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  • lastexit78lastexit78 Posts: 474
    So essentially the Cavs traded Kyrie Irving for the Brooklyn pick plus Clarkson & Nance? Plus they just lost their '18 pick and a decent role player in Frye? That's a good way to wreck a franchise. They better strike gold with the Brooklyn pick otherwise that could go down as an All Time bad trade. I guess they are going to essentially use LeBron as a Point Forward because they have no legit PG. Sorry Derrick Rose doesn't count. No way LeBron at his age can handle Westbrook/Harden usage at his age. He's already wearing down, just wait until April/May.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,286
    So essentially the Cavs traded Kyrie Irving for the Brooklyn pick plus Clarkson & Nance? Plus they just lost their '18 pick and a decent role player in Frye? That's a good way to wreck a franchise. They better strike gold with the Brooklyn pick otherwise that could go down as an All Time bad trade. I guess they are going to essentially use LeBron as a Point Forward because they have no legit PG. Sorry Derrick Rose doesn't count. No way LeBron at his age can handle Westbrook/Harden usage at his age. He's already wearing down, just wait until April/May.
    I'm watching the defense wane down from the Cavs, like there isn't any, so yeah, they will get killed.
  • No CoderNo Coder Brisbane Posts: 906
    After all those trades, the Cavs still do not have anyone who can defend the rim. George Hill will help the back court D and Clarkson and Nance are defensive upgrades on who left, but there must be a plan to bring in someone to help back up TT at the C spot. Could they give Bogut another look? He has said he has been talking to contending teams and would make a decision after the trade deadline..

    Lakers have set themselves up perfectly for the offseason. Got rid of a heap of money this year and don't have to keep IT if they can attract LBJ and or Paul George
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,286
    No Coder said:
    After all those trades, the Cavs still do not have anyone who can defend the rim. George Hill will help the back court D and Clarkson and Nance are defensive upgrades on who left, but there must be a plan to bring in someone to help back up TT at the C spot. Could they give Bogut another look? He has said he has been talking to contending teams and would make a decision after the trade deadline..

    Lakers have set themselves up perfectly for the offseason. Got rid of a heap of money this year and don't have to keep IT if they can attract LBJ and or Paul George
    LBJ going to the Lakers sounds about as good as going to the Knicks...
  • lastexit78lastexit78 Posts: 474
    I think the Cavs are slightly better but nowhere near good enough to win it all. As flawed as Thomas, Rose & Wade were they could all break down a defense and create their own shot off the dribble. None of the guys they got back can really do that. I live in Sacramento and have followed George Hill this season and he’s been awful on defense. If the Cavs think he’s the answer to fix their defensive problems they are delusional. So now LeBron has to take on the most offensive responsibility he’s had since the 2010 Cavs? I would never double LeBron, let him score 35 a game because nobody else on that roster can get 20 without LeBron creating them open shots.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,286
    I think the Cavs are slightly better but nowhere near good enough to win it all. As flawed as Thomas, Rose & Wade were they could all break down a defense and create their own shot off the dribble. None of the guys they got back can really do that. I live in Sacramento and have followed George Hill this season and he’s been awful on defense. If the Cavs think he’s the answer to fix their defensive problems they are delusional. So now LeBron has to take on the most offensive responsibility he’s had since the 2010 Cavs? I would never double LeBron, let him score 35 a game because nobody else on that roster can get 20 without LeBron creating them open shots.
    If Korver and Smith get hot they both can score 20.
  • No CoderNo Coder Brisbane Posts: 906
    I think the Cavs are slightly better but nowhere near good enough to win it all. As flawed as Thomas, Rose & Wade were they could all break down a defense and create their own shot off the dribble. None of the guys they got back can really do that. I live in Sacramento and have followed George Hill this season and he’s been awful on defense. If the Cavs think he’s the answer to fix their defensive problems they are delusional. So now LeBron has to take on the most offensive responsibility he’s had since the 2010 Cavs? I would never double LeBron, let him score 35 a game because nobody else on that roster can get 20 without LeBron creating them open shots.
    I do agree that Hill has not been playing good D, but a traffic cone would be an improvement on IT's defense, so he is an upgrade at the position.
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,697
    “traffic cone” :lol:

    as a jazz fan, the jury is out. hood could score in bunches but other nights go 1-12.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • No CoderNo Coder Brisbane Posts: 906
    Joe Ingles has been on fire in the last month. Really knocking those 3's down
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,286
    Well now.  Have the Cavs just been playing possum all this time?  If they play like the way they did against the Celtics then they'll be in the finals again.

    Wow.

    Didn't see that coming at all.

    Lebron is tricking us again...
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 8,666
    First game with the new guys, caught lightning in a bottle. Cavs started the season looking good too, then what happened. Give it a couple of weeks and it'll be a dumpster fire again once the new guys realize how LeBron is as a teammate.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,697
    No Coder said:
    Joe Ingles has been on fire in the last month. Really knocking those 3's down
    Jingling Joe and the Jazz!
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • No CoderNo Coder Brisbane Posts: 906
    Wobbie said:
    No Coder said:
    Joe Ingles has been on fire in the last month. Really knocking those 3's down
    Jingling Joe and the Jazz!
    He could be in consideration for NBA player of the week if they take into account his efficiency as well. He's killing them
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,286
    So Cavs.  You make me think that you are out of it. 

    You then make a trade, are all revitalized and blowing out the competition?

    I will be the first to say that I am sorry.

    Sorry to Lebron, even though I can't understand your genius anymore, I'm sorry.

    See you in the finals...
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,697
    turrible....


    If I had known then what I know now...

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    VIC 07
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    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,697
    ^^^^ he did have a triple double, but not enough to stop the Jazz from winning #11 in a row.

    donovan mitchell = ROY
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • No CoderNo Coder Brisbane Posts: 906
    Wobbie said:
    ^^^^ he did have a triple double, but not enough to stop the Jazz from winning #11 in a row.

    donovan mitchell = ROY
    Ben Simmons might have something to say about that (another triple double today)...Mitchell is having a superb year though and is easily the best true first year player, as Ben had a year to see what the NBA life was like
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,697
    donovan > ben.

    donovan has replaced gordon hayward and then some.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 31,215
    edited February 15
    Wobbie said:
    donovan > ben.

    donovan has replaced gordon hayward and then some.
    Are we only talking about scoring? If so, that’s probably true, while Ben still hasn’t developed his outside shot. Mitchell averages 3 more points than Simmons while taking 3 more shots. 

    If we are talking about playing a complete game of basketball, perhaps you are not paying close enough attention?

    Simmons averages more:
    Steals
    Rebounds
    Assists
    Blocks
    Higher field goal %
    Better defensive rating
    Better +/- ratio
    Higher VORP
    Higher PER

    And he’s tied with Magic Johnson as the only rookies in NBA history with 6 triple doubles...and he still has 2 month’s left to play. 

    Scary to think how much better he will be with an outside shot added to his repertoire in a year or two..
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,697
    I’ve never seen ben simmons play. :lol:
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • Indifference71Indifference71 ChicagoPosts: 12,609
    So Cavs.  You make me think that you are out of it. 

    You then make a trade, are all revitalized and blowing out the competition?

    I will be the first to say that I am sorry.

    Sorry to Lebron, even though I can't understand your genius anymore, I'm sorry.

    See you in the finals...

    Every time it looks like the Cavs are done, Lebron goes out and has one of those games where he absolutely dominates like he did the other night against OKC and reminds you he's still the best player in the league.
    6/18/03, 5/17/06, 6/30/06, 8/5/07, 6/22/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 7/19/13, 11/21/13, 11/23/13, 11/24/13, 10/17/14, 10/20/14, 4/18/16, 4/20/16, 5/2/16, 5/3/16, 8/20/16, 8/22/16
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,286
    So Cavs.  You make me think that you are out of it. 

    You then make a trade, are all revitalized and blowing out the competition?

    I will be the first to say that I am sorry.

    Sorry to Lebron, even though I can't understand your genius anymore, I'm sorry.

    See you in the finals...

    Every time it looks like the Cavs are done, Lebron goes out and has one of those games where he absolutely dominates like he did the other night against OKC and reminds you he's still the best player in the league.
    Exactly.  I should know better, that's why I said I was sorry...
  • Indifference71Indifference71 ChicagoPosts: 12,609
    So Cavs.  You make me think that you are out of it. 

    You then make a trade, are all revitalized and blowing out the competition?

    I will be the first to say that I am sorry.

    Sorry to Lebron, even though I can't understand your genius anymore, I'm sorry.

    See you in the finals...

    Every time it looks like the Cavs are done, Lebron goes out and has one of those games where he absolutely dominates like he did the other night against OKC and reminds you he's still the best player in the league.
    Exactly.  I should know better, that's why I said I was sorry...
    Haha....I think everyone was thinking the same.  I absolutely love watching those games where he just takes over.  That game against Detroit in the playoffs way back early in his career where he scored like 25 straight points to close out the game is still one of my favorite NBA things ever.  Hopefully Cleveland figures it out and can give GS a good series in the Finals.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 13,286
    So Cavs.  You make me think that you are out of it. 

    You then make a trade, are all revitalized and blowing out the competition?

    I will be the first to say that I am sorry.

    Sorry to Lebron, even though I can't understand your genius anymore, I'm sorry.

    See you in the finals...

    Every time it looks like the Cavs are done, Lebron goes out and has one of those games where he absolutely dominates like he did the other night against OKC and reminds you he's still the best player in the league.
    Exactly.  I should know better, that's why I said I was sorry...
    Haha....I think everyone was thinking the same.  I absolutely love watching those games where he just takes over.  That game against Detroit in the playoffs way back early in his career where he scored like 25 straight points to close out the game is still one of my favorite NBA things ever.  Hopefully Cleveland figures it out and can give GS a good series in the Finals.
    If GS doesn't figure it out there are the Rockets and OKC to deal with.  Don't forget that.  Oh and the ever so quiet Spurs too.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 31,215
    edited February 15
    Wobbie said:
    I’ve never seen ben simmons play. :lol:


    Ben and the Sixers are 2-0 against Don and the Jazz this year too. And I'm pretty sure Ben had double doubles both those games


    Beat it Wob!

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 23,697
    Wobbie said:
    I’ve never seen ben simmons play. :lol:


    Ben and the Sixers are 2-0 against Don and the Jazz this year too. And I'm pretty sure Ben had double doubles both those games


    Beat it Wob!


    your boy steven a. agrees with me!
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
  • Indifference71Indifference71 ChicagoPosts: 12,609
    So Cavs.  You make me think that you are out of it. 

    You then make a trade, are all revitalized and blowing out the competition?

    I will be the first to say that I am sorry.

    Sorry to Lebron, even though I can't understand your genius anymore, I'm sorry.

    See you in the finals...

    Every time it looks like the Cavs are done, Lebron goes out and has one of those games where he absolutely dominates like he did the other night against OKC and reminds you he's still the best player in the league.
    Exactly.  I should know better, that's why I said I was sorry...
    Haha....I think everyone was thinking the same.  I absolutely love watching those games where he just takes over.  That game against Detroit in the playoffs way back early in his career where he scored like 25 straight points to close out the game is still one of my favorite NBA things ever.  Hopefully Cleveland figures it out and can give GS a good series in the Finals.
    If GS doesn't figure it out there are the Rockets and OKC to deal with.  Don't forget that.  Oh and the ever so quiet Spurs too.
    Can't see OKC doing it, but the Rockets have a chance.  Either way, really hoping we get a Rockets-Warriors series this year...that will be wild.
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  • No CoderNo Coder Brisbane Posts: 906
    Wobbie said:
    Wobbie said:
    I’ve never seen ben simmons play. :lol:


    Ben and the Sixers are 2-0 against Don and the Jazz this year too. And I'm pretty sure Ben had double doubles both those games


    Beat it Wob!


    your boy steven a. agrees with me!
    That just confirms that Simmons should be ROY if Steven A is backing Mitchell.
    He needs to stop yelling, one of the most annoying MF on TV
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me

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