Red Sox vs. Phillies. 2009 World Series... Pj play Spectrum

Solat13

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Meh...I don't see much difference. If anything, we're better offensively with Ibanez than Burrell. Pitching will be sure'd up by then. I'm tellin ya, this is the EXACT same scenario/situation as last year. They're definitely making a trade for pitching after the All-Star break. And, man, if they land Halladay - if there's any real substance to Ricciardi saying what he's saying - then holy shitballs watch out.

The Phils would be scary with Halladay. But would they add an additional 5 mil to payroll this year and 15 plus next year.

They already have the 4th highest payroll in baseball (Boston is 6th btw.) And if they add Halladay they would move to 2nd for next year.

Drop The Leash 10

Solat13 wrote:

Ryan_WFC wrote:

Drop The Leash 10 wrote:

and on a side note, i was at that instant replay game! the umps wouldnt end a game on an instant replay.. there's no way that would be any good for the game.. at all.

But anyway, my point was we went toe to toe with the Sox in that series, and we've been much more of a September and October kind of team the past two years.

The Phils did look good against the Sox - not counting the rain delay game on Saturday. I mean counting that Series the Sox are 14-4 against the Phils the last 5 years, but this year's team looks like a good match against Boston.

see i thought lasts year team would of been an amazing match... can you picture Cole Hamels vs. Josh Beckett.. Game 1 of the World Series.. that would have been epic at the least.

i just dont think the phillies have what it takes to... win the world series... barring they get there first.

im not trying to glorify the sox at all. they have the best record in the AL and it shows.

Jearlpam0925

Solat13 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Meh...I don't see much difference. If anything, we're better offensively with Ibanez than Burrell. Pitching will be sure'd up by then. I'm tellin ya, this is the EXACT same scenario/situation as last year. They're definitely making a trade for pitching after the All-Star break. And, man, if they land Halladay - if there's any real substance to Ricciardi saying what he's saying - then holy shitballs watch out.

The Phils would be scary with Halladay. But would they add an additional 5 mil to payroll this year and 15 plus next year.

They already have the 4th highest payroll in baseball (Boston is 6th btw.) And if they add Halladay they would move to 2nd for next year.

Well, Myers makes what? 15 this year? And he's coming off the books, so adding Halladay would be sort of awash. And I think it's been reported that the Phils wouldn't mind taking on some salary if it's the right caliber of player. They can afford it too this year - no one can tell me otherwise. Seriously, Halladay - a sinker ball pitcher - in The Bank who has a lifetime 3.47 ERA in the AL. Imagine that in the NL...on this team. Hamels and Halladay? 1A & 1A. That, to me, would be the best tandem since Johnson and Schilling. And, I would give up all these prospects for him since you land him for another year - if the rumor of Drabek, Taylor, and Happ is legit then I'm doing that in a heartbeat. Throw in whatever other prospect you want too.

Solat13

Drop The Leash 10 wrote:

see i thought lasts year team would of been an amazing match... can you picture Cole Hamels vs. Josh Beckett.. Game 1 of the World Series.. that would have been epic at the least.

i just dont think the phillies have what it takes to... win the world series... barring they get there first.

im not trying to glorify the sox at all. they have the best record in the AL and it shows.

Well last year would have been interesting if the Sox had pulled out Game 7 against Tampa. Myers is on record saying he will never pitch in Fenway after the whole spouse abuse incident in Boston. That would have hamstrung the Phils because he wouldn't have been able to pitch except for Game 4, but alas that never came to be.

But I think the four best teams in baseball and the LCS' will be Sox and Yanks and Phils and Dodgers. No matter how it plays out Fox will be happy.

Ryan_WFC

Solat13 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Meh...I don't see much difference. If anything, we're better offensively with Ibanez than Burrell. Pitching will be sure'd up by then. I'm tellin ya, this is the EXACT same scenario/situation as last year. They're definitely making a trade for pitching after the All-Star break. And, man, if they land Halladay - if there's any real substance to Ricciardi saying what he's saying - then holy shitballs watch out.

The Phils would be scary with Halladay. But would they add an additional 5 mil to payroll this year and 15 plus next year.

They already have the 4th highest payroll in baseball (Boston is 6th btw.) And if they add Halladay they would move to 2nd for next year.

Not necessarily. Bretty Myers ($12MM) would come off the books next year, as would the money we're currently paying to Jenkins ($6MM), Eaton ($8MM), and even Thome ($2.5MM).

Drop The Leash 10

if you guys get halladay, you guys are NL favorites right with the dodgers. im still not doubting atlanta though. if they get a bat come the deadline... they'll make a run at the division.. the mets are a complete joke right now.

Solat13

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Well, Myers makes what? 15 this year? And he's coming off the books, so adding Halladay would be sort of awash. And I think it's been reported that the Phils wouldn't mind taking on some salary if it's the right caliber of player. They can afford it too this year - no one can tell me otherwise. Seriously, Halladay - a sinker ball pitcher - in The Bank who has a lifetime 3.47 ERA in the AL. Imagine that in the NL...on this team. Hamels and Halladay? 1A & 1A. That, to me, would be the best tandem since Johnson and Schilling. And, I would give up all these prospects for him since you land him for another year - if the rumor of Drabek, Taylor, and Happ is legit then I'm doing that in a heartbeat. Throw in whatever other prospect you want too.

Myers is at 12 mil this year.

If the Halladay trade happened, the Phils payroll would be at 112 million without resigning any free agents or signing anyone who is arbitration eligible in the offseason. Only the Yanks who are committed to $166 mil would be higher. (Actually the Cubs are committed to $119) So the Phils would be third. Sorry about the mistake in my previous post.

Drop The Leash 10

Solat13 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Well, Myers makes what? 15 this year? And he's coming off the books, so adding Halladay would be sort of awash. And I think it's been reported that the Phils wouldn't mind taking on some salary if it's the right caliber of player. They can afford it too this year - no one can tell me otherwise. Seriously, Halladay - a sinker ball pitcher - in The Bank who has a lifetime 3.47 ERA in the AL. Imagine that in the NL...on this team. Hamels and Halladay? 1A & 1A. That, to me, would be the best tandem since Johnson and Schilling. And, I would give up all these prospects for him since you land him for another year - if the rumor of Drabek, Taylor, and Happ is legit then I'm doing that in a heartbeat. Throw in whatever other prospect you want too.

Myers is at 12 mil this year.

If the Halladay trade happened, the Phils payroll would be at 112 million without resigning any free agents or signing anyone who is arbitration eligible in the offseason. Only the Yanks who are committed to $166 mil would be higher. (Actually the Cubs are committed to $119) So the Phils would be third. Sorry about the mistake in my previous post.

where do you get this information?! :shock:

Jearlpam0925

Drop The Leash 10 wrote:

if you guys get halladay, you guys are NL favorites right with the dodgers. im still not doubting atlanta though. if they get a bat come the deadline... they'll make a run at the division.. the mets are a complete joke right now.

Yeah, to me, the Braves are the threat in the division. But they've already gone on record to say that they most likely won't add another bat. I think McLouth was their only big move. I really like their pitching, but they can't hit for dick. Marlins are going to stick around only because of their pitching, but will drop off in the long run. The Mets, the more they play like a AAAA team, might put themselves in too much of a hole to even think about crawling out come August. So that leaves Atlanta to me. Honestly - and I'm not trying to be a homer here - (and knock on wood) if the Phils hit their stride right about now, I don't think it'll matter come September.

Solat13

Drop The Leash 10 wrote:

where do you get this information?! :shock:

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/

This along with http://baseball-reference.com are the two greatest baseball sites for baseball junkies.

Jearlpam0925

Solat13 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Well, Myers makes what? 15 this year? And he's coming off the books, so adding Halladay would be sort of awash. And I think it's been reported that the Phils wouldn't mind taking on some salary if it's the right caliber of player. They can afford it too this year - no one can tell me otherwise. Seriously, Halladay - a sinker ball pitcher - in The Bank who has a lifetime 3.47 ERA in the AL. Imagine that in the NL...on this team. Hamels and Halladay? 1A & 1A. That, to me, would be the best tandem since Johnson and Schilling. And, I would give up all these prospects for him since you land him for another year - if the rumor of Drabek, Taylor, and Happ is legit then I'm doing that in a heartbeat. Throw in whatever other prospect you want too.

Myers is at 12 mil this year.

If the Halladay trade happened, the Phils payroll would be at 112 million without resigning any free agents or signing anyone who is arbitration eligible in the offseason. Only the Yanks who are committed to $166 mil would be higher. (Actually the Cubs are committed to $119) So the Phils would be third. Sorry about the mistake in my previous post.

Who's arbitration eligible after this year? I'm not that concerned due to mostly a lot of the key players have been locked up in deals - ie Vic, Werth, Rauuuullll, Rollins(who the Phils can opt out on so I would maybe think about using him in a trade? Dare I say it!), Feliz, Utley, Howard, etc.

Solat13

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Solat13 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Well, Myers makes what? 15 this year? And he's coming off the books, so adding Halladay would be sort of awash. And I think it's been reported that the Phils wouldn't mind taking on some salary if it's the right caliber of player. They can afford it too this year - no one can tell me otherwise. Seriously, Halladay - a sinker ball pitcher - in The Bank who has a lifetime 3.47 ERA in the AL. Imagine that in the NL...on this team. Hamels and Halladay? 1A & 1A. That, to me, would be the best tandem since Johnson and Schilling. And, I would give up all these prospects for him since you land him for another year - if the rumor of Drabek, Taylor, and Happ is legit then I'm doing that in a heartbeat. Throw in whatever other prospect you want too.

Myers is at 12 mil this year.

If the Halladay trade happened, the Phils payroll would be at 112 million without resigning any free agents or signing anyone who is arbitration eligible in the offseason. Only the Yanks who are committed to $166 mil would be higher. (Actually the Cubs are committed to $119) So the Phils would be third. Sorry about the mistake in my previous post.

Who's arbitration eligible after this year? I'm not that concerned due to mostly a lot of the key players have been locked up in deals - ie Vic, Werth, Rauuuullll, Rollins(who the Phils can opt out on so I would maybe think about using him in a trade? Dare I say it!), Feliz, Utley, Howard, etc.

Blanton, Victorino and Durbin off the top of my head. Bruntlett too, but who cares about him.

Jearlpam0925

Solat13 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Solat13 wrote:

Myers is at 12 mil this year.

If the Halladay trade happened, the Phils payroll would be at 112 million without resigning any free agents or signing anyone who is arbitration eligible in the offseason. Only the Yanks who are committed to $166 mil would be higher. (Actually the Cubs are committed to $119) So the Phils would be third. Sorry about the mistake in my previous post.

Who's arbitration eligible after this year? I'm not that concerned due to mostly a lot of the key players have been locked up in deals - ie Vic, Werth, Rauuuullll, Rollins(who the Phils can opt out on so I would maybe think about using him in a trade? Dare I say it!), Feliz, Utley, Howard, etc.

Blanton, Victorino and Durbin off the top of my head. Bruntlett too, but who cares about him.

I thought they signed Vic to a deal?

EDIT: By the way, as long as they sell out that park they can compete financially.

Drop The Leash 10

Solat13 wrote:

Drop The Leash 10 wrote:

where do you get this information?! :shock:

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/

This along with http://baseball-reference.com are the two greatest baseball sites for baseball junkies.

wow. thanks for that.

Solat13

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

I thought they signed Vic to a deal?

1 year deal to avoid arb this year. He's still waiting his payday and if makes the All Star team and gets another gold glove, he's inline for a significant raise.

The Fixer

Ryan_WFC wrote:

Drop The Leash 10 wrote:

and on a side note, i was at that instant replay game! the umps wouldnt end a game on an instant replay.. there's no way that would be any good for the game.. at all.

I hate instant replay, but they need to be consistent about when/whether to use it if it's going to be part of MLB.

But anyway, my point was we went toe to toe with the Sox in that series, and we've been much more of a September and October kind of team the past two years.

Losing Myers hurt, and Lidge is a question mark now, but we'll make a big trade or two to improve.

I also despise replay in all sports...especially baseball.

and blaming the umps is just plain weak...it's part of sports.

why are there so many red sox fans all of a sudden anyway? 5 years ago there weren't that many...now they are the dallas cowboys of baseball (except boston has won something during the last 10 years).

As I've said on the board before...tampa is coming out of the AL

Ryan_WFC

We have Michael Taylor, a right fielder, dominating in Double-A. It wouldn't surprise me if they move Werth or Victorino in the offseason to make room for him.

Kyle Drabek is another hot prospect knocking on the door -- a hard-throwing righty -- so they might let Blanton walk.

Good time to be a Phillies fan...

Cliffy6745

As of today, per Ken Rosenthal and MLB Trade Rumors, the Jays are starting to listen to offers for Halladay. It is going to take any teams farm and a CC type contract to get him though. After how much trouble the Padres had trying to trade Peavy I would not hold your breath.

If the Yanks are playing the same night as a show it looks like I would have to miss a show.

The Fixer

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Solat13 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Meh...I don't see much difference. If anything, we're better offensively with Ibanez than Burrell. Pitching will be sure'd up by then. I'm tellin ya, this is the EXACT same scenario/situation as last year. They're definitely making a trade for pitching after the All-Star break. And, man, if they land Halladay - if there's any real substance to Ricciardi saying what he's saying - then holy shitballs watch out.

The Phils would be scary with Halladay. But would they add an additional 5 mil to payroll this year and 15 plus next year.

They already have the 4th highest payroll in baseball (Boston is 6th btw.) And if they add Halladay they would move to 2nd for next year.

Well, Myers makes what? 15 this year? And he's coming off the books, so adding Halladay would be sort of awash. And I think it's been reported that the Phils wouldn't mind taking on some salary if it's the right caliber of player. They can afford it too this year - no one can tell me otherwise. Seriously, Halladay - a sinker ball pitcher - in The Bank who has a lifetime 3.47 ERA in the AL. Imagine that in the NL...on this team. Hamels and Halladay? 1A & 1A. That, to me, would be the best tandem since Johnson and Schilling. And, I would give up all these prospects for him since you land him for another year - if the rumor of Drabek, Taylor, and Happ is legit then I'm doing that in a heartbeat. Throw in whatever other prospect you want too.

Myers makes 8 this year dude...you're way off

give up the farm for halladay and plan the repeat parade

phils have 32 sellouts this year (in games played so far)...so they can afford to add payroll. it's just a matter of whether or not the faceless ownership groups would sign off on it.

Cliffy6745

Solat13 wrote:

Drop The Leash 10 wrote:

where do you get this information?! :shock:

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/

This along with http://baseball-reference.com are the two greatest baseball sites for baseball junkies.

The 2 best baseball sites period! I live on Baseball Reference