I don't understand the Target thing.

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  • twojawas
    twojawas Posts: 318
    NC264109 wrote:
    I don't think this would have been on their radar ten years ago.

    Downloading CD quality albums in 3 minutes (for free!) wasn't on the radar ten years ago either.

    I totally understand why PJ has chosen to make 'a deal with the devil', so to speak, and I don't blame them at all.
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  • Cosmic Slop
    Cosmic Slop Posts: 107
    I wrote tenclub recently because I wanted to buy the new single and vinyl and it wouldn't let me combine shipping, and I was hoping it was a glitch. Anyways, they said they couldn't for whatever bullshit reason. So I asked how I could buy them if I lived in a place without Target, and I got this response:

    "CIMS stores in the US will have all formats. Not sure about rest of world.
    10c"

    Is it just me or is that not helpful at all? I don't think I'll have a problem buying the album outside the US, but I don't know about the single or vinyl.
  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,633
    blondieblue227 wrote:
    Vedd Hedd wrote:
    They used to do business with Wal-Mart, Target, BestBuy, Costco, Kmart. Now its just Target, because Target allows them to deal with indie stores.

    They probably make LESS MONEY this way.

    is that why 10c ticket prices have gone up?

    (not trying to start shit)

    if i'm paying more because pj got rid of their record company, i think i'm ok with that. :)


    Ticket prices went up because the price of everything went up. Not to mention there are more people in the band now. You think Boom works for free? And his roadies?
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  • nc_jammer1
    nc_jammer1 Posts: 547
    Cosmo wrote:
    NC264109 wrote:
    I'm from Canada, so I won't have to find the closest Target to buy Backspacer,..at least I hope not.
    I just can't wrap my head around this arrangement with Target for the new album distribution.

    I'm just afraid that it comes off as hypocritical.

    :?
    ...
    You're from Canada, eh? So, all you have to do is find your way to this website.

    Hey eh ! But like you know, if I order from 10c you know,..its like, you know $15 US for shipping . So why , you know, would I be that stupid. I'll just drive to my canadian Walmart or HMV and buy it. But its funny, I can even find my way to this website from Canada, it didn't take too long, :P
  • nc_jammer1
    nc_jammer1 Posts: 547
    So what would you all say if Ed comes on stage with a vintage Target t-shirt ? Would you finally see the irony ?
  • thunderDAN
    thunderDAN Posts: 2,094
    NC264109 wrote:
    tvismyfriend wrote:
    The Target deal is only for the US. In Canada you should be able to buy it from any place that sells cds.

    Thats good for us,..I was wondering how the American fans feel about this arrangement.

    I feel that maybe they're taking baby steps out of their socially aware non-commercial attitude of their 30's, and starting to dip their toes into new waters,...sorta like U2, Coldplay etc.

    the President Eddie wanted in office is now in office and now they have to tour around the country overcharging fans and signing deals with corporations in order to pay the taxes Obama will be placing on the members of Pearl Jam. Eddie said in 2003 he didn't agree with the tax cut and wanted to give it back to the fans, well times change when that cut is actually gone huh?
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    NC264109 wrote:
    So what would you all say if Ed comes on stage with a vintage Target t-shirt ? Would you finally see the irony ?

    oh my. :roll:

    People aren't seeing the bigger picture here. This is NOT a deal with the devil, or that age-old over-used term "selling out". If that was the case, simply getting a record deal would be selling out. Yeah, because people in bands don't need to make money.

    They don't have to worry about distribution. They possibly get mass promotion (they HAVE filmed a commercial for this, remember). And, like was said many times, Target is the only big boxer that allows indie stores and their website to also carry the product. This is as far away from selling out as you can get these days, whatever "selling out" really actually means (it's really an absurd concept, isn't it? I guess that means I sell out every day going to my job). Seriously, I really think that the guys have also learned to go with what will get their music to the masses. Remember their big fight against TM? That ended with the tour being cancelled, and that helped NO ONE. Not the band, not the fans, not anyone.

    People have to stop putting these guys on some moral pedestal and holding them to that higher standard. They are human and have bills and families just like the rest of us.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    thunderDAN wrote:
    NC264109 wrote:
    tvismyfriend wrote:
    The Target deal is only for the US. In Canada you should be able to buy it from any place that sells cds.

    Thats good for us,..I was wondering how the American fans feel about this arrangement.

    I feel that maybe they're taking baby steps out of their socially aware non-commercial attitude of their 30's, and starting to dip their toes into new waters,...sorta like U2, Coldplay etc.

    the President Eddie wanted in office is now in office and now they have to tour around the country overcharging fans and signing deals with corporations in order to pay the taxes Obama will be placing on the members of Pearl Jam. Eddie said in 2003 he didn't agree with the tax cut and wanted to give it back to the fans, well times change when that cut is actually gone huh?

    The music industry of even 2003 is way different than the music industry of 2009. It basically no longer exists, so things have to change with the business model. Overcharging fans? What?? The last show I saw of them in 2005 was in a huge venue, sold out, and was a cheaper price than most shows I go to. AND they played for nearly 3 f**king hours.

    And show me one fan club that gives what they give for the price they charge. Pearl Jam is WAY better to their fans than 99% (if not 100%) of bands out there, and I'm proud to say that they are my favourite band.
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  • blondieblue227
    blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    Vedd Hedd wrote:


    Ticket prices went up because the price of everything went up. Not to mention there are more people in the band now. You think Boom works for free? And his roadies?

    no.
    thank you for the smartassed response.
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  • nc_jammer1
    nc_jammer1 Posts: 547
    the President Eddie wanted in office is now in office and now they have to tour around the country overcharging fans and signing deals with corporations in order to pay the taxes Obama will be placing on the members of Pearl Jam. Eddie said in 2003 he didn't agree with the tax cut and wanted to give it back to the fans, well times change when that cut is actually gone huh?[/quote]

    The music industry of even 2003 is way different than the music industry of 2009. It basically no longer exists, so things have to change with the business model. Overcharging fans? What?? The last show I saw of them in 2005 was in a huge venue, sold out, and was a cheaper price than most shows I go to. AND they played for nearly 3 f**king hours.

    And show me one fan club that gives what they give for the price they charge. Pearl Jam is WAY better to their fans than 99% (if not 100%) of bands out there, and I'm proud to say that they are my favourite band.[/quote]

    no doubt,..great ticket prices (when its not a festival), great fanclub,...Pearl Jam is my band, now and forever.
  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,633
    blondieblue227 wrote:
    Vedd Hedd wrote:


    Ticket prices went up because the price of everything went up. Not to mention there are more people in the band now. You think Boom works for free? And his roadies?

    no.
    thank you for the smartassed response.


    It really wasnt smartassed. It was more tongue-in-cheek. Didnt mean to offend.
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  • blondieblue227
    blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    Vedd Hedd wrote:


    It really wasnt smartassed. It was more tongue-in-cheek. Didnt mean to offend.


    It's alright. peace-out. 8-)
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  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,633
    blondieblue227 wrote:
    Vedd Hedd wrote:


    It really wasnt smartassed. It was more tongue-in-cheek. Didnt mean to offend.


    It's alright. peace-out. 8-)
    :mrgreen:
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  • Cosmic Slop
    Cosmic Slop Posts: 107
    Yeah, so i still don't know where the fuck I'm going to buy the single and vinyl in Canada.
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Cosmic Slop wrote:
    Yeah, so i still don't know where the fuck I'm going to buy the single and vinyl in Canada.

    can't you pre-order from the 10c?
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  • twojawas
    twojawas Posts: 318
    Cosmic Slop wrote:
    Yeah, so i still don't know where the fuck I'm going to buy the single and vinyl in Canada.

    You'll have no problems finding it in Canada. Futureshop or Best Buy will have it guaranteed. These exclusive details are only for the US and the band's management has already stated that independents will be carrying it as well.
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  • CJMST3K
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    paulonious wrote:
    NC264109 wrote:

    People have to stop putting these guys on some moral pedestal and holding them to that higher standard. They are human and have bills and families just like the rest of us.


    Just to confirm, it's still ok for Ed to insult other artists about it tho, right?

    (EG: the Jewel rant about her linking her song with a product by the same name)
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  • Songburst
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    Cosmo wrote:
    NC264109 wrote:
    I'm from Canada, so I won't have to find the closest Target to buy Backspacer,..at least I hope not.
    I just can't wrap my head around this arrangement with Target for the new album distribution.

    I'm just afraid that it comes off as hypocritical.

    :?
    ...
    You're from Canada, eh? So, all you have to do is find your way to this website.
    So long as you don't mind getting raped by the 10C with bs shipping charges. I would love to buy the LP and CD from this website but I refuse to pay 22.50 to have a cd and LP shipped seperately. For 22.50, the band should hand deliver us our purchases or at least send Rubysdad over to give us a reach around after they are done with us. Easy Street Records charges $11 to ship a cd and a vinyl (together?!?!?! - is this legal?) and I get a cool sticker ta boot.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    WE'VE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!!!
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    CJMST3K wrote:
    paulonious wrote:
    NC264109 wrote:

    People have to stop putting these guys on some moral pedestal and holding them to that higher standard. They are human and have bills and families just like the rest of us.


    Just to confirm, it's still ok for Ed to insult other artists about it tho, right?

    (EG: the Jewel rant about her linking her song with a product by the same name)

    That's a little different, I think. Pearl Jam isn't hawking Target. They are just using them to distribute their album.

    When Pearl Jam allows a tampon company to use "Oceans" just because of the lyric "hold on to the thread," then we can talk.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do

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