what you didn't know there are varing degrees of fan? obviously you are low on the scale for not knowing this
I don't know... 'big' could be taken in all sorts of ways.... is the 170kg fan a 'bigger' fan than the 75kg one? I would say yes....
See.. I like 'superfan'... that has a certain 'ring' to it.... 'super' like in superhero, etc... I like that better than 'bigger'.. that just seems well.. fat.
I don't mean bigger is better.. I mean someone who devoted more time to this board or spends more money going to more shows. PJ fanboys in other words I didn't mean to be a negative comment. I guess someone who has followed PJ through ticketmaster etc would be disappointed if this goes ahead.
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I don't mean bigger is better.. I mean someone who devoted more time to this board or spends more money going to more shows. PJ fanboys in other words I didn't mean to be a negative comment. I guess someone who has followed PJ through ticketmaster etc would be disappointed if this goes ahead.
I don't know. I've been a fan since the beginning, thought the TM battle was noble but knew it was unwinnable. I don't care if the sell the new disc through Target. I might be a tad put off if they used their music to sell other products at Target like "Evenflow" for the baby department ("Evenflow...milk arrives when baby cries..."), but using a big retailer to help market and distribute their music doesn't bother me.
Its similar to the U2 ipod thing in 2004, people called them sellouts, never checking facts that they didn't take any money for the ads and merely were promoting their catalog with it. Not much different than a billboard for a new album or a late night TV commercial (which we've all seen for PJ), just trying to get the product known by those who don't spend their free time on this website.
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I don't mean bigger is better.. I mean someone who devoted more time to this board or spends more money going to more shows. PJ fanboys in other words I didn't mean to be a negative comment. I guess someone who has followed PJ through ticketmaster etc would be disappointed if this goes ahead.
I don't know. I've been a fan since the beginning, thought the TM battle was noble but knew it was unwinnable. I don't care if the sell the new disc through Target. I might be a tad put off if they used their music to sell other products at Target like "Evenflow" for the baby department ("Evenflow...milk arrives when baby cries..."), but using a big retailer to help market and distribute their music doesn't bother me.
Its similar to the U2 ipod thing in 2004, people called them sellouts, never checking facts that they didn't take any money for the ads and merely were promoting their catalog with it. Not much different than a billboard for a new album or a late night TV commercial (which we've all seen for PJ), just trying to get the product known by those who don't spend their free time on this website.
Do you recall how Pearl Jam were savaged by their fans for the Ticketmaster fight when they tried to do a tour without TM? People complained and complained they couldn't get tickets or the venues were bad or, or or... It was brutal. I sometimes wonder how many people, if any, remember that?
Do you recall how Pearl Jam were savaged by their fans for the Ticketmaster fight when they tried to do a tour without TM? People complained and complained they couldn't get tickets or the venues were bad or, or or... It was brutal. I sometimes wonder how many people, if any, remember that?
That's all...it was just on my mind today.
I thought the system worked ok actually. I think PJ got royally screwed by their friends in other major bands who refused to join them. From what I remember my friends and I were glad they were taking on that issue and the Randall's Island venue I saw them in was good (though would now be a safety issue since Roskilde). I think about the TM/Congress/PJ thing very frequently.
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*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
I don't mean bigger is better.. I mean someone who devoted more time to this board or spends more money going to more shows. PJ fanboys in other words I didn't mean to be a negative comment. I guess someone who has followed PJ through ticketmaster etc would be disappointed if this goes ahead.
I don't know. I've been a fan since the beginning, thought the TM battle was noble but knew it was unwinnable. I don't care if the sell the new disc through Target. I might be a tad put off if they used their music to sell other products at Target like "Evenflow" for the baby department ("Evenflow...milk arrives when baby cries..."), but using a big retailer to help market and distribute their music doesn't bother me.
Its similar to the U2 ipod thing in 2004, people called them sellouts, never checking facts that they didn't take any money for the ads and merely were promoting their catalog with it. Not much different than a billboard for a new album or a late night TV commercial (which we've all seen for PJ), just trying to get the product known by those who don't spend their free time on this website.
Do you recall how Pearl Jam were savaged by their fans for the Ticketmaster fight when they tried to do a tour without TM? People complained and complained they couldn't get tickets or the venues were bad or, or or... It was brutal. I sometimes wonder how many people, if any, remember that?
That's all...it was just on my mind today.
Kat... that's definitely a valid point. I'm sure the facts are on their way, so I hope this appearance is deceiving.
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I don't mean bigger is better.. I mean someone who devoted more time to this board or spends more money going to more shows. PJ fanboys in other words I didn't mean to be a negative comment. I guess someone who has followed PJ through ticketmaster etc would be disappointed if this goes ahead.
I don't know. I've been a fan since the beginning, thought the TM battle was noble but knew it was unwinnable. I don't care if the sell the new disc through Target. I might be a tad put off if they used their music to sell other products at Target like "Evenflow" for the baby department ("Evenflow...milk arrives when baby cries..."), but using a big retailer to help market and distribute their music doesn't bother me.
Its similar to the U2 ipod thing in 2004, people called them sellouts, never checking facts that they didn't take any money for the ads and merely were promoting their catalog with it. Not much different than a billboard for a new album or a late night TV commercial (which we've all seen for PJ), just trying to get the product known by those who don't spend their free time on this website.
Do you recall how Pearl Jam were savaged by their fans for the Ticketmaster fight when they tried to do a tour without TM? People complained and complained they couldn't get tickets or the venues were bad or, or or... It was brutal. I sometimes wonder how many people, if any, remember that?
That's all...it was just on my mind today.
Absoulutely, it was hard to find decent venues not under Ticketmaster's control, and of course fans then blamed the band cause they were'nt playing at the local place right in the heart of the city etc.
They were in a no win situation. (which may be the case now in terms of marketing/seliing new music.)
Do you recall how Pearl Jam were savaged by their fans for the Ticketmaster fight when they tried to do a tour without TM? People complained and complained they couldn't get tickets or the venues were bad or, or or... It was brutal. I sometimes wonder how many people, if any, remember that?
That's all...it was just on my mind today.
I remember the nightmare of calling for tickets during the No Code tour and then having to get seats through a scalper. I also knew a lot of people that were pissed they had to try and get tickets that way.
...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
I thought the system worked ok actually. I think PJ got royally screwed by their friends in other major bands who refused to join them. From what I remember my friends and I were glad they were taking on that issue and the Randall's Island venue I saw them in was good (though would now be a safety issue since Roskilde). I think about the TM/Congress/PJ thing very frequently.
Not for nothing, but Downing Stadium was a dump, and traffic was brutal getting out of there.
Great show by the band though.
Pearl Jam could release this album at "Jimmys Chicken and Rib Shack" and i would be first in line...
all you fuckers complaining, while maintaining a library of 10,000 songs shared on the internet for free are funny... maybe the band should just give you the album for free and tour for free... i mean, why do they need to make $ right? :roll:
I thought the system worked ok actually. I think PJ got royally screwed by their friends in other major bands who refused to join them. From what I remember my friends and I were glad they were taking on that issue and the Randall's Island venue I saw them in was good (though would now be a safety issue since Roskilde). I think about the TM/Congress/PJ thing very frequently.
Not for nothing, but Downing Stadium was a dump, and traffic was brutal getting out of there.
Great show by the band though.
Downing is indeed a dump. I've worked shows there. However, the experience was worth the lack of a traditional venue. PJ can play other "field shows" if they wanted to. It takes a bit of setup, but that is offset by the lack of traditional venue expenses to some degree. I think PJ took it as far as they could without substantial help from their musician friends.
ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
I don't mean bigger is better.. I mean someone who devoted more time to this board or spends more money going to more shows. PJ fanboys in other words I didn't mean to be a negative comment. I guess someone who has followed PJ through ticketmaster etc would be disappointed if this goes ahead.
Why are you disapointed?
Does possibly using Target to distribute their new album -since they are no longer under the Sony blanket- have anything to do with Ticketmaster?
If I remember correctly, Ticketmaster was ripping ticket buyers off and that is why Pearl Jam went up against them.
BP Amico was dumping crap in Lake Michigan and that is why they spoke out against them.
Were you angry all those years ago that Pearl Jam was essentially making records for SONY CORPORATION?
I don't mean bigger is better.. I mean someone who devoted more time to this board or spends more money going to more shows. PJ fanboys in other words I didn't mean to be a negative comment. I guess someone who has followed PJ through ticketmaster etc would be disappointed if this goes ahead.
I don't know. I've been a fan since the beginning, thought the TM battle was noble but knew it was unwinnable. I don't care if the sell the new disc through Target. I might be a tad put off if they used their music to sell other products at Target like "Evenflow" for the baby department ("Evenflow...milk arrives when baby cries..."), but using a big retailer to help market and distribute their music doesn't bother me.
Its similar to the U2 ipod thing in 2004, people called them sellouts, never checking facts that they didn't take any money for the ads and merely were promoting their catalog with it. Not much different than a billboard for a new album or a late night TV commercial (which we've all seen for PJ), just trying to get the product known by those who don't spend their free time on this website.
Do you recall how Pearl Jam were savaged by their fans for the Ticketmaster fight when they tried to do a tour without TM? People complained and complained they couldn't get tickets or the venues were bad or, or or... It was brutal. I sometimes wonder how many people, if any, remember that?
That's all...it was just on my mind today.
I hear ya, and understand the chaos from that time and their need to relent on the fight...My only question is if the band will soon be going against EVERYTHING they have stood for for the past 20 years...and here's hoping the answer is NO
I thought the system worked ok actually. I think PJ got royally screwed by their friends in other major bands who refused to join them. From what I remember my friends and I were glad they were taking on that issue and the Randall's Island venue I saw them in was good (though would now be a safety issue since Roskilde). I think about the TM/Congress/PJ thing very frequently.
Not for nothing, but Downing Stadium was a dump, and traffic was brutal getting out of there.
Great show by the band though.
I loved that show in the rain...I don't think I saw anyone leaving either.
I don't know. I've been a fan since the beginning, thought the TM battle was noble but knew it was unwinnable. I don't care if the sell the new disc through Target. I might be a tad put off if they used their music to sell other products at Target like "Evenflow" for the baby department ("Evenflow...milk arrives when baby cries..."), but using a big retailer to help market and distribute their music doesn't bother me.
Its similar to the U2 ipod thing in 2004, people called them sellouts, never checking facts that they didn't take any money for the ads and merely were promoting their catalog with it. Not much different than a billboard for a new album or a late night TV commercial (which we've all seen for PJ), just trying to get the product known by those who don't spend their free time on this website.
Do you recall how Pearl Jam were savaged by their fans for the Ticketmaster fight when they tried to do a tour without TM? People complained and complained they couldn't get tickets or the venues were bad or, or or... It was brutal. I sometimes wonder how many people, if any, remember that?
That's all...it was just on my mind today.
I never savaged them, but I never joined the fan club for a bunch of years later than I should have because of the fact there were no non-tm venues at the time in Philly. I figured if they weren't going to play here why should I join. And there are a lot of people in Philly who were like that which explains whenever you look at touring fans you see a ton of Philly people who joined around the time of the 98 and 2000 tours.
I hear ya, and understand the chaos from that time and their need to relent on the fight...My only question is if the band will soon be going against EVERYTHING they have stood for for the past 20 years...and here's hoping the answer is NO
What if they do have a 'deal' with Target? Before jumping to all these conclusions and putting the 'business' bit to the side at the moment, let's look at the choice of Target (compared to say, Walmart), how they stand amongst other corporations - ethically, philantrophically (is that even a word?), environmentally, charitably, etc.
Some of you may be very surprised at what you may 'discover'. There are worse corporations to make deals with. There is also a thread regarding the music industry (article written by Duff McKagan) which gives a bit of insight on how things work now.
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Do you just hate Target?
What about Sony?
'Bigger'????? What is a 'bigger' fan?
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what you didn't know there are varing degrees of fan? obviously you are low on the scale for not knowing this
Stupid. That's what it is.
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I don't know... 'big' could be taken in all sorts of ways.... is the 170kg fan a 'bigger' fan than the 75kg one? I would say yes....
See.. I like 'superfan'... that has a certain 'ring' to it.... 'super' like in superhero, etc... I like that better than 'bigger'.. that just seems well.. fat.
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You got your sections mixed up... that is in 'taller' fans.... but then again... that doesn't sound very good either.
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Its similar to the U2 ipod thing in 2004, people called them sellouts, never checking facts that they didn't take any money for the ads and merely were promoting their catalog with it. Not much different than a billboard for a new album or a late night TV commercial (which we've all seen for PJ), just trying to get the product known by those who don't spend their free time on this website.
Do you recall how Pearl Jam were savaged by their fans for the Ticketmaster fight when they tried to do a tour without TM? People complained and complained they couldn't get tickets or the venues were bad or, or or... It was brutal. I sometimes wonder how many people, if any, remember that?
That's all...it was just on my mind today.
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I thought the system worked ok actually. I think PJ got royally screwed by their friends in other major bands who refused to join them. From what I remember my friends and I were glad they were taking on that issue and the Randall's Island venue I saw them in was good (though would now be a safety issue since Roskilde). I think about the TM/Congress/PJ thing very frequently.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
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They were in a no win situation. (which may be the case now in terms of marketing/seliing new music.)
I remember the nightmare of calling for tickets during the No Code tour and then having to get seats through a scalper. I also knew a lot of people that were pissed they had to try and get tickets that way.
Great show by the band though.
all you fuckers complaining, while maintaining a library of 10,000 songs shared on the internet for free are funny... maybe the band should just give you the album for free and tour for free... i mean, why do they need to make $ right? :roll:
Downing is indeed a dump. I've worked shows there. However, the experience was worth the lack of a traditional venue. PJ can play other "field shows" if they wanted to. It takes a bit of setup, but that is offset by the lack of traditional venue expenses to some degree. I think PJ took it as far as they could without substantial help from their musician friends.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
Why are you disapointed?
Does possibly using Target to distribute their new album -since they are no longer under the Sony blanket- have anything to do with Ticketmaster?
If I remember correctly, Ticketmaster was ripping ticket buyers off and that is why Pearl Jam went up against them.
BP Amico was dumping crap in Lake Michigan and that is why they spoke out against them.
Were you angry all those years ago that Pearl Jam was essentially making records for SONY CORPORATION?
This doesn't change anything.
I hear ya, and understand the chaos from that time and their need to relent on the fight...My only question is if the band will soon be going against EVERYTHING they have stood for for the past 20 years...and here's hoping the answer is NO
I loved that show in the rain...I don't think I saw anyone leaving either.
I never savaged them, but I never joined the fan club for a bunch of years later than I should have because of the fact there were no non-tm venues at the time in Philly. I figured if they weren't going to play here why should I join. And there are a lot of people in Philly who were like that which explains whenever you look at touring fans you see a ton of Philly people who joined around the time of the 98 and 2000 tours.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
What if they do have a 'deal' with Target? Before jumping to all these conclusions and putting the 'business' bit to the side at the moment, let's look at the choice of Target (compared to say, Walmart), how they stand amongst other corporations - ethically, philantrophically (is that even a word?), environmentally, charitably, etc.
Some of you may be very surprised at what you may 'discover'. There are worse corporations to make deals with. There is also a thread regarding the music industry (article written by Duff McKagan) which gives a bit of insight on how things work now.