North Korea Sentences 2 US Journalists
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North Korea Sentences 2 US Journalists
Was this a fair sentence or is this NK playing politics here?
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Was this a fair sentence or is this NK playing politics here?
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By American standards, it's not a fair sentence.
NK is playing politics as they always have.
are you asking a serious question? first of all, these journalists are not guilty of anything. second of all, assuming they are, you are asking if 12 years of slavery is fair?
for the least they could possibly do
Hello, anyone? where is the outrage over this? or are most on this board pleased with the verdict?
we reaped what we sow right?
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Why the fuck were they even there????
Did they actually enter N. Korea???????? Because if they did enter N. Korea, they entered illegally. Right?
Or am I missing something?
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
according to the sister, Lisa Ling, they never intended on entering NK. they might have accidentally crossed over? or grabbed on the China side. no one knows
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BUT...
What the fuck were they thinking?????
Covering a story on the N. Korea/China border??
Isnt that the LAST FUCKING PLACE anyone would want to be at this point in time????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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true. but some might consider it brave of them to try and expose what is really going on over there.
Bravery or Stupidity????
Im leaning towards Stupidity.......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
how about to expose a story in an area no one goes?
well maybe, but I think the only way to REALLY know whats going on, is to go. something few, if any, actually do. but I also think its important to note that they had no intention of going into NK territory
Isn't that a for of espionage?
on the one hand, we expect other countries to rule themselves... yet, we expect them to rule the way we would.
If we caught North Korean journalists taking pictures in on of our Air Bases... we'd probably charge them with something. The difference is, we would ship them back home (or trade them for someone they are holding).
And who's to say what the punishment would be? People from other countries think our Death Penalty is inhumane... but, who are they to tell us about our laws?
I'm not condoning this and believe this is a farse by a kooky government run by a nutcase dictator. But, the greater question i see is... who are we to tell them what laws and punishments they should legislate and carry out?
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these people went to report on refugees along the China NK border...not take pictures of NK military bases. thats the difference...and a big one I might add. :roll:
because we dont convict people to death for no reason. which is exactly what happened there. not to mention that were sentenced to slavery.
because you cant send someone into years and years of slavery for no reason. thats why. and secondly, our trails are completely public, done by a jury of peers, have appeals processes, etc.
NK did a 5 day secret trail and didnt give a reason for their detainment and sentence.
You are usually better than that... but, this time, you completely missed my point.
What you are doing is applying U.S. Justice on them.
All I'm saying its that we cannot impose our justice on another country... just as other countries have no business telling us what our laws and punishment should be.
We can protest all we want about their injustice and try to get them freed through diplomatic channels... but, it is ultimately their courtroom... even if they are Kangaroo Courts... to decide based upon their law. In North Korea... it is probably a crime to report on things that are counter to their government. Ridiculous... to us, Yes... but, maybe not to them. Otherwise, foriegners that commit crimes in our country should be tried in their courts, not ours.
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Regarding the amendment about the secret trial and no habeus corpus... that is what dictatorships do. Like Speedy said, as 'journalist', they should have done the background check on North Korea and discovered that it is probably not the wisest thing to do.
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sentencing them to slavery for no reason should never be acceptable. so yea, in this case, imposing our justice is perfectly fine IMO. although I'm not saying war or anything, just that, such treatment should not be excused just because they "arent like us"
I dont doubt or a second they knew exactly what they were getting involved in. which is why I think they were kidnapped on the China side of the border.
I really can't help but to see these women as brave for trying to report on something that few would do.
anyone think we will see a united Korea in the next 50 years?
One of the two reporters that were sentenced is her sister.
No, it isn't. But what the hell did these girls expect to happen when they snuck into a fascist dictatorship run by a paranoid psychopath?
Unless they are released in some deal I highly doubt they survive the twelve years.
Something must be done - thoses people are crazy and totally out of control! I hope everything that can be done will be done.
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Sentencing to slavery is not acceptable... what if the punishment for espionage was death? Would that be okay?
Again, I am NOT siding with North Korea or that shithead Kim Jong Il. They are kooky people with kooky laws. I'm just saying that we tell other people to mind their own business when they complain about our Death Penalty, right? What give us the right to tell others what is just or unjust punishment when we reject the opinons of foriegners?
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And the only reason it is big news here is because they are Americans. Had they been Russian journalists, we'd probably never hear about it except in a tiny, two sentence column in the World News section of the New York Times.
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There's been dozens of reported incidents over the years of British 'photographers' detained in remote corners of the world and charged with spying e.t.c. How many of them are innocent and how many do work for M15 or some such organization? The western media will always wash over such incidents, describing those involved as photographers, or tourists e.t.c.
They were lucky not to have been shot on the spot, as happened to a South Korean women who ventured slightly off course in a mountain area a few months back.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7501126.stm
'A South Korean woman has been shot dead by a North Korean soldier in a special tourism zone in the mountains of North Korean, officials from the North say.
The 53-year-old is said to have strayed into a restricted area in the Mount Kumgang resort on the east coast...'
And to be honest, this gives them quite a bit of leverage right now. The US (or any other country) isn't going to do shit over two journalists...especially if they were there illegally.
In a comment made today, NK said that if they had a nuke they'd use it and not feel any remorse...
Saw what you want about the middle east, but it seems to me NK is just itching to get involved with something...
These girls are in BAD shape!
but thats the point...they aren't guilty of espionage...or anything for that matter. so no, the death penalty would not be ok.
um yea so?
wow, always stretching for something aren't you..whatever it takes to make the "west" look bad. ca we do no right?
First point. I am not legitimizing the North Korean justice system... i believe it to be a farce.
That being said, regardless of what I think of their courts, the fact remains, it it their courts. Their courts found the two journalists guilty and sentenced them according to their laws (which I also believe are ridiculous). Since i don't think North Koreans have any business telling us how we should run our courts and which punishment should be imposed... I don't have any business telling them how to run theirs. All I can do is voice an opinion and try to get my government to negotiate their release.
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And the second part... if these journalists were not American... and were North Korean, Russian, Iranian or Chinese journalists... then, you wouldn't have any problems with it? Becasuse that is how I read your response.
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well when they basically sentence our citizens to death for NO reason at all, they make it our business. which is exactly what they are trying to do. I'm not saying we should jump into all out war over this, but there should be consequences.
of course I would care. if a Russian or Iranian get kidnapped and sentenced to death, I'll support them in getting their citizens back, but thats their problem, not mine.
not sure why you would I assume I wouldnt have a problem with others going through this.