How does Pearl Jam attract such extremists?

Commy

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g under p wrote:

Take the time sometimes to see through the BS.

Peace

Commy

jlew24asu wrote:

so far in the past few weeks we have...

The Taliban hold no responsibility for 9/11..

9/11 was not an act of war..

Hamas is a respectable organization..

Several threads highlighting American military injustices DECADES/generations ago. (current news alone?)

The US is the "most hated country in the world"...

America got what it deserved on 9/11..

America had very little impact on WWII...

America is a country proud to be born from genocide..

Dr Tiller is a hero...

US government is trying to kill senior citizens in order to avoid paying SS..

America's billionaires are plotting to "curb the world population"...

Universal Healthcare is affordable, will require no tax increases, and will run perfectly...

Completely ignore threads about North Korea's breaking of the Armistice agreement and people asking a SERIOUS question if Kim Jong IL is actually crazy. WTF? only on AMT is that question even asked.

Someone asking if 2 US journalists being sentenced to 12 years in NK of hard slavery as FAIR. WTF? only on AMT is that question even asked.


and thats just the first page..lets not forget the countless 9/11 truthers who frequent this board as well. so what gives? PJ in the past has been a little off the beaten path with their endorsements and whatnot, but these days, they are very mainstream in their support for Obama

nothing above is extreme.


supporting war is extreme.


that's mass murder on a scale dahmer could only dream about. and that's what you're supporting.


so I guess your question may be somewhat relevant, but you're one of the few that can answer it.

jlew24asu

Kotov Syndrome wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

so far in the past few weeks we have...

The Taliban hold no responsibility for 9/11..

9/11 was not an act of war..

Hamas is a respectable organization..

Several threads highlighting American military injustices DECADES/generations ago. (current news alone?)

The US is the "most hated country in the world"...

America got what it deserved on 9/11..

America had very little impact on WWII...

America is a country proud to be born from genocide..

Dr Tiller is a hero...

US government is trying to kill senior citizens in order to avoid paying SS..

America's billionaires are plotting to "curb the world population"...

Universal Healthcare is affordable, will require no tax increases, and will run perfectly...

Completely ignore threads about North Korea's breaking of the Armistice agreement and people asking a SERIOUS question if Kim Jong IL is actually crazy. WTF? only on AMT is that question even asked.

Someone asking if 2 US journalists being sentenced to 12 years in NK of hard slavery as FAIR. WTF? only on AMT is that question even asked.


and thats just the first page..lets not forget the countless 9/11 truthers who frequent this board as well. so what gives? PJ in the past has been a little off the beaten path with their endorsements and whatnot, but these days, they are very mainstream in their support for Obama

nothing above is extreme.


supporting war is extreme.


that's mass murder on a scale dahmer could only dream about. and that's what you're supporting.


so I guess your question may be somewhat relevant, but you're one of the few that can answer it.

I dont suppot war. the only military action I supported was removing the Taliban from power and defeating el queda. but thats only so they didnt come to my city next and blow up the buildings I work and live in.

which is just as extreme I suppose as your master byzine. he supports US military action in places like Bosina.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

Example: Anyone who sides with the Palestinians and who claims that they have a right to defend themselves and determine their own lives is considered an extremist. Never mind that America stands alone in the world in opposing a two-state settlement and has singularly vetoed every attempt at peace for the past 40 years. If you don't support Israel then you are an extremist because your views don't fall within the bounds of acceptable debate.


When people talk about Israel's bombardment of civilian areas the subject of proportionality is always mentioned; did Israel behave proportionately? Was their response proportionate? Never mind that Israel has no right to murder even one Palestinian. The only right Israel has is to get the fuck out of the Occupied territories. But then this kind of thinking is deemed extremist by those who follow the party line.

no one has labeled anyone an extremist for supporting the Palestinians. I added supporting Hamas to the list because they is an extremist position. about as extreme as supporting the current Israeli government. but I left that off the list because I havent seen anyone on this board support them.

Byrnzie wrote:

The same goes with acceptable debate on Iraq and Afghanistan; to suggest that the U.S had no right to remove Sadaam Hussein is considered an extremist position.

no its not. who said it was?

Byrnzie wrote:

Whereas if the head of state from another country began speaking of the need to remove George W Bush, or Obama, from power he'd be considered a lunatic.

people talk about that all the time here in America and are not considered a lunatic

Byrnzie wrote:

There are countless examples of this type of hypocrisy.

you have yet to provide one.

polaris_x

this is a hilarious thread ... i will give you credit jlew - you come on here daily and fight the good fight for the so-called right ... you haven't done so great in convincing anyone about your beliefs (but we're extremists so you're in a tight spot on this one) but you keep trying ... kudos to you ...

jlew24asu

polaris_x wrote:

this is a hilarious thread ... i will give you credit jlew - you come on here daily and fight the good fight for the so-called right ... you haven't done so great in convincing anyone about your beliefs (but we're extremists so you're in a tight spot on this one) but you keep trying ... kudos to you ...

I'm not fighting for the "right". I call it like I see it. I'm also not trying to convince anyone of my beliefs. but feel free to join the discussion.

cincybearcat

South of Seattle wrote:

JB811 wrote:

I remember in 2004 I was on certain forums as the only one who was against Bush and I was a 100% hardcore Democrat.

Since then I've bought a few properties, and have an excellent career. I see where my tax money goes and who it goes to.

I'm now pretty much dead set against voting Democrat ever again in my life.

So this kind of implies that you're not voting Democrat just because of money? So your vote is bought then? Or are you an independent that votes for the obligatory 3rd party option?

How is keeping the $ you earn being 'bought'? Seriously...that's just dumb.

adropinthepark

jlew24asu wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Whereas if the head of state from another country began speaking of the need to remove George W Bush, or Obama, from power he'd be considered a lunatic.

people talk about that all the time here in America and are not considered a lunatic

Generally, a head of state from another country out ranks and is taken more seriously than the average American.

RW81233

cincybearcat wrote:

South of Seattle wrote:

JB811 wrote:

I remember in 2004 I was on certain forums as the only one who was against Bush and I was a 100% hardcore Democrat.

Since then I've bought a few properties, and have an excellent career. I see where my tax money goes and who it goes to.

I'm now pretty much dead set against voting Democrat ever again in my life.

So this kind of implies that you're not voting Democrat just because of money? So your vote is bought then? Or are you an independent that votes for the obligatory 3rd party option?

How is keeping the $ you earn being 'bought'? Seriously...that's just dumb.

'earning' money is pretty subjective no? For instance did Paris Hilton 'earn' her place and money more than you did last year?

einatshaul

Almost non of the "porch people" post here, and I manage to keep out. I don't care for 99% of the crazys attracted to this space.

cincybearcat

RW81233 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

How is keeping the $ you earn being 'bought'? Seriously...that's just dumb.

'earning' money is pretty subjective no? For instance did Paris Hilton 'earn' her place and money more than you did last year?

She earned whatever people were willing to give her...and someone else earned the family money she has...so yes, someone earned all of that $. It sucks that I don't earn that much but I'm not a hater.

jlew24asu

einatshaul wrote:

Almost non of the "porch people" post here, and I manage to keep out. I don't care for 99% of the crazys attracted to this space.

thats a bit harsh to say about people you don't even know. and secondly, its not so much that the people are crazy, just their misguided opinions that are

g under p

einatshaul wrote:

Almost non of the "porch people" post here, and I manage to keep out. I don't care for 99% of the crazys attracted to this space.

....And it's vice-versa for what happens on the Porch.

Peace

jlew24asu

g under p wrote:

einatshaul wrote:

Almost non of the "porch people" post here, and I manage to keep out. I don't care for 99% of the crazys attracted to this space.

....And it's vice-versa for what happens on the Porch.

Peace

yea I agree, that forum sometimes gets more out of hand then here.

Jeanwah

jlew24asu wrote:

g under p wrote:

einatshaul wrote:

Almost non of the "porch people" post here, and I manage to keep out. I don't care for 99% of the crazys attracted to this space.

....And it's vice-versa for what happens on the Porch.

Peace

yea I agree, that forum sometimes gets more out of hand then here.

I'll agree with that.

For the thread question, I'll say that few people are really center anymore. Although little is black and white, people have strong views that some people call "extremist".