New Album Sponsership?

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  • dimitrispearljam
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    ledvedderman wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    You guys seriously didn't see this coming eleven years ago?

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    Seriously, all of this talk is stupid. The music business has changed. Records aren't selling like they used to, so I'm all for doing whatever it takes to get your music heard.
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  • CJMST3K
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    On the same trip I pick up the new PJ album at Target, I think I'm gonna also buy toilet paper, and styrofoam boxes (for the ozone layer). :D
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    In the lyrics of NOT FOR YOU it doesn't say except for Target!

    Sony might have been a nesseccary avenue to get albums out..THEY ARE A RECORD COMPANY! A whole lot differant than Target!

    I go way back with PJ and I always liked them for their alternative to conventional ways. Its just upsetting.
  • benjs
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    CJMST3K wrote:
    On the same trip I pick up the new PJ album at Target, I think I'm gonna also buy toilet paper, and styrofoam boxes (for the ozone layer). :D
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    fluff4u wrote:
    In the lyrics of NOT FOR YOU it doesn't say except for Target!

    Sony might have been a nesseccary avenue to get albums out..THEY ARE A RECORD COMPANY! A whole lot differant than Target!

    I go way back with PJ and I always liked them for their alternative to conventional ways. Its just upsetting.

    The Target deal is also a necessary avenue to get albums out. You have to understand that now Pearl Jam is their own record company. They don't have anyone like Sony to make the deals with Target and Best Buy on their behalf. They do it all.

    I'm not quite sure what you would have them do...not sell the album in major retailers? They want the album to be available for purchase, and that means making deals with corporations, as they've done their entire career.

    You should just be happy they only aligned themselves with one retailer for this release, instead of being in bed with EVERYONE from Best Buy to Wal-mart - like Sony was on their behalf for many many years.
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  • 100 Pacer
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    I don't understand the need for sponsorship from target commercial on TV? WTF!. They always were against this sort of thing. All this does is cheapen the music and make it a joke.

    Why do they need to do it? Just release it where you can, how much money do they need?

    I would think most of there fans would be pissed about this?

    judging from the title you've chosen for this thread, you clearly don't appreciate the difference between "sponsorship" and "strategic business alliance". the band paid out of pocket to record and produce the album, the band will retain complete and total control of their material, and the band will not be doing in-store signings at your local Target. be mindful of what you accuse the band of doing, or not doing in this case,...
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    100 Pacer wrote:
    fluff4u wrote:
    I don't understand the need for sponsorship from target commercial on TV? WTF!. They always were against this sort of thing. All this does is cheapen the music and make it a joke.

    Why do they need to do it? Just release it where you can, how much money do they need?

    I would think most of there fans would be pissed about this?

    judging from the title you've chosen for this thread, you clearly don't appreciate the difference between "sponsorship" and "strategic business alliance". the band paid out of pocket to record and produce the album, the band will retain complete and total control of their material, and the band will not be doing in-store signings at your local Target. be mindful of what you accuse the band of doing, or not doing in this case,...

    People get angry at what they don't understand... :lol:
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  • JS42804
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    whatever way you look at it, aligning yourself with a major corporation is still a very slippery slope. This might just be the first step before PJ starts putting out ads like Bono for Steve Jobs. :shock:
  • primussucks
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    fluff4u wrote:
    In the lyrics of NOT FOR YOU it doesn't say except for Target!

    Sony might have been a nesseccary avenue to get albums out..THEY ARE A RECORD COMPANY! A whole lot differant than Target!

    I go way back with PJ and I always liked them for their alternative to conventional ways. Its just upsetting.
    Look at it this way, aren't they basically giving the middle finger to Wal-Mart and Best Buy????
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  • Purex37
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    primussucks wrote:
    fluff4u wrote:
    In the lyrics of NOT FOR YOU it doesn't say except for Target!

    Sony might have been a nesseccary avenue to get albums out..THEY ARE A RECORD COMPANY! A whole lot differant than Target!

    I go way back with PJ and I always liked them for their alternative to conventional ways. Its just upsetting.
    Look at it this way, aren't they basically giving the middle finger to Wal-Mart and Best Buy????

    In the original press release, their manager said that Target understood that indie record shops were not their competition. No doubt that was a shot at Best Buy.

    Did any of the same complainers have a problem a decade ago when there were TV commercials on like MTV telling us to go out and buy Yield? Maybe you're the fuckin' hypocrites... They're not selling other products with their music, just trying to sell their own album. Get over it.
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  • fluff4u
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    Eduardo Veduardo. wrote:
    fluff4u wrote:
    In the lyrics of NOT FOR YOU it doesn't say except for Target!

    Sony might have been a nesseccary avenue to get albums out..THEY ARE A RECORD COMPANY! A whole lot differant than Target!

    I go way back with PJ and I always liked them for their alternative to conventional ways. Its just upsetting.

    The Target deal is also a necessary avenue to get albums out. You have to understand that now Pearl Jam is their own record company. They don't have anyone like Sony to make the deals with Target and Best Buy on their behalf. They do it all.

    I'm not quite sure what you would have them do...not sell the album in major retailers? They want the album to be available for purchase, and that means making deals with corporations, as they've done their entire career.

    You should just be happy they only aligned themselves with one retailer for this release, instead of being in bed with EVERYONE from Best Buy to Wal-mart - like Sony was on their behalf for many many years.


    Now explain the commercial. Do they have to do that?
  • Purex37
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    fluff4u wrote:
    Now explain the commercial. Do they have to do that?

    How is this commercial any different than the recent ones for the re-release of Ten? Or for that matter... Check out this link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzjOXidORYg

    In fact, Cameron Crowe filming a commercial to sell the new album at Target is really no different than the videos that were done for Alive and Even Flow back in the day. They were made to help sell Ten. Sony probably even paid MTV to put them on the air initially.
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  • fluff4u
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    Purex37 wrote:
    fluff4u wrote:
    Now explain the commercial. Do they have to do that?

    How is this commercial any different than the recent ones for the re-release of Ten? Or for that matter... Check out this link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzjOXidORYg

    In fact, Cameron Crowe filming a commercial to sell the new album at Target is really no different than the videos that were done for Alive and Even Flow back in the day. They were made to help sell Ten. Sony probably even paid MTV to put them on the air initially.


    I am sorry if you don't see the differance between making a live music video for a "music station" That supposed to be about music than selling a product for Target. Huge differance!
  • Better Dan
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    fluff4u wrote:
    Purex37 wrote:
    fluff4u wrote:
    Now explain the commercial. Do they have to do that?

    How is this commercial any different than the recent ones for the re-release of Ten? Or for that matter... Check out this link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzjOXidORYg

    In fact, Cameron Crowe filming a commercial to sell the new album at Target is really no different than the videos that were done for Alive and Even Flow back in the day. They were made to help sell Ten. Sony probably even paid MTV to put them on the air initially.


    I am sorry if you don't see the differance between making a live music video for a "music station" That supposed to be about music than selling a product for Target. Huge differance!

    Its their own product! They are doing it for them, not Target.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
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    fluff4u wrote:

    I am sorry if you don't see the differance between making a live music video for a "music station" That supposed to be about music than selling a product for Target. Huge differance!
    only in our minds.
  • PJStatTracker
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    fluff4u wrote:

    Now explain the commercial. Do they have to do that?

    Did you have a problem with the Yield commercials? This isn't new territory, and it is possible that they had to do it to secure the deal they wanted with Target...who knows...
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  • Purex37
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    fluff4u wrote:
    Purex37 wrote:
    fluff4u wrote:
    Now explain the commercial. Do they have to do that?

    How is this commercial any different than the recent ones for the re-release of Ten? Or for that matter... Check out this link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzjOXidORYg

    In fact, Cameron Crowe filming a commercial to sell the new album at Target is really no different than the videos that were done for Alive and Even Flow back in the day. They were made to help sell Ten. Sony probably even paid MTV to put them on the air initially.


    I am sorry if you don't see the differance between making a live music video for a "music station" That supposed to be about music than selling a product for Target. Huge differance!

    First off... even you had to say "supposed to be about" because we all know MTV is not about the music. Even when Grunge peaked, it wasn't about the music. Someone brought up Not For You earlier. That song is aimed at the business side of the music industry. Companies like MTV specifically. At Soldier Field in 1995 Eddie made fun of Q101 for using the line all over Chicago on their ads when the 'joke was on them because it's not for them'.

    And why do you need to say selling a product? The product is fairly clear. It is called 'Backspacer'. Did you watch the Yield commercial I linked above? It's the same shit. Did you freak out like this eleven years ago?

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  • High Fidelity 2000
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    CJMST3K wrote:
    On the same trip I pick up the new PJ album at Target, I think I'm gonna also buy toilet paper, and styrofoam boxes (for the ozone layer). :D


    That was awesome! I actually went to Target today and bought a gigantic pack of toilet paper (Charmin mega rolls on sale)...

    Funny thing about the Yield commercial is that people thought THAT was selling out back in the day. Pearl Jam on a TV commercial?

    The most important thing about this thread (since everything else has already all been said) that no one has mentioned is SPONSORSHIP.

    With an -or at the end of sponsor.

    Don't you remember the "Sponsored by No One" tour?? Spelling, people.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
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    "All you know about me is what I've sold you,
    Dumb fuck.
    I sold out long before you ever even heard my name.

    I sold my soul to make a record,
    Dip shit,
    And then you bought one."

    wait, wrong band...
  • i_luv_pies
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    Rather than start a new thread.. thought I would ask in here! Has anybody got any ideas when they will reveal the new album artwork?

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