How does Pearl Jam attract such extremists?

jlew24asu

so far in the past few weeks we have...

The Taliban hold no responsibility for 9/11..

9/11 was not an act of war..

Hamas is a respectable organization..

Several threads highlighting American military injustices DECADES/generations ago. (current news alone?)

The US is the "most hated country in the world"...

America got what it deserved on 9/11..

America had very little impact on WWII...

America is a country proud to be born from genocide..

Dr Tiller is a hero...

US government is trying to kill senior citizens in order to avoid paying SS..

America's billionaires are plotting to "curb the world population"...

Universal Healthcare is affordable, will require no tax increases, and will run perfectly...

Completely ignore threads about North Korea's breaking of the Armistice agreement and people asking a SERIOUS question if Kim Jong IL is actually crazy. WTF? only on AMT is that question even asked.

Someone asking if 2 US journalists being sentenced to 12 years in NK of hard slavery as FAIR. WTF? only on AMT is that question even asked.


and thats just the first page..lets not forget the countless 9/11 truthers who frequent this board as well. so what gives? PJ in the past has been a little off the beaten path with their endorsements and whatnot, but these days, they are very mainstream in their support for Obama

VINNY GOOMBA

Hey, let's not forget that I'm going to bring peace to the world with a website

jlew24asu

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Hey, let's not forget that I'm going to bring peace to the world with a website

yer the nuttiest of the nutty

VINNY GOOMBA

They are a band:
-Whose singer "pledges his grievance to the flag"
-Who used to support Ralph Nader with extreme fervor, and probably still do, aside from the fact it takes away from the Democrat vote, which always is deemed "the lesser of two evils" by this band
-Who were going to play "Gimme Some Truth" at that celebrity all-star concert right after 9/11 before they changed their minds at the last minute to play "long road" with Neil Young.
-Who wrote and performed Bu$hleaguer, no matter how many boos it received, while dancing around in a Bush mask, flashy jacket, and later "impaling" (I still laugh at that term) the mask on the mic stand
-Whose singer has scribbled pro-choice on his arm during a live performance, and has openly stated that he wouldn't be where he was today if it wasn't for abortion.
-Who love the works of Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, etc...

just to name a few. You can see how some of these actions might attract this type of crowd, and some of the "fringier" types.

Call me a nut, but most of those posts that you mention above are arguable one way or another (it all depends on where you stand, literally-- what country people are coming from when they express some of these ideas).

FiveB247x

Umm it has very little do with the band. The band is the reason we have forums to speak our own minds.

jlew24asu

FiveB247x wrote:

Umm it has very little do with the band. The band is the reason we have forums to speak our own minds.

LOL huh? 99.9% of people who post on the board are fans of pearl jam. and the band is not the reason we have forums to speak out minds. whatever the hell that means.

VINNY GOOMBA

The music is pretty friggin great for one thing. People can be nutty and like good music. I find that nutty people have pretty great taste in music! Eddie would refer to them as "fellow freaks."

jlew24asu

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

They are a band:
-Whose singer "pledges his grievance to the flag"
-Who used to support Ralph Nader with extreme fervor, and probably still do, aside from the fact it takes away from the Democrat vote, which always is deemed "the lesser of two evils" by this band
-Who were going to play "Gimme Some Truth" at that celebrity all-star concert right after 9/11 before they changed their minds at the last minute to play "long road" with Neil Young.
-Who wrote and performed Bu$hleaguer, no matter how many boos it received, while dancing around in a Bush mask, flashy jacket, and later "impaling" (I still laugh at that term) the mask on the mic stand
-Whose singer has scribbled pro-choice on his arm during a live performance, and has openly stated that he wouldn't be where he was today if it wasn't for abortion.
-Who love the works of Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, etc...

just to name a few. You can see how some of these actions might attract this type of crowd, and some of the "fringier" types.

Call me a nut, but most of those posts that you mention above are arguable one way or another (it all depends on where you stand, literally-- what country people are coming from when they express some of these ideas).

yea I guess so. but nowadays they are very strong supporters of Obama. which is not very "fringier" I guess those types arent able to evolve like the band. ah well.

catefrances

jlew24asu wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

Umm it has very little do with the band. The band is the reason we have forums to speak our own minds.

LOL huh? 99.9% of people who post on the board are fans of pearl jam. and the band is not the reason we have forums to speak out minds. whatever the hell that means.

i formed my core beliefs long before pearl jam were even a band. im not in my 20s and doe eyed at the thought of eddie vedder.

i can also tell you if you think byrnzie, for eg. is extreme, youre just not mixing with the right people. i hang with peeps that would have you spontaneously combusting with righteous indignation. im moderate compared to those folks i can tell you that.

jlew24asu

catefrances wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

Umm it has very little do with the band. The band is the reason we have forums to speak our own minds.

LOL huh? 99.9% of people who post on the board are fans of pearl jam. and the band is not the reason we have forums to speak out minds. whatever the hell that means.

i formed my core beliefs long before pearl jam were even a band. im not in my 20s and doe eyed at the thought of eddie vedder.

i can also tell you if you think byrnzie, for eg. is extreme, youre just not mixing with the right people. i hang with peeps that would have you spontaneously combusting with righteous indignation. im moderate compared to those folks i can tell you that.

trust me, I'm mixing with the right people. people who actually understand the US is not some evil empire who is not out to kill everyone on earth. sure America has faults, we all do. its people like you and byzine who fail to see any good in America. maybe you were picked on as a kid, not the most popular in school, and still hold resentment towards the people on top. classic pattern.

FiveB247x

If you solely think that people think their beliefs because of some band, you're gravely incorrect. In fact, 99.9% of the things you listed from members of the board have never, ever been back or mentioned as a Pearl Jam members own thoughts or beliefs.

We have this message board because of the band - it's PJ's website. The Moving train is one aspect of the site in which peopel can discuss issues or topics.

jlew24asu wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

Umm it has very little do with the band. The band is the reason we have forums to speak our own minds.

LOL huh? 99.9% of people who post on the board are fans of pearl jam. and the band is not the reason we have forums to speak out minds. whatever the hell that means.

jlew24asu

FiveB247x wrote:

If you solely think that people think their beliefs because of some band, you're gravely incorrect. In fact, 99.9% of the things you listed from members of the board have never, ever been back or mentioned as a Pearl Jam members own thoughts or beliefs.

We have this message board because of the band - it's PJ's website. The Moving train is one aspect of the site in which peopel can discuss issues or topics.

no thats not what I'm saying. I'm just confused why this band attracted some extremists. I know their opinions aren't formed because of what the band says. just seems odd that this forum in particular has such extreme views. but I think vinny made some very valid points as to why. still confusing though, this place has gotten weird lately. but at least the truthers have scattered away, and in some cases, changes their views for the new conspiracy of the week. aka US was already planning to go to war so 9/11 was just a pre-emptive strike....only on AMT

VINNY GOOMBA

jlew24asu wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

They are a band:
-Whose singer "pledges his grievance to the flag"
-Who used to support Ralph Nader with extreme fervor, and probably still do, aside from the fact it takes away from the Democrat vote, which always is deemed "the lesser of two evils" by this band
-Who were going to play "Gimme Some Truth" at that celebrity all-star concert right after 9/11 before they changed their minds at the last minute to play "long road" with Neil Young.
-Who wrote and performed Bu$hleaguer, no matter how many boos it received, while dancing around in a Bush mask, flashy jacket, and later "impaling" (I still laugh at that term) the mask on the mic stand
-Whose singer has scribbled pro-choice on his arm during a live performance, and has openly stated that he wouldn't be where he was today if it wasn't for abortion.
-Who love the works of Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, etc...

just to name a few. You can see how some of these actions might attract this type of crowd, and some of the "fringier" types.

Call me a nut, but most of those posts that you mention above are arguable one way or another (it all depends on where you stand, literally-- what country people are coming from when they express some of these ideas).

yea I guess so. but nowadays they are very strong supporters of Obama. which is not very "fringier" I guess those types arent able to evolve like the band. ah well.

Time will tell. They do lean left no matter what it seems, but their show of support in 2000 for Nader definitely displayed some contempt for Clinton by the time he was done. I recall a specific interview on MTV where Eddie pretty much sounded like myself or Drifting talking about how the president is a puppet for corporations / the men behind the curtain, that the parties don't matter, and are the the illusion of choice. Well, it turns out too many people liked what Ed said and took votes from Al Gore, which brought us W. I think it was at that point that Eddie traded in his idealism, at least publicly, to make sure his fans never "helped" vote in another Republican.

If Obama turns out to be a disappointment, you may see the guys backing 3rd parties again, especially if that movement has any REAL momentum. I think Libertarianism is going to grow in this country over the next 4 years. In my eyes, it just seems like it's not very well known, but it's a hard philosophy to disagree with.

jlew24asu

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Time will tell. They do lean left no matter what it seems, but their show of support in 2000 for Nader definitely displayed some contempt for Clinton by the time he was done. I recall a specific interview on MTV where Eddie pretty much sounded like myself or Drifting talking about how the president is a puppet for corporations / the men behind the curtain, that the parties don't matter, and are the the illusion of choice. Well, it turns out too many people liked what Ed said and took votes from Al Gore, which brought us W. I think it was at that point that Eddie traded in his idealism, at least publicly, to make sure his fans never "helped" vote in another Republican.

now that you mention it, you are exactly right. and please dont put yourself in the same sentence as drifitin.

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

If Obama turns out to be a disappointment, you may see the guys backing 3rd parties again, especially if that movement has any REAL momentum. I think Libertarianism is going to grow in this country over the next 4 years. In my eyes, it just seems like it's not very well known, but it's a hard philosophy to disagree with.

I agree, the philosophy is hard to disagree with but its also a tad too extreme. and Ron Paul is not the right face for the movement. if a moderate Libertarian candidate can emerge, I would definitely consider supporting him/her.

catefrances

jlew24asu wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i formed my core beliefs long before pearl jam were even a band. im not in my 20s and doe eyed at the thought of eddie vedder.

i can also tell you if you think byrnzie, for eg. is extreme, youre just not mixing with the right people. i hang with peeps that would have you spontaneously combusting with righteous indignation. im moderate compared to those folks i can tell you that.

trust me, I'm mixing with the right people. people who actually understand the US is not some evil empire who is not out to kill everyone on earth. sure America has faults, we all do. its people like you and byzine who fail to see any good in America. maybe you were picked on as a kid, not the most popular in school, and still hold resentment towards the people on top. classic pattern.

bwahahahaha.
i get it now... you have a small penis. i should have seen it before.

jlew24asu

catefrances wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i formed my core beliefs long before pearl jam were even a band. im not in my 20s and doe eyed at the thought of eddie vedder.

i can also tell you if you think byrnzie, for eg. is extreme, youre just not mixing with the right people. i hang with peeps that would have you spontaneously combusting with righteous indignation. im moderate compared to those folks i can tell you that.

trust me, I'm mixing with the right people. people who actually understand the US is not some evil empire who is not out to kill everyone on earth. sure America has faults, we all do. its people like you and byzine who fail to see any good in America. maybe you were picked on as a kid, not the most popular in school, and still hold resentment towards the people on top. classic pattern.

bwahahahaha.
i get it now... you have a small penis. i should have seen it before.

is that the best you got?

CJMST3K

jlew24asu wrote:

How does Pearl Jam attract such extremists?

Pearl Jam was the biggest band in the world, and is still one of the biggest. Millions are fans to some degree. On the forum there's a distilled number, but still, you'll have similar diversity. ...plus a couple very vocal crazies.

FiveB247x

Albeit, it may seem that way because of this board, I wouldn't generalize and necessarily say it's a reflection of the band directly. Perhaps there are some left leaning underlayings the band backs which resinate with the fans, but I wouldn't whole-heartedly make that into a cliche about PJ or their fans. Just as in politics, not all republicans are religious, gun carrying anti-abortionists, but if you believed and bought into perceptions people made of them, you may actually believe that notion. More than anything, it's a vague generalization used to characterize a group.

jlew24asu wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

If you solely think that people think their beliefs because of some band, you're gravely incorrect. In fact, 99.9% of the things you listed from members of the board have never, ever been back or mentioned as a Pearl Jam members own thoughts or beliefs.

We have this message board because of the band - it's PJ's website. The Moving train is one aspect of the site in which peopel can discuss issues or topics.

no thats not what I'm saying. I'm just confused why this band attracted some extremists. I know their opinions aren't formed because of what the band says. just seems odd that this forum in particular has such extreme views. but I think vinny made some very valid points as to why. still confusing though, this place has gotten weird lately. but at least the truthers have scattered away, and in some cases, changes their views for the new conspiracy of the week. aka US was already planning to go to war so 9/11 was just a pre-emptive strike....only on AMT

jlew24asu

FiveB247x wrote:

Albeit, it may seem that way because of this board, I wouldn't generalize and necessarily say it's a reflection of the band directly. Perhaps there are some left leaning underlayings the band backs which resinate with the fans, but I wouldn't whole-heartedly make that into a cliche about PJ or their fans. Just as in politics, not all republicans are religious, gun carrying anti-abortionists, but if you believed and bought into perceptions people made of them, you may actually believe that notion. More than anything, it's a vague generalization used to characterize a group.

fair enough. but I wouldn't say its all that vague. have a look around

VINNY GOOMBA

jlew24asu wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Time will tell. They do lean left no matter what it seems, but their show of support in 2000 for Nader definitely displayed some contempt for Clinton by the time he was done. I recall a specific interview on MTV where Eddie pretty much sounded like myself or Drifting talking about how the president is a puppet for corporations / the men behind the curtain, that the parties don't matter, and are the the illusion of choice. Well, it turns out too many people liked what Ed said and took votes from Al Gore, which brought us W. I think it was at that point that Eddie traded in his idealism, at least publicly, to make sure his fans never "helped" vote in another Republican.

now that you mention it, you are exactly right. and please dont put yourself in the same sentence as drifitin.

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

If Obama turns out to be a disappointment, you may see the guys backing 3rd parties again, especially if that movement has any REAL momentum. I think Libertarianism is going to grow in this country over the next 4 years. In my eyes, it just seems like it's not very well known, but it's a hard philosophy to disagree with.

I agree, the philosophy is hard to disagree with but its also a tad too extreme. and Ron Paul is not the right face for the movement. if a moderate Libertarian candidate can emerge, I would definitely consider supporting him/her.

I can't disagree with Drifting a good chunk of the time. I want to, believe me, I just don't think what the man says is all that unbelievable-- at least no more unbelievable that the goal of our elected leaders is to keep us safe by "spreading democracy" (a form of government that ultimately leads to oligarchy) around the world in places that clearly don't want it, or aren't ready to make the change themselves.

There is an elite. They can legally counterfeit money, money which often disappears into black budget land somewhere, which funds their hit squad, the CIA. Who can question them? Nobody. They have all the guns, the power, and the ability to lock you in a room to do whatever they want to you, so long as they release some believable half-truths to the press 6 months after the damage is done. Congress doesn't give them orders, they work directly for the White House / Executive Branch (or probably whoever is direct-depositing their bank accounts). I'm not saying all CIA are part of this secret army that do whatever they feel like (or whatever they are ordered)-- but it's not unbelivable that there are some at the very top that are part of it all-- These guys order the people below them. It's straight Mafia, really. You see Drifting talk about "levels" of Masonry, where the farther towards the base of the pyramid you go, the less you know. The CIA operates on security clearances, or "levels" also. People at the bottom of the intelligence community could be doing the most noble work as far as they're concerned-- but have we been justified in over-throwing any of the world's dictators? What are the real motivations beind such action? Has there not been blowback as far as 50 years later? I wouldn't be surprised if much of what is done completely goes over the president's head. What's he going to do about it? Who's got the brain of JFK? What's it mean to us now?

To take it personally when somebody bashes America is 99% of the time missing the point. It's not the people of this country that the rest of the world can't stomach-- it's our government, our elected officials. Really, it's the one thing the whole world should have in common. If people of the world are actually angry at the American people, it's for one reason. It's that we let this bull-in-a-china-shop dictate policies for the entire world. It's our job to reign them in, we're the cowboy. They definitely hate the bull more than they hate the cowboy-- but the cowboy is responsible for the bull. The problem is, somewhere along the line, the bull was given money for "STAR WARS," and our little 6 shooter isn't SHIT against a bull with laser-beam guided nuclear death's-head horn-missles!!!!!!1111!!@#$@#$

INSTITUTIONALIZE ME ALREADY!

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We just need to call TIME OUT already. Stop the madness, start demanding transparency. Stop digging a hole with crazy people who are only willing to blast the hole deeper.

If we are not the most hated country in the world (and I don't know for sure if we are or not) who is?

N. Korea? Iran? China? Iraq? Cuba? Venezuela? Britain? Canada? (ha! kidding..)

We've got to be top 10, no?

FiveB247x

As I said before, I don't think it's a direct reflection. There's plenty of PJ fans who sway varying ways or have tons of different political or religious leanings.. like anything in life, it takes all kinds. I'm sure the same could be said about any band in all honesty for some other belief set.

jlew24asu wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

Albeit, it may seem that way because of this board, I wouldn't generalize and necessarily say it's a reflection of the band directly. Perhaps there are some left leaning underlayings the band backs which resinate with the fans, but I wouldn't whole-heartedly make that into a cliche about PJ or their fans. Just as in politics, not all republicans are religious, gun carrying anti-abortionists, but if you believed and bought into perceptions people made of them, you may actually believe that notion. More than anything, it's a vague generalization used to characterize a group.

fair enough. but I wouldn't say its all that vague. have a look around