****The Official EV Philly, PA - 6/12/09 Setlist Thread****

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  • pjbugs007pjbugs007 Posts: 1,299
    edited June 2009


    You have your real picture up. :o

    Chicks love a man in a shower cap and sun glasses...I saw it in the new issue of GQ. ;)

    Muhahaha...take a look of the pic of me and cal...we are in the No Code Gang:)

    so thats the real me eh? hehe
  • jecica wrote:
    Is he really taking this long to play hard sun? Is Mookie okay?

    I'm still here. The show is over.

    #23 - Hard Sun

    Relayer rushed to the front, so that is the reason for the delay. (Note: He was in row 12)
    "Underneath this smile lies everything - all my hopes, anger, pride and shame."
  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,072


    Relayer rushed to the front, so that is the reason for the delay. (Note: He was in row 12)
    nice
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    1998: Birmingham
    2000: Charlotte, Tampa
    2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
    2004: Kissimmee
    2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
    2010: MSG2
    2012: Music Midtown
    2014: Memphis
    2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest
    2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
    2022: Nashville
    2023: Ft. Worth II
    2024: Baltimore

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  • vedderfan10vedderfan10 Posts: 2,497
    #23 - Hard Sun

    Relayer rushed to the front, so that is the reason for the delay. (Note: He was in row 12)

    So the hell with us in the pit, huh...? Nice... ;)
    be philanthropic
  • jecicajecica Posts: 954
    jecica wrote:
    Is he really taking this long to play hard sun? Is Mookie okay?

    I'm still here. The show is over.

    #23 - Hard Sun

    Relayer rushed to the front, so that is the reason for the delay. (Note: He was in row 12)

    Thank you Mooks and Relayer Guy. Everyone have a wonderful weekend!!!

    Good Night!!!
    Appreciation is a wonderful thing: It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well.... (Voltaire)
  • Vedder_Girl77Vedder_Girl77 Posts: 4,335
    jecica wrote:
    Is he really taking this long to play hard sun? Is Mookie okay?

    I'm still here. The show is over.

    #23 - Hard Sun

    Relayer rushed to the front, so that is the reason for the delay. (Note: He was in row 12)

    Did the relayer get to shake Ed's hand?
    8/29/00, 7/3/03, 5/24/06,6/28/08 & 6/30/08, 10/9/09,10/28/09, 10/30/09 & 10/31/09, 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10 & 5/21/10, 10/23/10 & 10/24/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 9/11/11, 9/12/11, 9/23/11, 9/22/12, 9/30/12, 7/16/13, 7/19/13
  • #23 - Hard Sun

    Relayer rushed to the front, so that is the reason for the delay. (Note: He was in row 12)

    So the hell with us in the pit, huh...? Nice... ;)

    :lol:
    "Underneath this smile lies everything - all my hopes, anger, pride and shame."
  • ragejoeragejoe Agawam Mass Posts: 1,419
    GOtta be honest... with the exceptions being Atlantic City and Kids are alright last night...Not impressed with these 2 philly shows AT ALL...

    SO far i gotta give the NOD to ALbany 2 as best show to this point...
    1998 Tour- Hartford 9/13
    2000 Tour- Saratoga 8/27 Boston 8/29, 8/30
    2003 Tour- Albany 4/29 Boston 7/2,7/3,7/11 Philadelphia 7/5,7/6 MSG 7/8,7/9
    2004 Tour-
    Boston 9/28,9/29
    2006 Tour-
    Albany 5/12 Hartford 5/13 Boston 5/24,5/25
    2008 Tour-
    MSG 6/24,6/25 Hartford 6/27 Boston 6/28,6/30 Eddie- Boston 8/1
    2009 Tour-
    Eddie- Albany 6/9 Philly Spectrum- 10/30, 10/31
    2010 Tour-
    Hartford 5/15 MSG 5/20,5/21
    2011 Tour-
    Eddie- Hartford 6/18
    2013 Tour- Worcester,MA 10/15,10/16 Hartford 10/25
    2016 Tour- MSG 5/1,5/2 FENWAY 8/5,8/7
    2018 Tour- Fenway 9/2, 9/4 (My 40th show)!
  • jecica wrote:
    jecica wrote:
    Is he really taking this long to play hard sun? Is Mookie okay?

    I'm still here. The show is over.

    #23 - Hard Sun

    Relayer rushed to the front, so that is the reason for the delay. (Note: He was in row 12)

    Thank you Mooks and Relayer Guy. Everyone have a wonderful weekend!!!

    Good Night!!!

    Night
    "Underneath this smile lies everything - all my hopes, anger, pride and shame."
  • Vedder_Girl77Vedder_Girl77 Posts: 4,335
    I guess it was a short show again.

    I hope he plays at least 2 hours in Atlanta. :)
    8/29/00, 7/3/03, 5/24/06,6/28/08 & 6/30/08, 10/9/09,10/28/09, 10/30/09 & 10/31/09, 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10 & 5/21/10, 10/23/10 & 10/24/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 9/11/11, 9/12/11, 9/23/11, 9/22/12, 9/30/12, 7/16/13, 7/19/13
  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,072
    I guess it was a short show again.

    I hope he plays at least 2 hours in Atlanta. :)
    he will... 8-)
    www.RLMcDaniel.com

    1996: Ft Lauderdale
    1998: Birmingham
    2000: Charlotte, Tampa
    2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
    2004: Kissimmee
    2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
    2010: MSG2
    2012: Music Midtown
    2014: Memphis
    2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest
    2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
    2022: Nashville
    2023: Ft. Worth II
    2024: Baltimore

    Upcoming: 2025 Hollywood, FL Night 2
  • Vedder_Girl77Vedder_Girl77 Posts: 4,335
    LukinFan wrote:
    I guess it was a short show again.

    I hope he plays at least 2 hours in Atlanta. :)
    he will... 8-)

    He will because we will be there! :lol:
    8/29/00, 7/3/03, 5/24/06,6/28/08 & 6/30/08, 10/9/09,10/28/09, 10/30/09 & 10/31/09, 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10 & 5/21/10, 10/23/10 & 10/24/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 9/11/11, 9/12/11, 9/23/11, 9/22/12, 9/30/12, 7/16/13, 7/19/13
  • spnoonespnoone Posts: 633
    edited June 2009
    yahoo search says the new song is a cover of marvin gaye's "here, my dear."
    edit: looks like this was solved 3 pages ago.
    2nd edit: i believe the post beneath me as i've never heard ed's new song or marvin's old song.
    Post edited by spnoone on
  • blindmuleblindmule Albany, NY Posts: 138
    spnoone wrote:
    yahoo search says the new song is a cover of marvin gaye's "here, my dear."


    That is not correct.

    Here, My Dear is not even close to the song in question.
  • PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    LukinFan wrote:


    Relayer rushed to the front, so that is the reason for the delay. (Note: He was in row 12)
    nice
    I did the same thing in Albany 2.
    Pearl Jam Shows: 1998 - 9/11 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 9/13 Hartford, CT || 2000 - 8/24 Wantagh, NY (Jones Beach 2); 8/27 Saratoga Springs; 8/29 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 8/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2) || 2003 - 4/29 Albany, NY; 5/3 State College, PA; 7/2 Mansfield (night 1); 7/6 Camden, NJ (night 2); 7/8 New York, NY (MSG night 1) || 2004 - 9/28 Boston, MA (night 1); 9/29 Boston, MA (night 2) || 2005 - 10/3 Philadelphia, PA || 2006 - 5/12 Albany, NY; 5/13 Hartford, CT; 5/24 Boston, MA (night 1); 5/25 Boston, MA (night 2); 5/27 Camden, NJ (night 1); 5/28 Camden, NJ (night 2)|| 2008 - 6/19 Camden, NJ (night 1); 6/24 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 6/25 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 6/27 Hartford, CT; 6/28 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 6/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2); 7/1 New York, NY (Beacon Theater)|| 2009 - 9/21 Seattle, WA (night 1); 9/22 Seattle, WA (night 2); 10/27 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 1); 10/28 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 2); 10/30 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 3); 10/31 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 4)|| 2010 - 5/15 Hartford, CT; 5/17 Boston, MA; 5/20 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 5/21 New York, NY (MSG night 2)|| 2011 - 9/3 East Troy, WI (PJ20); 9/4 East Troy, WI (PJ20) || 2012 - 9/2 Philadelphia, PA, 9/30 Missoula, MT || 2013 - 7/19 Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), 10/12 Buffalo, NY, 10/15 Worcester, MA (night 1), 10/16 Worcester, MA (night 2), 10/18 Brooklyn, NY (night 1), 10/19 Brooklyn, NY (night 2), 10/25 Hartford, CT || 2014 - 10/22 Denver, CO || 2015 -  9/26 New York, NY (Global Citizen Festival) || 2016 - 5/1 New York, NY (night 1), 5/2 New York, NY (night 2), 8/5 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1), 8/7 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 2) || 2018 - 9/2 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1) || 2020 - 3/30 New York, NY
    Eddie Vedder solo: 2008 - Boston night 1 & 2 || 2009 - Albany, NY night 1 & 2 || 2011 - Hartford, CT, Boston, MA

  • PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    ragejoe wrote:
    GOtta be honest... with the exceptions being Atlantic City and Kids are alright last night...Not impressed with these 2 philly shows AT ALL...

    SO far i gotta give the NOD to ALbany 2 as best show to this point...
    I agree.
    Pearl Jam Shows: 1998 - 9/11 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 9/13 Hartford, CT || 2000 - 8/24 Wantagh, NY (Jones Beach 2); 8/27 Saratoga Springs; 8/29 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 8/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2) || 2003 - 4/29 Albany, NY; 5/3 State College, PA; 7/2 Mansfield (night 1); 7/6 Camden, NJ (night 2); 7/8 New York, NY (MSG night 1) || 2004 - 9/28 Boston, MA (night 1); 9/29 Boston, MA (night 2) || 2005 - 10/3 Philadelphia, PA || 2006 - 5/12 Albany, NY; 5/13 Hartford, CT; 5/24 Boston, MA (night 1); 5/25 Boston, MA (night 2); 5/27 Camden, NJ (night 1); 5/28 Camden, NJ (night 2)|| 2008 - 6/19 Camden, NJ (night 1); 6/24 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 6/25 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 6/27 Hartford, CT; 6/28 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 6/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2); 7/1 New York, NY (Beacon Theater)|| 2009 - 9/21 Seattle, WA (night 1); 9/22 Seattle, WA (night 2); 10/27 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 1); 10/28 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 2); 10/30 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 3); 10/31 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 4)|| 2010 - 5/15 Hartford, CT; 5/17 Boston, MA; 5/20 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 5/21 New York, NY (MSG night 2)|| 2011 - 9/3 East Troy, WI (PJ20); 9/4 East Troy, WI (PJ20) || 2012 - 9/2 Philadelphia, PA, 9/30 Missoula, MT || 2013 - 7/19 Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), 10/12 Buffalo, NY, 10/15 Worcester, MA (night 1), 10/16 Worcester, MA (night 2), 10/18 Brooklyn, NY (night 1), 10/19 Brooklyn, NY (night 2), 10/25 Hartford, CT || 2014 - 10/22 Denver, CO || 2015 -  9/26 New York, NY (Global Citizen Festival) || 2016 - 5/1 New York, NY (night 1), 5/2 New York, NY (night 2), 8/5 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1), 8/7 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 2) || 2018 - 9/2 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1) || 2020 - 3/30 New York, NY
    Eddie Vedder solo: 2008 - Boston night 1 & 2 || 2009 - Albany, NY night 1 & 2 || 2011 - Hartford, CT, Boston, MA

  • spnoone wrote:
    yahoo search says the new song is a cover of marvin gaye's "here, my dear."
    edit: looks like this was solved 3 pages ago.

    PJ10Eddie says that it had a lovely melody and beautiful, slow song overall. The Marvin Gaye song doesn't seem to quite fit that description.
    "Underneath this smile lies everything - all my hopes, anger, pride and shame."
  • blindmuleblindmule Albany, NY Posts: 138
    There are more lyrics that I was able to pick up when I heard this *unknown* song
    There are many verses but this is all i could remember clearly


    i just want to grow old
    I went and got a sickness in my bones

    looking from the inside of the bottom of a well

    I’m here my dear
    But not much longer


    It is a soft slow beautiful song and I had never heard it before...
  • SOLAT319SOLAT319 Posts: 4,594
    Nice job GNE! :D
    I have no patience for bad music and stupid people...

    The whole world will be different soon the whole world will be RELIEVED

    #resistgezi #resistturkey #resisttaksim #direnturkiye #direngezi
    #standingman #duranadam
  • SOLAT319 wrote:
    Nice job GNE! :D

    Thanks. I had to leave early from the Happy Hour where there were 2 beer kegs. :(

    I bought a 6 pack of beer on my way home.
    "Underneath this smile lies everything - all my hopes, anger, pride and shame."
  • ragejoeragejoe Agawam Mass Posts: 1,419
    Thanks. I had to leave early from the Happy Hour where there were 2 beer kegs. :(

    I bought a 6 pack of beer on my way home.[/quote]


    NOTHING BETTER THAN A HAPPY HR ON A FRI NITE
    1998 Tour- Hartford 9/13
    2000 Tour- Saratoga 8/27 Boston 8/29, 8/30
    2003 Tour- Albany 4/29 Boston 7/2,7/3,7/11 Philadelphia 7/5,7/6 MSG 7/8,7/9
    2004 Tour-
    Boston 9/28,9/29
    2006 Tour-
    Albany 5/12 Hartford 5/13 Boston 5/24,5/25
    2008 Tour-
    MSG 6/24,6/25 Hartford 6/27 Boston 6/28,6/30 Eddie- Boston 8/1
    2009 Tour-
    Eddie- Albany 6/9 Philly Spectrum- 10/30, 10/31
    2010 Tour-
    Hartford 5/15 MSG 5/20,5/21
    2011 Tour-
    Eddie- Hartford 6/18
    2013 Tour- Worcester,MA 10/15,10/16 Hartford 10/25
    2016 Tour- MSG 5/1,5/2 FENWAY 8/5,8/7
    2018 Tour- Fenway 9/2, 9/4 (My 40th show)!
  • PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    ragejoe wrote:
    Thanks. I had to leave early from the Happy Hour where there were 2 beer kegs. :(

    I bought a 6 pack of beer on my way home.


    NOTHING BETTER THAN A HAPPY HR ON A FRI NITE[/quote]
    It sucks they did away with happy hour in Massachusetts. :twisted: I used to love happy hour so much. :cry:
    Pearl Jam Shows: 1998 - 9/11 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 9/13 Hartford, CT || 2000 - 8/24 Wantagh, NY (Jones Beach 2); 8/27 Saratoga Springs; 8/29 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 8/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2) || 2003 - 4/29 Albany, NY; 5/3 State College, PA; 7/2 Mansfield (night 1); 7/6 Camden, NJ (night 2); 7/8 New York, NY (MSG night 1) || 2004 - 9/28 Boston, MA (night 1); 9/29 Boston, MA (night 2) || 2005 - 10/3 Philadelphia, PA || 2006 - 5/12 Albany, NY; 5/13 Hartford, CT; 5/24 Boston, MA (night 1); 5/25 Boston, MA (night 2); 5/27 Camden, NJ (night 1); 5/28 Camden, NJ (night 2)|| 2008 - 6/19 Camden, NJ (night 1); 6/24 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 6/25 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 6/27 Hartford, CT; 6/28 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 6/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2); 7/1 New York, NY (Beacon Theater)|| 2009 - 9/21 Seattle, WA (night 1); 9/22 Seattle, WA (night 2); 10/27 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 1); 10/28 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 2); 10/30 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 3); 10/31 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 4)|| 2010 - 5/15 Hartford, CT; 5/17 Boston, MA; 5/20 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 5/21 New York, NY (MSG night 2)|| 2011 - 9/3 East Troy, WI (PJ20); 9/4 East Troy, WI (PJ20) || 2012 - 9/2 Philadelphia, PA, 9/30 Missoula, MT || 2013 - 7/19 Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), 10/12 Buffalo, NY, 10/15 Worcester, MA (night 1), 10/16 Worcester, MA (night 2), 10/18 Brooklyn, NY (night 1), 10/19 Brooklyn, NY (night 2), 10/25 Hartford, CT || 2014 - 10/22 Denver, CO || 2015 -  9/26 New York, NY (Global Citizen Festival) || 2016 - 5/1 New York, NY (night 1), 5/2 New York, NY (night 2), 8/5 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1), 8/7 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 2) || 2018 - 9/2 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1) || 2020 - 3/30 New York, NY
    Eddie Vedder solo: 2008 - Boston night 1 & 2 || 2009 - Albany, NY night 1 & 2 || 2011 - Hartford, CT, Boston, MA

  • I guess that no one knows much about the unknown song except for it being sound checked in Albany.
    "Underneath this smile lies everything - all my hopes, anger, pride and shame."
  • PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    edited June 2009
    I guess that no one knows much about the unknown song except for it being sound checked in Albany.
    Im sure we will find out tomorrow from somebody that was at the show. Unless it was a new song and not a cover.
    Post edited by PearlJamPatriot on
    Pearl Jam Shows: 1998 - 9/11 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 9/13 Hartford, CT || 2000 - 8/24 Wantagh, NY (Jones Beach 2); 8/27 Saratoga Springs; 8/29 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 8/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2) || 2003 - 4/29 Albany, NY; 5/3 State College, PA; 7/2 Mansfield (night 1); 7/6 Camden, NJ (night 2); 7/8 New York, NY (MSG night 1) || 2004 - 9/28 Boston, MA (night 1); 9/29 Boston, MA (night 2) || 2005 - 10/3 Philadelphia, PA || 2006 - 5/12 Albany, NY; 5/13 Hartford, CT; 5/24 Boston, MA (night 1); 5/25 Boston, MA (night 2); 5/27 Camden, NJ (night 1); 5/28 Camden, NJ (night 2)|| 2008 - 6/19 Camden, NJ (night 1); 6/24 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 6/25 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 6/27 Hartford, CT; 6/28 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 6/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2); 7/1 New York, NY (Beacon Theater)|| 2009 - 9/21 Seattle, WA (night 1); 9/22 Seattle, WA (night 2); 10/27 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 1); 10/28 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 2); 10/30 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 3); 10/31 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 4)|| 2010 - 5/15 Hartford, CT; 5/17 Boston, MA; 5/20 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 5/21 New York, NY (MSG night 2)|| 2011 - 9/3 East Troy, WI (PJ20); 9/4 East Troy, WI (PJ20) || 2012 - 9/2 Philadelphia, PA, 9/30 Missoula, MT || 2013 - 7/19 Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), 10/12 Buffalo, NY, 10/15 Worcester, MA (night 1), 10/16 Worcester, MA (night 2), 10/18 Brooklyn, NY (night 1), 10/19 Brooklyn, NY (night 2), 10/25 Hartford, CT || 2014 - 10/22 Denver, CO || 2015 -  9/26 New York, NY (Global Citizen Festival) || 2016 - 5/1 New York, NY (night 1), 5/2 New York, NY (night 2), 8/5 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1), 8/7 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 2) || 2018 - 9/2 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1) || 2020 - 3/30 New York, NY
    Eddie Vedder solo: 2008 - Boston night 1 & 2 || 2009 - Albany, NY night 1 & 2 || 2011 - Hartford, CT, Boston, MA

  • SOLAT319SOLAT319 Posts: 4,594
    ragejoe wrote:
    Thanks. I had to leave early from the Happy Hour where there were 2 beer kegs. :(

    I bought a 6 pack of beer on my way home.


    NOTHING BETTER THAN A HAPPY HR ON A FRI NITE[/quote]

    Especially if it's FREE as in the case of GNE Neighborhood Ho-Hos which is what Mookie left early to do this for all of y'all. So pay respect! :D
    I have no patience for bad music and stupid people...

    The whole world will be different soon the whole world will be RELIEVED

    #resistgezi #resistturkey #resisttaksim #direnturkiye #direngezi
    #standingman #duranadam
  • SOLAT319 wrote:
    ragejoe wrote:
    Thanks. I had to leave early from the Happy Hour where there were 2 beer kegs. :(

    I bought a 6 pack of beer on my way home.


    NOTHING BETTER THAN A HAPPY HR ON A FRI NITE

    Especially if it's FREE as in the case of GNE Neighborhood Ho-Hos which is what Mookie left early to do this for all of y'all. So pay respect! :D[/quote]

    Yes, I left free beer. Is that a sin? :D
    "Underneath this smile lies everything - all my hopes, anger, pride and shame."
  • The backspacer speculation has now begun with the "unknown" song. See the fanview forum.
    "Underneath this smile lies everything - all my hopes, anger, pride and shame."
  • SOLAT319SOLAT319 Posts: 4,594
    All I can say is I hope they didn't include some lame-ass slow-mo song to that album.
    I have no patience for bad music and stupid people...

    The whole world will be different soon the whole world will be RELIEVED

    #resistgezi #resistturkey #resisttaksim #direnturkiye #direngezi
    #standingman #duranadam
  • elwayvedderelwayvedder South Jersey Posts: 9,141
    EV talks about a letter he got from a fan about what the band means to him and his family...fan was also inspired by the activism....then he talked about Thomas Young.

    The fan who wrote the letter is in the front row ----standing applause.

    That was me and my wife...we just got home. I have no idea how I am going to sleep. I will try to write a fan review in the sticky sometime tomorrow or over the weekend...

    Thank you ED. I waited half my life to get to say thank you to you and now I need to do it again, for tonight. Thank you! My cheeks hurt from smiling so much...
  • TheBeach wrote:
    You're missing something important on that list:

    Ed's Outfit:

    :D:lol:
    and his White Guitar :!:
    "Don't turn away from possible futures unless you're certain you have nothing to learn from them."
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