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WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
edited June 2009 in A Moving Train
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526102,00.html


I'd have to say the fix was in from the start.

I could be wrong though....
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    prfctlefts wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526102,00.html


    I'd have to say the fix was in from the start.

    I could be wrong though....

    It appears someone or some country wants to keep Ahmadinejad in power. Could it be to keep the rhetoric of possibly war with Iran going?

    Who could it be now?

    Peace
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  • VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,818
    g under p wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526102,00.html


    I'd have to say the fix was in from the start.

    I could be wrong though....

    It appears someone or some country wants to keep Ahmadinejad in power. Could it be to keep the rhetoric of possibly war with Iran going?

    Who could it be now?

    Peace

    You sound like a whacko conspiracy theorist, and therefore you're probably right! :)
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I have no confidence in the Iranian system... especially when it is th Ayatollah that really runs the show over there.
    ...
    The explanation could be as simple as many Iranians feel that Ahackmeninginidad kept the Iranian people safe because not one military attack from the United States or Israel took place on his watch.
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  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    You guys crack me up, if Hitler and Stalin rised from the grave and came here and but flossed with the American flag, you would still say we deserved it.

    Could it be that hes a dictator who refueses to cooperate with the rest of the world, and most of Iran doesn't want to live in fear of a war with the west, and voted him out? I don't get you people, here is a moment where things could change for the better and you still want to see a dictator in power who hates the west just because you hate our government? Aren't you the same people who went on and on about GW doing the same thing and how he needed to be removed from power because hes a corrupt and war hungry? But its ok to keep him in power in Iran just becauses hes not cooperating with the rest of the world, therefor "fighting back".

    :roll:
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    You guys crack me up, if Hitler and Stalin rised from the grave and came here and but flossed with the American flag, you would still say we deserved it.

    Could it be that hes a dictator who refueses to cooperate with the rest of the world, and most of Iran doesn't want to live in fear of a war with the west, and voted him out? I don't get you people, here is a moment where things could change for the better and you still want to see a dictator in power who hates the west just because you hate our government? Aren't you the same people who went on and on about GW doing the same thing and how he needed to be removed from power because hes a corrupt and war hungry? But its ok to keep him in power in Iran just becauses hes not cooperating with the rest of the world, therefor "fighting back".

    :roll:

    uhhh ... what the heck are you talking about? ... sounds like you came into this thread already with a preconceived notion of what would be in it and responded accordingly ... no one here is saying they want the guy in power ... ???
  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    You guys crack me up, if Hitler and Stalin rised from the grave and came here and but flossed with the American flag, you would still say we deserved it.

    Could it be that hes a dictator who refueses to cooperate with the rest of the world, and most of Iran doesn't want to live in fear of a war with the west, and voted him out? I don't get you people, here is a moment where things could change for the better and you still want to see a dictator in power who hates the west just because you hate our government? Aren't you the same people who went on and on about GW doing the same thing and how he needed to be removed from power because hes a corrupt and war hungry? But its ok to keep him in power in Iran just becauses hes not cooperating with the rest of the world, therefor "fighting back".

    :roll:

    Who are you arguing with? I think everyone here wants to see a fair election that results in leadership supported by the majority of the Iranian people.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    You guys crack me up, if Hitler and Stalin rised from the grave and came here and but flossed with the American flag, you would still say we deserved it.

    Could it be that hes a dictator who refueses to cooperate with the rest of the world, and most of Iran doesn't want to live in fear of a war with the west, and voted him out? I don't get you people, here is a moment where things could change for the better and you still want to see a dictator in power who hates the west just because you hate our government? Aren't you the same people who went on and on about GW doing the same thing and how he needed to be removed from power because hes a corrupt and war hungry? But its ok to keep him in power in Iran just becauses hes not cooperating with the rest of the world, therefor "fighting back".

    :roll:

    Are you on here defending the decisions of GWB on Iran or are you just arguing just to be arguing and with whom?

    Peace
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    You guys crack me up, if Hitler and Stalin rised from the grave and came here and but flossed with the American flag, you would still say we deserved it.

    Could it be that hes a dictator who refueses to cooperate with the rest of the world, and most of Iran doesn't want to live in fear of a war with the west, and voted him out? I don't get you people, here is a moment where things could change for the better and you still want to see a dictator in power who hates the west just because you hate our government? Aren't you the same people who went on and on about GW doing the same thing and how he needed to be removed from power because hes a corrupt and war hungry? But its ok to keep him in power in Iran just becauses hes not cooperating with the rest of the world, therefor "fighting back".

    :roll:
    ...
    Silly us... Here we thought the Iranian election was held in the best interest of the Iranian people. We all fail to see your view... that Democracy in the Middle East is only valid when the results favor the best interests of America.
    Is that how Democracy works?
    ...'
    P.S. Your 'reformer' candidate in Iran? Did you know that he wished to advance Iran's Nuclear Program, does not recognize Israel's right to exist and supported the taking of the U.S. Embassy in 1979 because it was 'a den of spies'?
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  • Insignificant1Insignificant1 Posts: 1
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    You guys crack me up, if Hitler and Stalin rised from the grave and came here and but flossed with the American flag, you would still say we deserved it.

    Could it be that hes a dictator who refueses to cooperate with the rest of the world, and most of Iran doesn't want to live in fear of a war with the west, and voted him out? I don't get you people, here is a moment where things could change for the better and you still want to see a dictator in power who hates the west just because you hate our government? Aren't you the same people who went on and on about GW doing the same thing and how he needed to be removed from power because hes a corrupt and war hungry? But its ok to keep him in power in Iran just becauses hes not cooperating with the rest of the world, therefor "fighting back".

    :roll:

    The Iranian President CANNOT be a dictator by any definition, he answers to the Supreme Leader of Iran who makes most executive appointments including deciding who can even run for President. Not only that it's not up to the US who is the President of Iran anyway, it's your view or ideology that we should control Iran to make sure they're pro-US that makes Iranians not like us. And you say that Iran refuses to cooperate with the rest of the world, I say they just refuse to be told what to do by people who already have what they are told they cannot have.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    AM127603 wrote:
    ...
    The Iranian President CANNOT be a dictator by any definition, he answers to the Supreme Leader of Iran who makes most executive appointments including deciding who can even run for President. Not only that it's not up to the US who is the President of Iran anyway, it's your view or ideology that we should control Iran to make sure they're pro-US that makes Iranians not like us. And you say that Iran refuses to cooperate with the rest of the world, I say they just refuse to be told what to do by people who already have what they are told they cannot have.
    ...
    That is true. In Iran... they don't have elections. It is basically one man, one vote... that man is the Ayatollah and his vote counts. Welcome to religiuos theocracy.
    And it is a choice of Ahmadinejad or Diet Ahmadinejad. All candidates run the same basic foriegn policy... namely, 'Death To America', Israel has no rights of soverignty and wishes to advance their nuclear capabilities to be a key player in the region.
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  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    Montage of the unrest set to Rearviewmirror.......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIqP3ilRYBg
  • Blind3Blind3 Posts: 1,149
    Open, THANK YOU so much for posting the link. Very, very powerful images made all the more poignant by the use of RVM .
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  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    AM127603 wrote:
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    You guys crack me up, if Hitler and Stalin rised from the grave and came here and but flossed with the American flag, you would still say we deserved it.

    Could it be that hes a dictator who refueses to cooperate with the rest of the world, and most of Iran doesn't want to live in fear of a war with the west, and voted him out? I don't get you people, here is a moment where things could change for the better and you still want to see a dictator in power who hates the west just because you hate our government? Aren't you the same people who went on and on about GW doing the same thing and how he needed to be removed from power because hes a corrupt and war hungry? But its ok to keep him in power in Iran just becauses hes not cooperating with the rest of the world, therefor "fighting back".

    :roll:

    The Iranian President CANNOT be a dictator by any definition, he answers to the Supreme Leader of Iran who makes most executive appointments including deciding who can even run for President. Not only that it's not up to the US who is the President of Iran anyway, it's your view or ideology that we should control Iran to make sure they're pro-US that makes Iranians not like us. And you say that Iran refuses to cooperate with the rest of the world, I say they just refuse to be told what to do by people who already have what they are told they cannot have.

    90% of the Iranian people dont have anything against the US. The people of Iran want freedom or they wouldnt be out in the streets getting shot at and beat up by the government. If you dont want the US to interfere thats fine; but dont make it sound like the people of iran support the government. They are two completely different entities..

    Blind3 - Your welcome, there is actually another one out there with the boys version of I wont back down.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Open wrote:
    90% of the Iranian people dont have anything against the US. The people of Iran want freedom or they wouldnt be out in the streets getting shot at and beat up by the government. If you dont want the US to interfere thats fine; but dont make it sound like the people of iran support the government. They are two completely different entities..

    Blind3 - Your welcome, there is actually another one out there with the boys version of I wont back down.

    where did you get that info from? ... 90% ... the removal of mossadegh is taught in schoolrooms ... and the US's recent incursion into iraq can not be seen as positive by most iranians ... at the end of the day - the results of these elections are most likely to be legitimate ... what we don't know is how much of these protests are grassroots and how much is foreign interference ...
  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    Polaris..

    I was born there, have family there, have friends there, and have friends that have family there...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Open wrote:
    Polaris..

    I was born there, have family there, have friends there, and have friends that have family there...

    fair enough ... so, you are saying that the elections were illegitimate and that 90% of the entire Iranian population is opposed to this government?
  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    I'd say 90% dont have a problem with the US. Probably 75% or so oppose this government.
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    Open wrote:
    I'd say 90% dont have a problem with the US. Probably 75% or so oppose this government.


    and lot's of Iranians held vigils for the victims of 9/11 and at Tehran's soccer stadium they had a moment of silence for the victims
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  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    BHS - That is true, it didnt get much if any play in the news here though.


    This is from today...Im so proud of the women, they've been the most repressed and they are out there knowing that the government fuckers dont care who they're hitting.

    http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?s ... uS5&ref=nf

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    To suppose that the U.S does not have a hand in this latest unrest in Iran is ludicrous. Pick up a history book. Do your homework.

    Listening to people talk about these Iranian elections, anyone could be forgiven for thinking that the U.S backed overthrow of Mossadegh never happened, that Chile 1973 never happened, Guatemala, Panama, South Vietnam.....e.t.c.....e.t.c.....ad infinitum.....


    The U.S is firmly behind this unrest in Iran....PERIOD.
  • Sludge FactorySludge Factory Posts: 976
    Byrnzie wrote:
    To suppose that the U.S does not have a hand in this latest unrest in Iran is ludicrous. Pick up a history book. Do your homework.

    Listening to people talk about these Iranian elections, anyone could be forgiven for thinking that the U.S backed overthrow of Mossadegh never happened, that Chile 1973 never happened, Guatemala, Panama, South Vietnam.....e.t.c.....e.t.c.....ad infinitum.....


    The U.S is firmly behind this unrest in Iran....PERIOD.

    What about the UK?
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    prfctlefts wrote:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526102,00.html


    I'd have to say the fix was in from the start.

    I could be wrong though....

    That's good news for Iran. This is proof positive that they truly have a western democracy, a la America in 2000.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    To suppose that the U.S does not have a hand in this latest unrest in Iran is ludicrous. Pick up a history book. Do your homework.

    Listening to people talk about these Iranian elections, anyone could be forgiven for thinking that the U.S backed overthrow of Mossadegh never happened, that Chile 1973 never happened, Guatemala, Panama, South Vietnam.....e.t.c.....e.t.c.....ad infinitum.....


    The U.S is firmly behind this unrest in Iran....PERIOD.

    What about the UK?

    Probably.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Seems this fella was a little over-confident:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526102,00.html
    'Even before the vote counting began, Mousavi declared himself "definitely the winner" based on "all indications from all over Iran." He accused the government of "manipulating the people's vote" to keep Ahmadinejad in power and suggested the reformist camp would stand up to challenge the results.'
  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    Its not about the election anymore its about the regime...

    How can you defend this regime? Is your desire to show the US is involved so great that you would defend an absolute joke of a regime which offers its people nothing but repression?

    How come you dont include Iran 1979 on your list?
  • NoKNoK Posts: 824
    What is also ludicrous is the western media bias..

    Take for example this article in The Washington Post:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00256.html

    The author states:

    In an act fraught with symbolic significance, a suicide bomber blew himself up at the mausoleum of the father of Iran's Islamic revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, while unrest continued across Tehran in defiance of a ban on demonstrations.

    so let me get this straight.. if the suicide bomber is pro-west then its "an act fraught with symbolic significance" but if its anti-west then its "terrorism".

    Lovely.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Open wrote:
    Its not about the election anymore its about the regime...

    How can you defend this regime? Is your desire to show the US is involved so great that you would defend an absolute joke of a regime which offers its people nothing but repression?

    How come you dont include Iran 1979 on your list?

    The regime is none of Americas business. It's the business of Iranians.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    NoK wrote:
    What is also ludicrous is the western media bias..

    Take for example this article in The Washington Post:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00256.html

    The author states:

    In an act fraught with symbolic significance, a suicide bomber blew himself up at the mausoleum of the father of Iran's Islamic revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, while unrest continued across Tehran in defiance of a ban on demonstrations.

    so let me get this straight.. if the suicide bomber is pro-west then its "an act fraught with symbolic significance" but if its anti-west then its "terrorism".

    Lovely.

    Yeah, that's pretty fucked.
  • NoKNoK Posts: 824
    Open wrote:
    Its not about the election anymore its about the regime...

    How can you defend this regime? Is your desire to show the US is involved so great that you would defend an absolute joke of a regime which offers its people nothing but repression?

    How come you dont include Iran 1979 on your list?

    This argument is similar to the one pro-Iraq war people make. Its not about the WMD's anymore its about toppling Saddam. Similar in the sense that people will keep shifting logic to suit their own argument.

    I am all for change of regime in Iran but not when it stinks of Western interference.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    NoK wrote:
    Open wrote:
    Its not about the election anymore its about the regime...

    How can you defend this regime? Is your desire to show the US is involved so great that you would defend an absolute joke of a regime which offers its people nothing but repression?

    How come you dont include Iran 1979 on your list?

    This argument is similar to the one pro-Iraq war people make. Its not about the WMD's anymore its about toppling Saddam. Similar in the sense that people will keep shifting logic to suit their own argument.

    I am all for change of regime in Iran but not when it stinks of Western interference.

    Thay'll be talking about mass graves soon. Maybe mass graves containing the bodies of those poor unfortunate Iraqi Republican Guard who were killed by the Iranians during Iraq's U.S backed invasion of Iran.

    It's enough to make you dizzy. :?
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