good thinking Niko....Were the 98's ever signed though? my Raleigh isnt and there isnt a tab on eb to an ap version
still waiting on that second tube buddy, getting concerned myself now, although they do come registered and needing signature. I might shoot them another email and see if they can track it......
good thinking Niko....Were the 98's ever signed though? my Raleigh isnt and there isnt a tab on eb to an ap version
still waiting on that second tube buddy, getting concerned myself now, although they do come registered and needing signature. I might shoot them another email and see if they can track it......
mine certainly are not? were they just the first 50 or so....
Im not sure how they did it with the 98's. Many were signed and many were not. I think emailing bigpop would be the way to go. Report back here if you get any juicy info:)
The tube gotta be close by now. I would shoot them an email if you havent already.
Im not sure how they did it with the 98's. Many were signed and many were not. I think emailing bigpop would be the way to go. Report back here if you get any juicy info:)
The tube gotta be close by now. I would shoot them an email if you havent already.
I have 5 '98s, all unsigned, acquired either through Ten Club or from the shows themselves.
I'm so dumb - just realised that my boston is signed and #29 - but all my others are not....I know of a few sydneys also that go up to 100, so perhaps it was just the first 100 or so, funny that EB havent added a tab for the AP's...
mine certainly are not? were they just the first 50 or so....
APs for 98s are a little weird. i'm not even sure if bigpop knows which posters were s/n.
i was looking for pitts 98 for a while and was getting conflicting reports as to whether or not there was a s/n for this print. there was a guy on EB saying his was s/n and when i pm'ed him asking him to double check, he never emailed me back. another guy on BRY claimed he had a s/n one and a 1st edition, then a few months later when i inquired again and he said he didnt and that ames never made one for this print (i dont think he remembered me). so i emailed bigpop and they didnt know either. but one way to maybe tell is go to the bigpop website. and if the 98 in the archive is listed "signed and numbered by the artist" then there is an AP. if there isn't (like adelaide, perth, pitts 98) etc, then maybe there wasn't?
can anyone confirm this? does anyone out there have a s/n pitts 98 or seen one?
APs for 98s are a little weird. i'm not even sure if bigpop knows which posters were s/n.
i was looking for pitts 98 for a while and was getting conflicting reports as to whether or not there was a s/n for this print. there was a guy on EB saying his was s/n and when i pm'ed him asking him to double check, he never emailed me back. another guy on BRY claimed he had a s/n one and a 1st edition, then a few months later when i inquired again and he said he didnt and that ames never made one for this print (i dont think he remembered me). so i emailed bigpop and they didnt know either. but one way to maybe tell is go to the bigpop website. and if the 98 in the archive is listed "signed and numbered by the artist" then there is an AP. if there isn't (like adelaide, perth, pitts 98) etc, then maybe there wasn't?
can anyone confirm this? does anyone out there have a s/n pitts 98 or seen one?
I can check if mine is signed and numbered when I get home. I bought this on sale from Ames at half off, think I paid $65 way back when.
On the signature though, Mr. Downtown was a resident artist with Ames, he would help out on posters along with Ward Sutton back on the 96 tour. So, if the posters were not signed when Mr. Downtown was present, they probably went out the door unsigned. I'll verify tonight.
i think they used to do things a little differently than now. some runs were just small, and all got sold before ames ever got a chance to sell them. several of the 96s had runs of only 200 for example. by 98, i think they numbered them out of the whole run. they might have 100 posters to sign and sell, but they numbered them out of the total (like 850 or 900) instead of numbering them out of how many they held back, like an a/p edition. so, even though they might have held back and s/n'd only 200 of those bostons, they would have been numbered out of 900 (or 850. there were several 98s that were numbered to different editions. i think sacto 98 was another one). numbering to the amount held back (ie, the a/p version) didn't kick in until after 2000 i think. most of the 00s were numbered to large editions, too, like 1050 or whatever, so i think they were numbered x/out of the whole run, but they didn't sell 1050 signed and numbered ones on top of the copies sold at shows or through 10c...
I have 5 '98s, all unsigned, acquired either through Ten Club or from the shows themselves.
NICE!!! such beautiful posters, when live on two legs came out, i would just listen to it and sit and stare at the digi pack with the posters all on it and dreeeeeeeeam. always wanted to get my vancouver....
Van '98, Sea I+II '00, Sea '01, Sea II '02, Van '03, Gorge, Van, Cal, Edm '05, Bos I+II, Phi I+II, DC, SF II+III, Port, Gorge I+II '06, DC, NY I+II '08, Sea I+II, Van, Ridge , LA III+IV' 09, Indy '10, Cal, Van '11, Lond, Van, Sea '13, Memphis '14, RRHOF '17, Sea I+II '18, Van I+II, Vegas I+II '24
I can check if mine is signed and numbered when I get home. I bought this on sale from Ames at half off, think I paid $65 way back when.
On the signature though, Mr. Downtown was a resident artist with Ames, he would help out on posters along with Ward Sutton back on the 96 tour. So, if the posters were not signed when Mr. Downtown was present, they probably went out the door unsigned. I'll verify tonight.
quite a deal there for 65. remember seeing them for 15 (or was it 20?) at the show, and opting to pass in favor of a shirt. ended up spending about 250 for mine about 6 months ago (i posted framed pics of it up in the framed thread), not too shabby considering the recent lack of availability of this print. in my search, one seller i contacted wanted 400+.
anyways, i'd love to know if yours is s/n. appreciate you checking....
I posted on here a long time ago with a very similar concern...everyone blasted me saying that I was wrong...so, I ordered one to see for myself, it was a decent quality photo copy, but the dimensions were incorrect and the but wasnt right..... I only spent about 33 bucks, but the desctiption was such that they said they got them from a collector's spouse and didnt know how to value them...OR SOMETHING like that...I actually forget....
HOWEVER....if you read these descriptions, it says thinner than usual and there is no way they should be allowed to sell them.....
i think they used to do things a little differently than now. some runs were just small, and all got sold before ames ever got a chance to sell them. several of the 96s had runs of only 200 for example. by 98, i think they numbered them out of the whole run. they might have 100 posters to sign and sell, but they numbered them out of the total (like 850 or 900) instead of numbering them out of how many they held back, like an a/p edition. so, even though they might have held back and s/n'd only 200 of those bostons, they would have been numbered out of 900 (or 850. there were several 98s that were numbered to different editions. i think sacto 98 was another one). numbering to the amount held back (ie, the a/p version) didn't kick in until after 2000 i think. most of the 00s were numbered to large editions, too, like 1050 or whatever, so i think they were numbered x/out of the whole run, but they didn't sell 1050 signed and numbered ones on top of the copies sold at shows or through 10c...
well said. as supply & demand, eBay, and soaring poster values evolved so did Ames' culture towards said posters. the MAJORITY of my '98 posters i obtained a couple of years ago for $65 each, every single one having been purchased at each individual show so none are S/N. of my '96 posters, only one ('96 Istanbul) is signed by Coby Schultz but not numbered - i suppose given the limited number of the edition that shouldn't really matter, but still would have been nice,...
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That Indy one is very suspect as well. The light green part of the schroom should be little checkers of dark green / white to give the lighter effect. Even from 6 feet away I can pick up on the checks. I dont see it in either pic on ebay. I feel bad for the people bidding.
225 for indy, 237.50 for knoxville. i think most people were on to these posters. obviously some weren't, but if most people didn't think these were fake, they'd have gone for 3 times that.
those poor bidders! id feel lower than shit if i jumped on the pit after buying a poster for $200+ only to read an entire thread about how i just bought a FAKE!
if pearl jam would just dig into the archives and make an official RE-release of these prints than this wouldnt happen. id buy an offical re-print who cares if its a reprint the cool art is still cool art.
we all like the art for the art, i dont care if the poster is rare or not. the fact that my hawaii 2006 poster is rare doesnt make it any cooler to me. if there were five million prints of that poster in circulation id still have my copy framed like i do and id still think it rocks just as hard!
quite a deal there for 65. remember seeing them for 15 (or was it 20?) at the show, and opting to pass in favor of a shirt. ended up spending about 250 for mine about 6 months ago (i posted framed pics of it up in the framed thread), not too shabby considering the recent lack of availability of this print. in my search, one seller i contacted wanted 400+.
anyways, i'd love to know if yours is s/n. appreciate you checking....
My pittsburgh 98 direct from ames is not signed or numbered. My brothers each bought an ireland 96 (another mr downtown poster). One has a numbered poster w/o signature and the other has neither the sig nor number.
I would take it, a mr downtown poster would be a difficult one to get a signature on.
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Yeah and the inner white border on the fake is really thick- that's what throws off the positioning of the bike tire and left foot so badly.
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this should be stopped, any idea how?
This is why I always go for the AP's.
still waiting on that second tube buddy, getting concerned myself now, although they do come registered and needing signature. I might shoot them another email and see if they can track it......
Yes, 1998s were signed.
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mine certainly are not? were they just the first 50 or so....
email bigpop?
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Im not sure how they did it with the 98's. Many were signed and many were not. I think emailing bigpop would be the way to go. Report back here if you get any juicy info:)
The tube gotta be close by now. I would shoot them an email if you havent already.
I have 5 '98s, all unsigned, acquired either through Ten Club or from the shows themselves.
nevermind...Niko I've emailed Bigpop
Thank you making this post. I had no idea how widespread counterfeiting had become with PJ posters until reading this thread.
APs for 98s are a little weird. i'm not even sure if bigpop knows which posters were s/n.
i was looking for pitts 98 for a while and was getting conflicting reports as to whether or not there was a s/n for this print. there was a guy on EB saying his was s/n and when i pm'ed him asking him to double check, he never emailed me back. another guy on BRY claimed he had a s/n one and a 1st edition, then a few months later when i inquired again and he said he didnt and that ames never made one for this print (i dont think he remembered me). so i emailed bigpop and they didnt know either. but one way to maybe tell is go to the bigpop website. and if the 98 in the archive is listed "signed and numbered by the artist" then there is an AP. if there isn't (like adelaide, perth, pitts 98) etc, then maybe there wasn't?
can anyone confirm this? does anyone out there have a s/n pitts 98 or seen one?
I note quite a few have
There are copies out there numbered out of 850, and others numbered out of 900, and some that are not numbered.
All of my research leads me to believe that it is just some type of official screw up, and not any chicanery that lead to the number problems.
I can check if mine is signed and numbered when I get home. I bought this on sale from Ames at half off, think I paid $65 way back when.
On the signature though, Mr. Downtown was a resident artist with Ames, he would help out on posters along with Ward Sutton back on the 96 tour. So, if the posters were not signed when Mr. Downtown was present, they probably went out the door unsigned. I'll verify tonight.
ebay isn't evil people are
The South is Much Obliged
NICE!!! such beautiful posters, when live on two legs came out, i would just listen to it and sit and stare at the digi pack with the posters all on it and dreeeeeeeeam. always wanted to get my vancouver....
quite a deal there for 65. remember seeing them for 15 (or was it 20?) at the show, and opting to pass in favor of a shirt. ended up spending about 250 for mine about 6 months ago (i posted framed pics of it up in the framed thread), not too shabby considering the recent lack of availability of this print. in my search, one seller i contacted wanted 400+.
anyways, i'd love to know if yours is s/n. appreciate you checking....
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I posted on here a long time ago with a very similar concern...everyone blasted me saying that I was wrong...so, I ordered one to see for myself, it was a decent quality photo copy, but the dimensions were incorrect and the but wasnt right..... I only spent about 33 bucks, but the desctiption was such that they said they got them from a collector's spouse and didnt know how to value them...OR SOMETHING like that...I actually forget....
HOWEVER....if you read these descriptions, it says thinner than usual and there is no way they should be allowed to sell them.....
well said. as supply & demand, eBay, and soaring poster values evolved so did Ames' culture towards said posters. the MAJORITY of my '98 posters i obtained a couple of years ago for $65 each, every single one having been purchased at each individual show so none are S/N. of my '96 posters, only one ('96 Istanbul) is signed by Coby Schultz but not numbered - i suppose given the limited number of the edition that shouldn't really matter, but still would have been nice,...
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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the raleigh for sure is a FAKE!! that makes the other two automatic in my books....
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I just sent a report to ebay with the 3 posters in question. Hope it doesnt piss anyone off.
ebay isn't evil people are
The South is Much Obliged
if pearl jam would just dig into the archives and make an official RE-release of these prints than this wouldnt happen. id buy an offical re-print who cares if its a reprint the cool art is still cool art.
we all like the art for the art, i dont care if the poster is rare or not. the fact that my hawaii 2006 poster is rare doesnt make it any cooler to me. if there were five million prints of that poster in circulation id still have my copy framed like i do and id still think it rocks just as hard!
My pittsburgh 98 direct from ames is not signed or numbered. My brothers each bought an ireland 96 (another mr downtown poster). One has a numbered poster w/o signature and the other has neither the sig nor number.
I would take it, a mr downtown poster would be a difficult one to get a signature on.