play having the privliege of getting paid to play a sport. That is a privliege my friend and a convicted criminal should not have it. He can earn money a million other ways. He ALSO should not be allowed to possibly be a roll model athlete to children.
People say.." oh he made a mistake". Doing something thats wrong for SIX years is not a mistake, its calculated sir and its fucked up!" A person who can tourcher and kill animals has someting wrong in their head. ****Do you know they used to go into neighborhoods and STEAL peoples domesticated pets and use them for bait for fighting dogs? The dogs would tear them into pieces.

Anyone who defeds this fucking scumbag is a piece of shit in my book.

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It is not up to the courts or you or me to decide whether he plays in the NFL or not... it is up to the Owners that decide to hire him.
As for him being a Role Model... if a kid looks to ANY one other than a parent as a Role Model... what does that tell you about that person as a parent?

flywallyfly

acoustic guy wrote:

jwhite173 wrote:

1. He did a bad thing.
2. He served his time.
3. If the NFL and the Eagles want Mike Vick to play football again, no one can stop it.

Let people protest, let advertisers boycott, let fans not buy tickets. The Eagles did their homework and decided to accept the risk.

Bottom line is: He did his time. Let the guy earn a living and get on with his life.

HOLD THE PHONE......
He may have did his time (not enough). And he needs to earn a living, but not play having the privliege of getting paid to play a sport. That is a privliege my friend and a convicted criminal should not have it. He can earn money a million other ways. He ALSO should not be allowed to possibly be a roll model athlete to children.
People say.." oh he made a mistake". Doing something thats wrong for SIX years is not a mistake, its calculated sir and its fucked up!" A person who can tourcher and kill animals has someting wrong in their head. ****Do you know they used to go into neighborhoods and STEAL peoples domesticated pets and use them for bait for fighting dogs? The dogs would tear them into pieces.


Anyone who defeds this fucking scumbag is a piece of shit in my book.

Well said. He regrets being caught, not what he did.

milarso

acoustic guy wrote:

HOLD THE PHONE......
He may have did his time (not enough). And he needs to earn a living, but not play having the privliege of getting paid to play a sport. That is a privliege my friend and a convicted criminal should not have it. He can earn money a million other ways. He ALSO should not be allowed to possibly be a roll model athlete to children.
People say.." oh he made a mistake". Doing something thats wrong for SIX years is not a mistake, its calculated sir and its fucked up!" A person who can tourcher and kill animals has someting wrong in their head. ****Do you know they used to go into neighborhoods and STEAL peoples domesticated pets and use them for bait for fighting dogs? The dogs would tear them into pieces.

Anyone who defeds this fucking scumbag is a piece of shit in my book.

I guess I must be a piece of shit then.
The guy went to prison for two years for his indiscretions.
Playing in the NFL is no different than any other profession in the country. Owners hire the best people to do the job. It's not a privilege. It's a job.
I love the fact that people want to come down on Michael Vick like he killed somebody, when a guy like Dante Stalworth, well, he, he actually... oh yeah...HE ACTUALLY KILLED SOMEBODY! Yet there is no uproar about him.
He can't play in the NFL for a year, but Vick, who went to prison, he shouldn't ever be allowed to work again...
Ridiculous.
And don't get me wrong. I'm a dog owner, and I love my pet. I think what Vick did is reprehensible, but he got caught, served his punishment, and now wants to work again. I have no problem with that.

And for anyone else reading this thread who is wondering about this:
"****Do you know they used to go into neighborhoods and STEAL peoples domesticated pets and use them for bait for fighting dogs? The dogs would tear them into pieces"

--I've been following this story since it broke, and I've never heard anything about this.

milarso

Oh, and I'm also white...

inmytree

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

inmytree wrote:

what the hell is reverse racism...? isn't racism just racism...?

White racism against black people isn't warranted. Black racism against white people is justified.

um...what...??

:?

thecory

milarso wrote:

Oh, and I'm also white...

oh so i guess you think you are better than Michael Vick since he's black.

thecory

sorry

milarso

thecory wrote:

milarso wrote:

Oh, and I'm also white...

oh so i guess you think you are better than Michael Vick since he's black.

Um... no.
Just responding to the thread title by letting you know that it's not just black people who defend him.
And just so we're on the same page- I don't defend what he did. But I do defend the fact that he went to prison (the one small detail that sets Vick apart from the guys people on this thread keep lumping him in with ie OJ, Michael Jackson...) and should be able to go out and find a job again, with whoever wants to hire him.
Like someone on here mentioned earlier, if the Eagles want to take the risk of hiring him and all the negative publicity that is going to come with him, more power to them.

Zoso

the fact is no one should be defending vick no matter who you are... He is a horrible terrible excuse for a human being.

Zoso

milarso wrote:

thecory wrote:

milarso wrote:

Oh, and I'm also white...

oh so i guess you think you are better than Michael Vick since he's black.

Um... no.
Just responding to the thread title by letting you know that it's not just black people who defend him.
And just so we're on the same page- I don't defend what he did. But I do defend the fact that he went to prison (the one small detail that sets Vick apart from the guys people on this thread keep lumping him in with ie OJ, Michael Jackson...) and should be able to go out and find a job again, with whoever wants to hire him.
Like someone on here mentioned earlier, if the Eagles want to take the risk of hiring him and all the negative publicity that is going to come with him, more power to them.

Football is one of the only professions that would hire him as most if not all major professions mandate a criminal background check. Therefore he couldn't be a policeman, social worker, lawyer, teacher etc etc So why in Professional Football can they hire someone with such a record? My opinion is it's the football or sport culture at fault here. He is a role model and shouldn't have gotten a second chance because a non-footballer wouldn't have got a second chance. If he wasn't pro football player he would be working at burger king right now.

milarso

Zoso wrote:

the fact is no one should be defending vick no matter who you are... He is a horrible terrible excuse for a human being.

No, that's not a fact.
That's an opinion. An opinion I respectfully disagree with.
Appreciate your passion though.

milarso

Zoso wrote:

Football is one of the only professions that would hire him as most if not all major professions mandate a criminal background check. Therefore he couldn't be a policeman, social worker, lawyer, teacher etc etc So why in Professional Football can they hire someone with such a record? My opinion is it's the football or sport culture at fault here. He is a role model and shouldn't have gotten a second chance because a non-footballer wouldn't have got a second chance. If he wasn't pro football player he would be working at burger king right now.

So every person in the world who is convicted of a felony is either playing professional football or working at Burger King...

From what I've gathered, the only fields that would be completely shut out to those convicted of felonies seem to be law enforcement, education and most jobs in health care. However, I might be wrong on this.

And to say that your main reason for believing he should not have received a second chance is "because a non-footballer wouldn't have got a second chance" isn't fair at all. People all over the country receive second chances every day.

I understand where your coming from, just don't agree.
Perhaps they don't receive the chance to make a million dollars, but they still get a second chance.

Cosmo

I think there's a bit of confusion here... just because some of us say that we don't believe Michael Vick should not be given an opportunity to work for someone who is willing to hire him... we're looking at you, Philadelphia... means we 'support' him. We don't. We also believe he is a vile person with a horrible character who commited a heinous crime. The difference is, we don't think he should receive a greater punishment than anyone else who commits the same crime. We also believe that the penalty is not strict enough, but we know we cannot change it after the fact. They do that kind of shit... changinfg the punishment for people they hate in places like Iran, China and Pakistan. We can all still hate him and/or his crime.
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I hope the blitzing weakside linebacker for the Giants is a PeTA member.

milarso

Cosmo wrote:

I think there's a bit of confusion here... just because some of us say that we don't believe Michael Vick should not be given an opportunity to work for someone who is willing to hire him... we're looking at you, Philadelphia... means we 'support' him. We don't. We also believe he is a vile person with a horrible character who commited a heinous crime. The difference is, we don't think he should receive a greater punishment than anyone else who commits the same crime. We also believe that the penalty is not strict enough, but we know we cannot change it after the fact. They do that kind of shit... changinfg the punishment for people they hate in places like Iran, China and Pakistan. We can all still hate him and/or his crime.
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I hope the blitzing weakside linebacker for the Giants is a PeTA member.

+1
Agree completely, except for maybe the part about the penalty not being stiff enough. Should he have been punished more by the courts? Probably.
But a lot of people forget that the guy went from millionaire to bankruptcy court, and pretty much lost everything he had because of this.
He also lost three years of the prime of his career because of it.
I think he probably should have spent more time in prison, because it was such a heinous act, but people who act like he just got a slap on the wrist aren't taking into account the punishment he received outside of the courts.

even flow - question mark

Cosmo wrote:

I hope the blitzing weakside linebacker for the Giants is a PeTA member.

Illegal helmet to spine on the blindside hit? Or just a clean knock the air out of him kind of hit? Just so I have a better visual there Cosmo.

musicismylife78

I always thought the support for Vick from the black community, came out because of the conditions in inner city america. The fact that people would flip their lids, legitimately of course, and say Vick is a monster for what he did, are the same people who do nothing but go to work each day, all the while, our soldiers are shipped off to die in Iraq and afghanistan, without a word.

Additionally, violence and death and horrible things happen all the time in the inner city. I remember hearing a lecture by a radical black activist, who talked about growing up in Camden NJ, and how as a kid, every single week he was going to a funeral for his fellow friends. How one halloween, a friend was shot by a policeman, while this activist was right there. He got blood on his white t-shirt.

I think there is hypocrisy in the reactions these incidents get. Vick killing dogs is front page news everywhere, but deaths like that black radical activist experienced, and the deaths of soldiers in iraq, go on unnoticed and uncommented on.

Thats my interpretation

JOEJOEJOE

even flow - question mark wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

I hope the blitzing weakside linebacker for the Giants is a PeTA member.

Illegal helmet to spine on the blindside hit? Or just a clean knock the air out of him kind of hit? Just so I have a better visual there Cosmo.

MY sources tell me that all of the "animal" teams in the NFL (except for the Carolina Panthers & Jacksonville Jaguars) have all put a contract out on Vick.

JOEJOEJOE

inmytree wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

inmytree wrote:

what the hell is reverse racism...? isn't racism just racism...?

White racism against black people isn't warranted. Black racism against white people is justified.

um...what...??

:?

Oppressing the opressor is poetic justice.