Chemtrails: Conspiracy "Theory" No Longer

CJMST3K

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

the water is for the fluoride, and the anti-depressants to make you docile.

My teeth are full of cavities, but I am indeed calm about it. ...so, they're getting only half the job done.

weenie

Tenzing N. wrote:

Again- great question. This is an important one because it seems to be the basis for the entire chemtrail theory.

Let me give it a shot...

First, I'd like you to imagine contrails as a mathematic equation. In order for contrails to appear you need a perfectly balanced equation. Let's look at some of the variables.

You need moisture. I'm sure you're aware that the atmosphere all around you is full of moisture. You only notice it when it's humid out or when you see a cloud. In order for this moisture to become visible you need to cool the air mass its in to its dewpoint.

Second you need something for the moisture in the air to cling to. Without some sort of particle present the water molecules can't condense on anything no matter how cool the air gets. These are condensation nuclei.

Third you need the correct temperature. If it's too warm the airmass will never cool to the dew point and the moisture will never condense and become visible.

If any of these variables are absent or out of proportion the moisture will not become visible.

No lets look at what you might call a "normal" contrail. These are the types that form and then rapidly dissipate behind the aircraft. The aircraft is flying around in super cool air so that variable is already present. As a byproduct of combustion the aircraft engines are producing several things. Two of those things are CO2 and water vapor. So now you have the moisture present as well. The third thing these engines produce are little yucky bits of fine particulates as the result of incomplete combustion. (They are the leftovers of the combustion process.) So now you have something for the water molecules to condense upon, the condensation nuclei. Now you have all the necessary ingredients... but only for a few seconds. Remember, these "equations" are very well balanced and if you lose one thing it goes awry and the contrails disappear.

The problem with these types of contrails is that they exist in very dry air. The air at altitude is very cold and can not hold very much moisture. As soon as the contrails form they are immediately turned to ice crystals and these crystals quickly sublimate (turn directly to vapor again). There isn’t enough water vapor present to replace the sublimating ice crystals and the contrail goes away.

Now- if you could somehow replace that moisture you would rebalance the equation and the contrail would persist indefinitely.

If you’ll notice most chemtrail advocates have made the correlation between an increase in chemtrail activity and the subsequent bad weather that follows. This relationship does exist but the chemtrail people have it backwards. The persistent contrails are caused by the weather system, not the other way around. These weather systems, called lows, are represented by the big L on the weather maps. They move around the world lifting large amounts of air and moisture high up into the atmosphere. These systems cause clouds, rain and storms. Ahead of these systems the air at the altitude commercial aircraft operate is filled with moisture. It’s just not visible (yet). So now you have moisture present, cold air present but no particles for this moisture to cling to and condense upon so it stays invisible. If you fly an aircraft through this area you introduce large amounts of particulate for the moisture to condense on and you get contrails. The difference now is that when the ice crystals sublimate there is plenty of moisture present to replace it. In fact, the act of sublimation cools the particle down and new water molecules are attracted, thus perpetuating the process. (It goes on and on until something comes along to disrupt the equation.)

I Hope that all makes sense. The main thing I want you to remember is this: If you look up and see a short contrail it means the air at that altitude is too dry and the contrail falls apart. If you see a long contrail the air is just right to keep the contrail going. In fact, the short contrails shouldn’t be considered contrails at all.

Next question?

Again, thorough explanation based on science. I LOVE IT!

There really are no other questions at this point. I'd like to point out that I am not a "believer" in anything. All I "know" is what I experience as truth. That said, I keep my mind OPEN to ALL possibilities and consider the realm of information surrounding those possibilities. You have pretty much quelled any probabilities I held with regard to this issue.

Because there is historical evidence, as well as admission by the government, regarding experiments the military has conducted in the past on humans, animals and our environment - any open minded individual will consider all possibilities. To do otherwise is an ignorant choice when empirical data is lacking.

You reference scientific data, not "opinions" from published material. That makes all the difference. I appreciate your informative viewpoint and your taking the time to present relevant fact-based data.

I hope you stick around this particular forum. We could use more people who can discuss/debate ideas and theories with data, history and fact as opposed to emotion-based opinion - which is fine when discussing philosophical ideas, but useless when discussing physical anomalies and historical occurrences.

Kudos Tenzing N........

Tenzing N.

Thank you for taking the time to read my explainations. I was hoping for more participation from others. I think this is a fun theory for some to hold onto. It's full of visual "evidence" and like I said before has lots of room for conspiracy.

I was doing a ferry flight (no passengers on board) the other day and I thought about using my plane to draw some sort of picture in the sky with my contrail. Unfortunately there was proabably no one on the ground paying attention enough to see it but it would have been fun.

If anyone ever points to a picture showing suspicious flight patterns just know that- for the most part- we, as pilots are able to ask for anything we want up at altitude and unless it's in congested airspace we are usually allowed to do it. I could make parrallel lines, words (hard!), x's, whatever I want. This would waste some gas but there are some flights where we are required to go up and test something and we may need to fly around arbitrarily for a while. There are "normal" flight patterns such as prescribed arrival procedures or jet routes but remember- it's open sky, we can go off the "road" whenever we need to for all sorts of reasons (weather, traffic, or to shorten the route for instance).

Anyway, thanks again for reading- Tenzing.

OutOfBreath

Thank you Tenzing, for clearing this up for us.
It's about what I expected without having a science degree in the field or anything.

Thorough explanations using experience and science often makes a lot of tall claims go "poof" like this one just did.

Kudos, and may you speak again on other issues as well.

Peace
Dan