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The Number Notebook for GA is horrifically flawed.
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Dear all type A PJ fans, some things you can't control and GA is one of them. Fan appointed notebook that only the informed few know about is a horrifically flawed and elitist system that should be stopped immediately. The idea is fine however only if done by Pearl Jam. They are the only ones that could commucate to all GA ticket holders that a system like this would exist. If you don't know that you could get your tickets at 2 and leave and come back and cut the line that someone that didn't know stood in line for hours and got cut that is bullshit. End this practice. If you want to be in the front get here at 11 and stand just like any other GA system ever.
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Now I dont mind if one of the 2 that came as a pair went off and waited in the merch line.
Yes, I agree that's fine too. Though that can sometimes take awhile, if that's what they're doing and come right back, then that's ok in my book in the spirit of fandom to be able to grab merch for that show. There's really so much to it. I could see where some might not like that. But it's the pairs who arrive back, saying we're on the list, so....."sorry, now we're back at 5:30 and you have to deal with it. Here, look, it's ok, I have a number in magic marker on my hand that proves that at one point around 10 am, I was here..."
This is actually happening? What a joke. I didn't notice this at Hartford and I was there before the doors opened.
The people who run this "notebook" must be the same type of people who cry and start petitions because they didn't get Sevens.
Wow.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
They are people from this board?
Who put themselves in charge?
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
The other thing is why the hell would the people in line not kick someone's ass for walking in front of line?
'10- MSG 1-2 '11- PJ20
'12- MIA; DeLuna '13- Wrigley; Pitt; Brooklyn 1-2; Philly 1-2; Baltimore; Seattle
'14- Denver '16- Philly 1-2; MSG 2
'17- Pilgrimage Music Fest (Eddie)
'18- Fenway
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I didn't know Obama was hitting the PJ shows. :corn:
'10- MSG 1-2 '11- PJ20
'12- MIA; DeLuna '13- Wrigley; Pitt; Brooklyn 1-2; Philly 1-2; Baltimore; Seattle
'14- Denver '16- Philly 1-2; MSG 2
'17- Pilgrimage Music Fest (Eddie)
'18- Fenway
'10- MSG 1-2 '11- PJ20
'12- MIA; DeLuna '13- Wrigley; Pitt; Brooklyn 1-2; Philly 1-2; Baltimore; Seattle
'14- Denver '16- Philly 1-2; MSG 2
'17- Pilgrimage Music Fest (Eddie)
'18- Fenway
No, but his biggest supporter just happens to front the band we all love so much.
:?
But yeah, still no idea what this notebook thing is.
'10- MSG 1-2 '11- PJ20
'12- MIA; DeLuna '13- Wrigley; Pitt; Brooklyn 1-2; Philly 1-2; Baltimore; Seattle
'14- Denver '16- Philly 1-2; MSG 2
'17- Pilgrimage Music Fest (Eddie)
'18- Fenway
I mean seriously...
Where the fuck do they get off?
Elitist fucks, doesn't even begin to describe.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I will never line up for GA and get a number. I like what another person said in another thread. Following the band also means seeing new cities, exploring them and meeting fellow fans. All of this gets lost with the stupid rail frenzy. That wouldn't be my thing.
And GA is like a living organism, it changes and morphs. People have to go to the bathroom or feel dizzy because they haven't eaten or drunk anything the whole day... whatever, the mass is moving. People might loose their spot, and others move on. Let others enjoy what you had for a while. People need to loosen up, that's what they need to.
'10- MSG 1-2 '11- PJ20
'12- MIA; DeLuna '13- Wrigley; Pitt; Brooklyn 1-2; Philly 1-2; Baltimore; Seattle
'14- Denver '16- Philly 1-2; MSG 2
'17- Pilgrimage Music Fest (Eddie)
'18- Fenway
I'll be in that GA line shortly and there will be no such shenanigans on my watch.
In my opinion, you can leave the line for "pit stops" and reclaim your spot when you return within a reasonable period of time (= ASAP).
pit stop n.
1. Sports A stop at a pit for refueling or service during an automobile race.
2. Informal
a. A brief stop for rest and refreshment, especially during an automobile trip.
b. A place where such a stop is made.
So a Pit stop from the pit lane is allowed for: collecting your tickets, grab something to eat, go to the restroom, go buy something at the merch stand,... as long as you plan on being back in line As Soon As Possible.
If you get lost for hours and think that you can return and reclaim that spot you left hours ago, then you and I are going to have a problem. Shit like "my friend over there was keeping my spot in line" will not fly! Get out of the line!
You were supposed to be in that line all day. If I didn't see your face around during the day, you shall not pass. Get out of the line! When I'm certain that you didn't pass me on your way out of the line... Get out of the line! :nono:
The most important thing you have to do when leaving the line for a brief 'pit stop' is making sure that most people you pass have acknowledged you as a person being in front of them. You might even want to tell some of them what you plan on doing and when you think you will be back. As in "going to grab some take out from accross the street, will be back in 10. Anyone else hungry?" You can also ask someone who's leaving the line that: "May I ask where you are going and can I tag along?"
It's called social control and it will only work when it is enforced by everyone.
Thus far I think this was textbook "waiting in line for dummies".
Now let's add a "magic marker" and a "number notebook" to this and see where it all turns sour. :corn:
Well, it usually doesn't, unless you let it happen. When everyone focusses too much on "the numbers", but no one's paying attention to the people, that's when abuse occurs and people get mad.
That's why the "number notebook" can only be used as an auxiliary social control system, the actual social control is everyone's shared responsibility whilst waiting in line.
But I hear you, there's so much to do and so little time... whilst waiting in line all day
Hope to see you all in that line next week, we will have so much fun :twisted:
That being said, I'm ok with numbering myself like an animal, just don't expect me to turn into sheeple.
Love you, mean it.
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Who the hell even thinks of something like this? I guess next time I will just leave the bar at 3am and walk over to the show. Pull a notebook out and then sign it, drop it by the door, and come back at 8:15 and walk in like my shit doesn't stink. Unbelievable...what a slap in the face from fellow 10clubbers.
'10- MSG 1-2 '11- PJ20
'12- MIA; DeLuna '13- Wrigley; Pitt; Brooklyn 1-2; Philly 1-2; Baltimore; Seattle
'14- Denver '16- Philly 1-2; MSG 2
'17- Pilgrimage Music Fest (Eddie)
'18- Fenway
But there the system actually works. The secret is : roll calls at given hours when you line up in the number order and people running the list check that everyone is actually there.
Between those you are free to go wherever... but if you miss a roll call, your name and number is off the list. On show days, there might be 2 hour breaks, but from something like 1pm you are supposed to stay in line. Everybody knows the system and is somewhat ok with it.
This way it is not possible to show up in the morning, wander off for the rest of the day and come back and try to reclaim your spot. That seems really fucked up.