2017/18 NBA Thread

lastexit78

So essentially the Cavs traded Kyrie Irving for the Brooklyn pick plus Clarkson & Nance? Plus they just lost their '18 pick and a decent role player in Frye? That's a good way to wreck a franchise. They better strike gold with the Brooklyn pick otherwise that could go down as an All Time bad trade. I guess they are going to essentially use LeBron as a Point Forward because they have no legit PG. Sorry Derrick Rose doesn't count. No way LeBron at his age can handle Westbrook/Harden usage at his age. He's already wearing down, just wait until April/May.

tempo_n_groove

lastexit78 said:

So essentially the Cavs traded Kyrie Irving for the Brooklyn pick plus Clarkson & Nance? Plus they just lost their '18 pick and a decent role player in Frye? That's a good way to wreck a franchise. They better strike gold with the Brooklyn pick otherwise that could go down as an All Time bad trade. I guess they are going to essentially use LeBron as a Point Forward because they have no legit PG. Sorry Derrick Rose doesn't count. No way LeBron at his age can handle Westbrook/Harden usage at his age. He's already wearing down, just wait until April/May.

I'm watching the defense wane down from the Cavs, like there isn't any, so yeah, they will get killed.

No Coder

After all those trades, the Cavs still do not have anyone who can defend the rim. George Hill will help the back court D and Clarkson and Nance are defensive upgrades on who left, but there must be a plan to bring in someone to help back up TT at the C spot. Could they give Bogut another look? He has said he has been talking to contending teams and would make a decision after the trade deadline..

Lakers have set themselves up perfectly for the offseason. Got rid of a heap of money this year and don't have to keep IT if they can attract LBJ and or Paul George

tempo_n_groove

No Coder said:

After all those trades, the Cavs still do not have anyone who can defend the rim. George Hill will help the back court D and Clarkson and Nance are defensive upgrades on who left, but there must be a plan to bring in someone to help back up TT at the C spot. Could they give Bogut another look? He has said he has been talking to contending teams and would make a decision after the trade deadline..

Lakers have set themselves up perfectly for the offseason. Got rid of a heap of money this year and don't have to keep IT if they can attract LBJ and or Paul George

LBJ going to the Lakers sounds about as good as going to the Knicks...

lastexit78

I think the Cavs are slightly better but nowhere near good enough to win it all. As flawed as Thomas, Rose & Wade were they could all break down a defense and create their own shot off the dribble. None of the guys they got back can really do that. I live in Sacramento and have followed George Hill this season and he’s been awful on defense. If the Cavs think he’s the answer to fix their defensive problems they are delusional. So now LeBron has to take on the most offensive responsibility he’s had since the 2010 Cavs? I would never double LeBron, let him score 35 a game because nobody else on that roster can get 20 without LeBron creating them open shots.

tempo_n_groove

lastexit78 said:

I think the Cavs are slightly better but nowhere near good enough to win it all. As flawed as Thomas, Rose & Wade were they could all break down a defense and create their own shot off the dribble. None of the guys they got back can really do that. I live in Sacramento and have followed George Hill this season and he’s been awful on defense. If the Cavs think he’s the answer to fix their defensive problems they are delusional. So now LeBron has to take on the most offensive responsibility he’s had since the 2010 Cavs? I would never double LeBron, let him score 35 a game because nobody else on that roster can get 20 without LeBron creating them open shots.

If Korver and Smith get hot they both can score 20.

No Coder

lastexit78 said:

I think the Cavs are slightly better but nowhere near good enough to win it all. As flawed as Thomas, Rose & Wade were they could all break down a defense and create their own shot off the dribble. None of the guys they got back can really do that. I live in Sacramento and have followed George Hill this season and he’s been awful on defense. If the Cavs think he’s the answer to fix their defensive problems they are delusional. So now LeBron has to take on the most offensive responsibility he’s had since the 2010 Cavs? I would never double LeBron, let him score 35 a game because nobody else on that roster can get 20 without LeBron creating them open shots.

I do agree that Hill has not been playing good D, but a traffic cone would be an improvement on IT's defense, so he is an upgrade at the position.

Wobbie

“traffic cone”

as a jazz fan, the jury is out. hood could score in bunches but other nights go 1-12.

No Coder

Joe Ingles has been on fire in the last month. Really knocking those 3's down

tempo_n_groove

Well now.  Have the Cavs just been playing possum all this time?  If they play like the way they did against the Celtics then they'll be in the finals again.

Wow.

Didn't see that coming at all.

Lebron is tricking us again...

Poncier

First game with the new guys, caught lightning in a bottle. Cavs started the season looking good too, then what happened. Give it a couple of weeks and it'll be a dumpster fire again once the new guys realize how LeBron is as a teammate.

Wobbie

No Coder said:

Joe Ingles has been on fire in the last month. Really knocking those 3's down

Jingling Joe and the Jazz!

No Coder

Wobbie said:

No Coder said:

Joe Ingles has been on fire in the last month. Really knocking those 3's down

Jingling Joe and the Jazz!

He could be in consideration for NBA player of the week if they take into account his efficiency as well. He's killing them

tempo_n_groove

So Cavs.  You make me think that you are out of it. 

You then make a trade, are all revitalized and blowing out the competition?

I will be the first to say that I am sorry.

Sorry to Lebron, even though I can't understand your genius anymore, I'm sorry.

See you in the finals...

Wobbie

turrible....

Wobbie

^^^^ he did have a triple double, but not enough to stop the Jazz from winning #11 in a row.

donovan mitchell = ROY

No Coder

Wobbie said:

^^^^ he did have a triple double, but not enough to stop the Jazz from winning #11 in a row.

donovan mitchell = ROY

Ben Simmons might have something to say about that (another triple double today)...Mitchell is having a superb year though and is easily the best true first year player, as Ben had a year to see what the NBA life was like

Wobbie

donovan > ben.

donovan has replaced gordon hayward and then some.

The Juggler

Wobbie said:

donovan > ben.

donovan has replaced gordon hayward and then some.

Are we only talking about scoring? If so, that’s probably true, while Ben still hasn’t developed his outside shot. Mitchell averages 3 more points than Simmons while taking 3 more shots. 

If we are talking about playing a complete game of basketball, perhaps you are not paying close enough attention?

Simmons averages more:
Steals
Rebounds
Assists
Blocks
Higher field goal %
Better defensive rating
Better +/- ratio
Higher VORP
Higher PER

And he’s tied with Magic Johnson as the only rookies in NBA history with 6 triple doubles...and he still has 2 month’s left to play. 

Scary to think how much better he will be with an outside shot added to his repertoire in a year or two..

Wobbie

I’ve never seen ben simmons play.

Indifference71

tempo_n_groove said:

So Cavs.  You make me think that you are out of it. 

You then make a trade, are all revitalized and blowing out the competition?

I will be the first to say that I am sorry.

Sorry to Lebron, even though I can't understand your genius anymore, I'm sorry.

See you in the finals...

Every time it looks like the Cavs are done, Lebron goes out and has one of those games where he absolutely dominates like he did the other night against OKC and reminds you he's still the best player in the league.

tempo_n_groove

Indifference71 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So Cavs.  You make me think that you are out of it. 

You then make a trade, are all revitalized and blowing out the competition?

I will be the first to say that I am sorry.

Sorry to Lebron, even though I can't understand your genius anymore, I'm sorry.

See you in the finals...

Every time it looks like the Cavs are done, Lebron goes out and has one of those games where he absolutely dominates like he did the other night against OKC and reminds you he's still the best player in the league.

Exactly.  I should know better, that's why I said I was sorry...

Indifference71

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference71 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So Cavs.  You make me think that you are out of it. 

You then make a trade, are all revitalized and blowing out the competition?

I will be the first to say that I am sorry.

Sorry to Lebron, even though I can't understand your genius anymore, I'm sorry.

See you in the finals...

Every time it looks like the Cavs are done, Lebron goes out and has one of those games where he absolutely dominates like he did the other night against OKC and reminds you he's still the best player in the league.

Exactly.  I should know better, that's why I said I was sorry...

Haha....I think everyone was thinking the same.  I absolutely love watching those games where he just takes over.  That game against Detroit in the playoffs way back early in his career where he scored like 25 straight points to close out the game is still one of my favorite NBA things ever.  Hopefully Cleveland figures it out and can give GS a good series in the Finals.

tempo_n_groove

Indifference71 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference71 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So Cavs.  You make me think that you are out of it. 

You then make a trade, are all revitalized and blowing out the competition?

I will be the first to say that I am sorry.

Sorry to Lebron, even though I can't understand your genius anymore, I'm sorry.

See you in the finals...

Every time it looks like the Cavs are done, Lebron goes out and has one of those games where he absolutely dominates like he did the other night against OKC and reminds you he's still the best player in the league.

Exactly.  I should know better, that's why I said I was sorry...

Haha....I think everyone was thinking the same.  I absolutely love watching those games where he just takes over.  That game against Detroit in the playoffs way back early in his career where he scored like 25 straight points to close out the game is still one of my favorite NBA things ever.  Hopefully Cleveland figures it out and can give GS a good series in the Finals.

If GS doesn't figure it out there are the Rockets and OKC to deal with.  Don't forget that.  Oh and the ever so quiet Spurs too.

The Juggler

Wobbie said:

I’ve never seen ben simmons play.

Ben and the Sixers are 2-0 against Don and the Jazz this year too. And I'm pretty sure Ben had double doubles both those games

Beat it Wob!

Wobbie

The Juggler said:

Wobbie said:

I’ve never seen ben simmons play.

Ben and the Sixers are 2-0 against Don and the Jazz this year too. And I'm pretty sure Ben had double doubles both those games

Beat it Wob!

your boy steven a. agrees with me!

Indifference71

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference71 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference71 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So Cavs.  You make me think that you are out of it. 

You then make a trade, are all revitalized and blowing out the competition?

I will be the first to say that I am sorry.

Sorry to Lebron, even though I can't understand your genius anymore, I'm sorry.

See you in the finals...

Every time it looks like the Cavs are done, Lebron goes out and has one of those games where he absolutely dominates like he did the other night against OKC and reminds you he's still the best player in the league.

Exactly.  I should know better, that's why I said I was sorry...

Haha....I think everyone was thinking the same.  I absolutely love watching those games where he just takes over.  That game against Detroit in the playoffs way back early in his career where he scored like 25 straight points to close out the game is still one of my favorite NBA things ever.  Hopefully Cleveland figures it out and can give GS a good series in the Finals.

If GS doesn't figure it out there are the Rockets and OKC to deal with.  Don't forget that.  Oh and the ever so quiet Spurs too.

Can't see OKC doing it, but the Rockets have a chance.  Either way, really hoping we get a Rockets-Warriors series this year...that will be wild.

No Coder

Wobbie said:

The Juggler said:

Wobbie said:

I’ve never seen ben simmons play.

Ben and the Sixers are 2-0 against Don and the Jazz this year too. And I'm pretty sure Ben had double doubles both those games

Beat it Wob!

your boy steven a. agrees with me!

That just confirms that Simmons should be ROY if Steven A is backing Mitchell.
He needs to stop yelling, one of the most annoying MF on TV

23scidoo

Keep up boy..
http://usa.greekreporter.com/2017/10/24/super-giannis-scores-over-30-points-again-breaks-kareem-abdul-jabbar-record/

tempo_n_groove

23scidoo said:

Keep up boy..
http://usa.greekreporter.com/2017/10/24/super-giannis-scores-over-30-points-again-breaks-kareem-abdul-jabbar-record/

Once he gets a jump shot he will be unstoppable.