I just looking forward to some nice big posters of the guys hanging in my neighborhood Target
a little eye candy while shopping hopefully
proud to be a fan however they get their music to me
I just looking forward to some nice big posters of the guys hanging in my neighborhood Target
a little eye candy while shopping hopefully
proud to be a fan however they get their music to me
I already posted in the other "delayed-reaction" thread. But , just to recap, major record stores are gone -- Virgin Megastore has closed its doors, Tower long since went online-only. While at first I too was outraged, I've gotten over it because the entire music business is in a MAJOR overhall. I think the only reason major record labels still exist is because they're all part of bigger corporate entities, like Sony which makes electronics, Warner which is just a giant media behemoth. Indie stores will still have Backspacer, so everything is cool. So we'll let PJ slide on this one, and keep a watchful eye on their next move.
Its really easy to understand. When they put out an album they need to distribute the album to stores to sell the album. Pearl Jam is not under any kind of record contract so they do not have a label or a distributer. So, they chose Target as a way of distributing the new album to the masses that don't order online or have a local indy record store.
Notwithstanding any credibilty issues, a deal with Target is usually very beneficial to the band. They get national commercials run for the album, and,of great importance, Target agrees to buy a large number of units, and the band gets paid right away for all of the units sold to Target. Even if Target doesn't sell their entire stock, the band gets paid, so there are no weird computations that usually effect the band's royalty payments.
Under normal distribution deals, the band/label are at the mercy of the distributor for their share of the related royalties.
I'm from Canada, so I won't have to find the closest Target to buy Backspacer,..at least I hope not.
I just can't wrap my head around this arrangement with Target for the new album distribution.
I'm just afraid that it comes off as hypocritical.
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You're from Canada, eh? So, all you have to do is find your way to this website.
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I'm from Canada, so I won't have to find the closest Target to buy Backspacer,..at least I hope not.
I just can't wrap my head around this arrangement with Target for the new album distribution.
I'm just afraid that it comes off as hypocritical.
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i dont really see how its so hypocritical. all their other albums are available at Target, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, etc. so now i cant buy an album at Wal-mart, who cares?
I haven't done extensive research, so forgive me if I'm wrong,...but isn't it true that they've struck a deal with Target to be the sole big store distributor for this new album. I don't think this would have been on their radar ten years ago.
no it would not have been on their radar 10 years ago. because they had a label to do that for them. if they were in this position of being label free like they are now, it probably would have.
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I wrote tenclub recently because I wanted to buy the new single and vinyl and it wouldn't let me combine shipping, and I was hoping it was a glitch. Anyways, they said they couldn't for whatever bullshit reason. So I asked how I could buy them if I lived in a place without Target, and I got this response:
"CIMS stores in the US will have all formats. Not sure about rest of world.
10c"
Is it just me or is that not helpful at all? I don't think I'll have a problem buying the album outside the US, but I don't know about the single or vinyl.
They used to do business with Wal-Mart, Target, BestBuy, Costco, Kmart. Now its just Target, because Target allows them to deal with indie stores.
They probably make LESS MONEY this way.
is that why 10c ticket prices have gone up?
(not trying to start shit)
if i'm paying more because pj got rid of their record company, i think i'm ok with that.
Ticket prices went up because the price of everything went up. Not to mention there are more people in the band now. You think Boom works for free? And his roadies?
I'm from Canada, so I won't have to find the closest Target to buy Backspacer,..at least I hope not.
I just can't wrap my head around this arrangement with Target for the new album distribution.
I'm just afraid that it comes off as hypocritical.
:?
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You're from Canada, eh? So, all you have to do is find your way to this website.
Hey eh ! But like you know, if I order from 10c you know,..its like, you know $15 US for shipping . So why , you know, would I be that stupid. I'll just drive to my canadian Walmart or HMV and buy it. But its funny, I can even find my way to this website from Canada, it didn't take too long, :P
The Target deal is only for the US. In Canada you should be able to buy it from any place that sells cds.
Thats good for us,..I was wondering how the American fans feel about this arrangement.
I feel that maybe they're taking baby steps out of their socially aware non-commercial attitude of their 30's, and starting to dip their toes into new waters,...sorta like U2, Coldplay etc.
the President Eddie wanted in office is now in office and now they have to tour around the country overcharging fans and signing deals with corporations in order to pay the taxes Obama will be placing on the members of Pearl Jam. Eddie said in 2003 he didn't agree with the tax cut and wanted to give it back to the fans, well times change when that cut is actually gone huh?
So what would you all say if Ed comes on stage with a vintage Target t-shirt ? Would you finally see the irony ?
oh my. :roll:
People aren't seeing the bigger picture here. This is NOT a deal with the devil, or that age-old over-used term "selling out". If that was the case, simply getting a record deal would be selling out. Yeah, because people in bands don't need to make money.
They don't have to worry about distribution. They possibly get mass promotion (they HAVE filmed a commercial for this, remember). And, like was said many times, Target is the only big boxer that allows indie stores and their website to also carry the product. This is as far away from selling out as you can get these days, whatever "selling out" really actually means (it's really an absurd concept, isn't it? I guess that means I sell out every day going to my job). Seriously, I really think that the guys have also learned to go with what will get their music to the masses. Remember their big fight against TM? That ended with the tour being cancelled, and that helped NO ONE. Not the band, not the fans, not anyone.
People have to stop putting these guys on some moral pedestal and holding them to that higher standard. They are human and have bills and families just like the rest of us.
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The Target deal is only for the US. In Canada you should be able to buy it from any place that sells cds.
Thats good for us,..I was wondering how the American fans feel about this arrangement.
I feel that maybe they're taking baby steps out of their socially aware non-commercial attitude of their 30's, and starting to dip their toes into new waters,...sorta like U2, Coldplay etc.
the President Eddie wanted in office is now in office and now they have to tour around the country overcharging fans and signing deals with corporations in order to pay the taxes Obama will be placing on the members of Pearl Jam. Eddie said in 2003 he didn't agree with the tax cut and wanted to give it back to the fans, well times change when that cut is actually gone huh?
The music industry of even 2003 is way different than the music industry of 2009. It basically no longer exists, so things have to change with the business model. Overcharging fans? What?? The last show I saw of them in 2005 was in a huge venue, sold out, and was a cheaper price than most shows I go to. AND they played for nearly 3 f**king hours.
And show me one fan club that gives what they give for the price they charge. Pearl Jam is WAY better to their fans than 99% (if not 100%) of bands out there, and I'm proud to say that they are my favourite band.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Ticket prices went up because the price of everything went up. Not to mention there are more people in the band now. You think Boom works for free? And his roadies?
no.
thank you for the smartassed response.
*~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*
the President Eddie wanted in office is now in office and now they have to tour around the country overcharging fans and signing deals with corporations in order to pay the taxes Obama will be placing on the members of Pearl Jam. Eddie said in 2003 he didn't agree with the tax cut and wanted to give it back to the fans, well times change when that cut is actually gone huh?[/quote]
The music industry of even 2003 is way different than the music industry of 2009. It basically no longer exists, so things have to change with the business model. Overcharging fans? What?? The last show I saw of them in 2005 was in a huge venue, sold out, and was a cheaper price than most shows I go to. AND they played for nearly 3 f**king hours.
And show me one fan club that gives what they give for the price they charge. Pearl Jam is WAY better to their fans than 99% (if not 100%) of bands out there, and I'm proud to say that they are my favourite band.[/quote]
no doubt,..great ticket prices (when its not a festival), great fanclub,...Pearl Jam is my band, now and forever.
Ticket prices went up because the price of everything went up. Not to mention there are more people in the band now. You think Boom works for free? And his roadies?
no.
thank you for the smartassed response.
It really wasnt smartassed. It was more tongue-in-cheek. Didnt mean to offend.
Yeah, so i still don't know where the fuck I'm going to buy the single and vinyl in Canada.
You'll have no problems finding it in Canada. Futureshop or Best Buy will have it guaranteed. These exclusive details are only for the US and the band's management has already stated that independents will be carrying it as well.
People have to stop putting these guys on some moral pedestal and holding them to that higher standard. They are human and have bills and families just like the rest of us.
Just to confirm, it's still ok for Ed to insult other artists about it tho, right?
(EG: the Jewel rant about her linking her song with a product by the same name)
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I'm from Canada, so I won't have to find the closest Target to buy Backspacer,..at least I hope not.
I just can't wrap my head around this arrangement with Target for the new album distribution.
I'm just afraid that it comes off as hypocritical.
:?
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You're from Canada, eh? So, all you have to do is find your way to this website.
So long as you don't mind getting raped by the 10C with bs shipping charges. I would love to buy the LP and CD from this website but I refuse to pay 22.50 to have a cd and LP shipped seperately. For 22.50, the band should hand deliver us our purchases or at least send Rubysdad over to give us a reach around after they are done with us. Easy Street Records charges $11 to ship a cd and a vinyl (together?!?!?! - is this legal?) and I get a cool sticker ta boot.
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People have to stop putting these guys on some moral pedestal and holding them to that higher standard. They are human and have bills and families just like the rest of us.
Just to confirm, it's still ok for Ed to insult other artists about it tho, right?
(EG: the Jewel rant about her linking her song with a product by the same name)
That's a little different, I think. Pearl Jam isn't hawking Target. They are just using them to distribute their album.
When Pearl Jam allows a tampon company to use "Oceans" just because of the lyric "hold on to the thread," then we can talk.
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I just looking forward to some nice big posters of the guys hanging in my neighborhood Target
a little eye candy while shopping hopefully
proud to be a fan however they get their music to me
cheers to that
is that why 10c ticket prices have gone up?
(not trying to start shit)
if i'm paying more because pj got rid of their record company, i think i'm ok with that.
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Under normal distribution deals, the band/label are at the mercy of the distributor for their share of the related royalties.
You're from Canada, eh? So, all you have to do is find your way to this website.
Hail, Hail!!!
no it would not have been on their radar 10 years ago. because they had a label to do that for them. if they were in this position of being label free like they are now, it probably would have.
Downloading CD quality albums in 3 minutes (for free!) wasn't on the radar ten years ago either.
I totally understand why PJ has chosen to make 'a deal with the devil', so to speak, and I don't blame them at all.
"CIMS stores in the US will have all formats. Not sure about rest of world.
10c"
Is it just me or is that not helpful at all? I don't think I'll have a problem buying the album outside the US, but I don't know about the single or vinyl.
Ticket prices went up because the price of everything went up. Not to mention there are more people in the band now. You think Boom works for free? And his roadies?
Nuclear fission
Hey eh ! But like you know, if I order from 10c you know,..its like, you know $15 US for shipping . So why , you know, would I be that stupid. I'll just drive to my canadian Walmart or HMV and buy it. But its funny, I can even find my way to this website from Canada, it didn't take too long, :P
the President Eddie wanted in office is now in office and now they have to tour around the country overcharging fans and signing deals with corporations in order to pay the taxes Obama will be placing on the members of Pearl Jam. Eddie said in 2003 he didn't agree with the tax cut and wanted to give it back to the fans, well times change when that cut is actually gone huh?
oh my. :roll:
People aren't seeing the bigger picture here. This is NOT a deal with the devil, or that age-old over-used term "selling out". If that was the case, simply getting a record deal would be selling out. Yeah, because people in bands don't need to make money.
They don't have to worry about distribution. They possibly get mass promotion (they HAVE filmed a commercial for this, remember). And, like was said many times, Target is the only big boxer that allows indie stores and their website to also carry the product. This is as far away from selling out as you can get these days, whatever "selling out" really actually means (it's really an absurd concept, isn't it? I guess that means I sell out every day going to my job). Seriously, I really think that the guys have also learned to go with what will get their music to the masses. Remember their big fight against TM? That ended with the tour being cancelled, and that helped NO ONE. Not the band, not the fans, not anyone.
People have to stop putting these guys on some moral pedestal and holding them to that higher standard. They are human and have bills and families just like the rest of us.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
The music industry of even 2003 is way different than the music industry of 2009. It basically no longer exists, so things have to change with the business model. Overcharging fans? What?? The last show I saw of them in 2005 was in a huge venue, sold out, and was a cheaper price than most shows I go to. AND they played for nearly 3 f**king hours.
And show me one fan club that gives what they give for the price they charge. Pearl Jam is WAY better to their fans than 99% (if not 100%) of bands out there, and I'm proud to say that they are my favourite band.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
no.
thank you for the smartassed response.
The music industry of even 2003 is way different than the music industry of 2009. It basically no longer exists, so things have to change with the business model. Overcharging fans? What?? The last show I saw of them in 2005 was in a huge venue, sold out, and was a cheaper price than most shows I go to. AND they played for nearly 3 f**king hours.
And show me one fan club that gives what they give for the price they charge. Pearl Jam is WAY better to their fans than 99% (if not 100%) of bands out there, and I'm proud to say that they are my favourite band.[/quote]
no doubt,..great ticket prices (when its not a festival), great fanclub,...Pearl Jam is my band, now and forever.
It really wasnt smartassed. It was more tongue-in-cheek. Didnt mean to offend.
Nuclear fission
It's alright. peace-out.
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can't you pre-order from the 10c?
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You'll have no problems finding it in Canada. Futureshop or Best Buy will have it guaranteed. These exclusive details are only for the US and the band's management has already stated that independents will be carrying it as well.
Just to confirm, it's still ok for Ed to insult other artists about it tho, right?
(EG: the Jewel rant about her linking her song with a product by the same name)
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*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
for the least they could possibly do
That's a little different, I think. Pearl Jam isn't hawking Target. They are just using them to distribute their album.
When Pearl Jam allows a tampon company to use "Oceans" just because of the lyric "hold on to the thread," then we can talk.
for the least they could possibly do