North Korea Sentences 2 US Journalists
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North Korea Sentences 2 US Journalists
Was this a fair sentence or is this NK playing politics here?
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Was this a fair sentence or is this NK playing politics here?
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g under p wrote:North Korea Sentences 2 US Journalists
Was this a fair sentence or is this NK playing politics here?
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By American standards, it's not a fair sentence.
NK is playing politics as they always have.NERDS!0 -
g under p wrote:North Korea Sentences 2 US Journalists
Was this a fair sentence or is this NK playing politics here?
Peace
are you asking a serious question? first of all, these journalists are not guilty of anything. second of all, assuming they are, you are asking if 12 years of slavery is fair?0 -
We will never see these folks again.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do0 -
jlew24asu wrote:g under p wrote:North Korea Sentences 2 US Journalists
Was this a fair sentence or is this NK playing politics here?
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are you asking a serious question? first of all, these journalists are not guilty of anything. second of all, assuming they are, you are asking if 12 years of slavery is fair?
Hello, anyone? where is the outrage over this? or are most on this board pleased with the verdict?
we reaped what we sow right?0 -
I heard that Al Gore owns the company they work for, and he was in the works to do whatever to get these 2 free. I also didn't know Lisa Lang's sister is one of the 2 girls. I can't even imagine hard labor for 12 years! NO WAY! this is overkill.I knew all the rules, but the rules did not know me...GUARANTEED!
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my questions....jlew24asu wrote:g under p wrote:North Korea Sentences 2 US Journalists
Was this a fair sentence or is this NK playing politics here?
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are you asking a serious question? first of all, these journalists are not guilty of anything. second of all, assuming they are, you are asking if 12 years of slavery is fair?
Why the fuck were they even there????
Did they actually enter N. Korea???????? Because if they did enter N. Korea, they entered illegally. Right?
Or am I missing something?Take me piece by piece.....
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SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
my questions....jlew24asu wrote:g under p wrote:North Korea Sentences 2 US Journalists
Was this a fair sentence or is this NK playing politics here?
Peace
are you asking a serious question? first of all, these journalists are not guilty of anything. second of all, assuming they are, you are asking if 12 years of slavery is fair?
Why the fuck were they even there????
Did they actually enter N. Korea???????? Because if they did enter N. Korea, they entered illegally. Right?
Or am I missing something?
according to the sister, Lisa Ling, they never intended on entering NK. they might have accidentally crossed over? or grabbed on the China side. no one knows0 -
and to hear that one of these woman has a very small daughter, crying for her mom to come back home. All of this just for a story??? I wouldn't risk it..SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:my questions....
Why the fuck were they even there????
Did they actually enter N. Korea???????? Because if they did enter N. Korea, they entered illegally. Right?
Or am I missing something?I knew all the rules, but the rules did not know me...GUARANTEED!
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I want nothing more than to see these 2 journalists put on the next plane and be sent home.
BUT...
What the fuck were they thinking?????
Covering a story on the N. Korea/China border??
Isnt that the LAST FUCKING PLACE anyone would want to be at this point in time????Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
I totally agree with you..there for what...a bigger paycheck if they got a good story???SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:I want nothing more than to see these 2 journalists put on the next plane and be sent home.
BUT...
What the fuck were they thinking?????
Covering a story on the N. Korea/China border??
Isnt that the LAST FUCKING PLACE anyone would want to be at this point in time????I knew all the rules, but the rules did not know me...GUARANTEED!
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SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:I want nothing more than to see these 2 journalists put on the next plane and be sent home.
BUT...
What the fuck were they thinking?????
Covering a story on the N. Korea/China border??
Isnt that the LAST FUCKING PLACE anyone would want to be at this point in time????
true. but some might consider it brave of them to try and expose what is really going on over there.0 -
Anybody with half a fucking brain ALREADY knows whats going on over there.jlew24asu wrote:SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:I want nothing more than to see these 2 journalists put on the next plane and be sent home.
BUT...
What the fuck were they thinking?????
Covering a story on the N. Korea/China border??
Isnt that the LAST FUCKING PLACE anyone would want to be at this point in time????
true. but some might consider it brave of them to try and expose what is really going on over there.
Bravery or Stupidity????
Im leaning towards Stupidity.......Take me piece by piece.....
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yahamita wrote:
I totally agree with you..there for what...a bigger paycheck if they got a good story???SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:I want nothing more than to see these 2 journalists put on the next plane and be sent home.
BUT...
What the fuck were they thinking?????
Covering a story on the N. Korea/China border??
Isnt that the LAST FUCKING PLACE anyone would want to be at this point in time????
how about to expose a story in an area no one goes?0 -
SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
Anybody with half a fucking brain ALREADY knows whats going on over there.jlew24asu wrote:SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:I want nothing more than to see these 2 journalists put on the next plane and be sent home.
BUT...
What the fuck were they thinking?????
Covering a story on the N. Korea/China border??
Isnt that the LAST FUCKING PLACE anyone would want to be at this point in time????
true. but some might consider it brave of them to try and expose what is really going on over there.
Bravery or Stupidity????
Im leaning towards Stupidity.......
well maybe, but I think the only way to REALLY know whats going on, is to go. something few, if any, actually do. but I also think its important to note that they had no intention of going into NK territory0 -
...jlew24asu wrote:SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:I want nothing more than to see these 2 journalists put on the next plane and be sent home.
BUT...
What the fuck were they thinking?????
Covering a story on the N. Korea/China border??
Isnt that the LAST FUCKING PLACE anyone would want to be at this point in time????
true. but some might consider it brave of them to try and expose what is really going on over there.
Isn't that a for of espionage?
on the one hand, we expect other countries to rule themselves... yet, we expect them to rule the way we would.
If we caught North Korean journalists taking pictures in on of our Air Bases... we'd probably charge them with something. The difference is, we would ship them back home (or trade them for someone they are holding).
And who's to say what the punishment would be? People from other countries think our Death Penalty is inhumane... but, who are they to tell us about our laws?
I'm not condoning this and believe this is a farse by a kooky government run by a nutcase dictator. But, the greater question i see is... who are we to tell them what laws and punishments they should legislate and carry out?Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Cosmo wrote:
...jlew24asu wrote:SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:I want nothing more than to see these 2 journalists put on the next plane and be sent home.
BUT...
What the fuck were they thinking?????
Covering a story on the N. Korea/China border??
Isnt that the LAST FUCKING PLACE anyone would want to be at this point in time????
true. but some might consider it brave of them to try and expose what is really going on over there.
Isn't that a for of espionage?
on the one hand, we expect other countries to rule themselves... yet, we expect them to rule the way we would.
If we caught North Korean journalists taking pictures in on of our Air Bases... we'd probably charge them with something.
these people went to report on refugees along the China NK border...not take pictures of NK military bases. thats the difference...and a big one I might add. :roll:Cosmo wrote:The difference is, we would ship them back home (or trade them for someone they are holding).
And who's to say what the punishment would be? People from other countries think our Death Penalty is inhumane... but, who are they to tell us about our laws?
because we dont convict people to death for no reason. which is exactly what happened there. not to mention that were sentenced to slavery.Cosmo wrote:I'm not condoning this and believe this is a farse by a kooky government run by a nutcase dictator. But, the greater question i see is... who are we to tell them what laws and punishments they should legislate and carry out?
because you cant send someone into years and years of slavery for no reason. thats why. and secondly, our trails are completely public, done by a jury of peers, have appeals processes, etc.
NK did a 5 day secret trail and didnt give a reason for their detainment and sentence.0 -
...jlew24asu wrote:these people went to report on refugees along the China NK border...not take pictures of NK military bases. thats the difference...and a big one I might add. :roll:
because we dont convict people to death for no reason. which is exactly what happened there. not to mention that were sentenced to slavery.
because you cant send someone into years and years of slavery for no reason. thats why.
NK did a 5 day secret trail and didnt give a reason for their detainment and sentence.
You are usually better than that... but, this time, you completely missed my point.
What you are doing is applying U.S. Justice on them.
All I'm saying its that we cannot impose our justice on another country... just as other countries have no business telling us what our laws and punishment should be.
We can protest all we want about their injustice and try to get them freed through diplomatic channels... but, it is ultimately their courtroom... even if they are Kangaroo Courts... to decide based upon their law. In North Korea... it is probably a crime to report on things that are counter to their government. Ridiculous... to us, Yes... but, maybe not to them. Otherwise, foriegners that commit crimes in our country should be tried in their courts, not ours.
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Regarding the amendment about the secret trial and no habeus corpus... that is what dictatorships do. Like Speedy said, as 'journalist', they should have done the background check on North Korea and discovered that it is probably not the wisest thing to do.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Cosmo wrote:
...jlew24asu wrote:these people went to report on refugees along the China NK border...not take pictures of NK military bases. thats the difference...and a big one I might add. :roll:
because we dont convict people to death for no reason. which is exactly what happened there. not to mention that were sentenced to slavery.
because you cant send someone into years and years of slavery for no reason. thats why.
NK did a 5 day secret trail and didnt give a reason for their detainment and sentence.
You are usually better than that... but, this time, you completely missed my point.
What you are doing is applying U.S. Justice on them.
All I'm saying its that we cannot impose our justice on another country... just as other countries have no business telling us what our laws and punishment should be.
We can protest all we want about their injustice and try to get them freed through diplomatic channels... but, it is ultimately their courtroom... even if they are Kangaroo Courts... to decide based upon their law. In North Korea... it is probably a crime to report on things that are counter to their government. Ridiculous... to us, Yes... but, maybe not to them. Otherwise, foriegners that commit crimes in our country should be tried in their courts, not ours.
sentencing them to slavery for no reason should never be acceptable. so yea, in this case, imposing our justice is perfectly fine IMO. although I'm not saying war or anything, just that, such treatment should not be excused just because they "arent like us"Cosmo wrote:...
Regarding the amendment about the secret trial and no habeus corpus... that is what dictatorships do. Like Speedy said, as 'journalist', they should have done the background check on North Korea and discovered that it is probably not the wisest thing to do.
I dont doubt or a second they knew exactly what they were getting involved in. which is why I think they were kidnapped on the China side of the border.
I really can't help but to see these women as brave for trying to report on something that few would do.
anyone think we will see a united Korea in the next 50 years?0 -
This is payback for that documentary that Lisa Ling did on N. Korea. She was with Nat. Geo at the time and they were suppose to be doing a story about a doctor that was going surgically remove cataract's from 100 N.Korean citizens. But she (they ) also exposed Kim Jung ill for what he was and how there are concentration camps that exist.Basically how fucked op that country really is
One of the two reporters that were sentenced is her sister.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:g under p wrote:North Korea Sentences 2 US Journalists
Was this a fair sentence or is this NK playing politics here?
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are you asking a serious question? first of all, these journalists are not guilty of anything. second of all, assuming they are, you are asking if 12 years of slavery is fair?
No, it isn't. But what the hell did these girls expect to happen when they snuck into a fascist dictatorship run by a paranoid psychopath?0
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