Been away for awhile, but what is this Showbox/Target talk?

Ledbetterdays

Have you not been angry before then? Past partnerships have included:

AOL
Verizon
AT&T
Ticketmaster

Do you just hate Target?

DewieCox

Ledbetterdays wrote:

Have you not been angry before then? Past partnerships have included:

AOL
Verizon
AT&T
Ticketmaster

Do you just hate Target?

What about Sony?

redrock

Zoso wrote:

I THINK I speak to most 'bigger' PJ fans ...

'Bigger'????? What is a 'bigger' fan?

norm

ledvedderman wrote:

ponner1us wrote:

I agree, fan since '92(since seeing them at Lollapalooza) and going on 15+ shows.

Well, that makes you a "Super Fan" and entitled to dictate how the band handles their operations and business.

ponner1us

Censored for having an opinion, NICE! :( :?:

norm

redrock wrote:

Zoso wrote:

I THINK I speak to most 'bigger' PJ fans ...

'Bigger'????? What is a 'bigger' fan?

what you didn't know there are varing degrees of fan? obviously you are low on the scale for not knowing this

ledvedderman

Original Poster wrote:

Been away for awhile, but what is this Showbox/Target talk?

Stupid. That's what it is.

redrock

norm wrote:

redrock wrote:

Zoso wrote:

I THINK I speak to most 'bigger' PJ fans ...

'Bigger'????? What is a 'bigger' fan?

what you didn't know there are varing degrees of fan? obviously you are low on the scale for not knowing this

I don't know... 'big' could be taken in all sorts of ways.... is the 170kg fan a 'bigger' fan than the 75kg one? I would say yes....

See.. I like 'superfan'... that has a certain 'ring' to it.... 'super' like in superhero, etc... I like that better than 'bigger'.. that just seems well.. fat.

Ledbetterdays

ledvedderman wrote:

Original Poster wrote:

Been away for awhile, but what is this Showbox/Target talk?

Stupid. That's what it is.

+1

Poncier

redrock wrote:

Zoso wrote:

I THINK I speak to most 'bigger' PJ fans ...

'Bigger'????? What is a 'bigger' fan?

I think its over 5'8" for females and over 6'2" for males if I recall that section of the PJ fan handbook corrctly.

redrock

Poncier wrote:

redrock wrote:

Zoso wrote:

I THINK I speak to most 'bigger' PJ fans ...

'Bigger'????? What is a 'bigger' fan?

I think its over 5'8" for females and over 6'2" for males if I recall that section of the PJ fan handbook corrctly.

You got your sections mixed up... that is in 'taller' fans.... but then again... that doesn't sound very good either.

idratherbe

redrock wrote:

norm wrote:

redrock wrote:

'Bigger'????? What is a 'bigger' fan?

what you didn't know there are varing degrees of fan? obviously you are low on the scale for not knowing this

I don't know... 'big' could be taken in all sorts of ways.... is the 170kg fan a 'bigger' fan than the 75kg one? I would say yes....

More to love!!!

~peace~

Poncier

redrock wrote:

You got your sections mixed up... that is in 'taller' fans.... but then again... that doesn't sound very good either.

Yeah maybe, that damned handbook is harder to follow than the Book of Vitalogy.

Zoso

I don't mean bigger is better.. I mean someone who devoted more time to this board or spends more money going to more shows. PJ fanboys in other words I didn't mean to be a negative comment. I guess someone who has followed PJ through ticketmaster etc would be disappointed if this goes ahead.

ponner1us

I think I'm bigger, 6'2", and yes, I am super.

Can't we all just get along?

Poncier

Zoso wrote:

I don't mean bigger is better.. I mean someone who devoted more time to this board or spends more money going to more shows. PJ fanboys in other words I didn't mean to be a negative comment. I guess someone who has followed PJ through ticketmaster etc would be disappointed if this goes ahead.

I don't know. I've been a fan since the beginning, thought the TM battle was noble but knew it was unwinnable. I don't care if the sell the new disc through Target. I might be a tad put off if they used their music to sell other products at Target like "Evenflow" for the baby department ("Evenflow...milk arrives when baby cries..."), but using a big retailer to help market and distribute their music doesn't bother me.
Its similar to the U2 ipod thing in 2004, people called them sellouts, never checking facts that they didn't take any money for the ads and merely were promoting their catalog with it. Not much different than a billboard for a new album or a late night TV commercial (which we've all seen for PJ), just trying to get the product known by those who don't spend their free time on this website.

Kat

Poncier wrote:

Zoso wrote:

I don't mean bigger is better.. I mean someone who devoted more time to this board or spends more money going to more shows. PJ fanboys in other words I didn't mean to be a negative comment. I guess someone who has followed PJ through ticketmaster etc would be disappointed if this goes ahead.

I don't know. I've been a fan since the beginning, thought the TM battle was noble but knew it was unwinnable. I don't care if the sell the new disc through Target. I might be a tad put off if they used their music to sell other products at Target like "Evenflow" for the baby department ("Evenflow...milk arrives when baby cries..."), but using a big retailer to help market and distribute their music doesn't bother me.
Its similar to the U2 ipod thing in 2004, people called them sellouts, never checking facts that they didn't take any money for the ads and merely were promoting their catalog with it. Not much different than a billboard for a new album or a late night TV commercial (which we've all seen for PJ), just trying to get the product known by those who don't spend their free time on this website.

Do you recall how Pearl Jam were savaged by their fans for the Ticketmaster fight when they tried to do a tour without TM? People complained and complained they couldn't get tickets or the venues were bad or, or or... It was brutal. I sometimes wonder how many people, if any, remember that?

That's all...it was just on my mind today.

ponner1us

I remember, and I supported them in their fight. Rock on!

CJMST3K

Kat wrote:

Do you recall how Pearl Jam were savaged by their fans for the Ticketmaster fight when they tried to do a tour without TM? People complained and complained they couldn't get tickets or the venues were bad or, or or... It was brutal. I sometimes wonder how many people, if any, remember that?

That's all...it was just on my mind today.

I thought the system worked ok actually. I think PJ got royally screwed by their friends in other major bands who refused to join them. From what I remember my friends and I were glad they were taking on that issue and the Randall's Island venue I saw them in was good (though would now be a safety issue since Roskilde). I think about the TM/Congress/PJ thing very frequently.

benjs

Kat wrote:

Poncier wrote:

Zoso wrote:

I don't mean bigger is better.. I mean someone who devoted more time to this board or spends more money going to more shows. PJ fanboys in other words I didn't mean to be a negative comment. I guess someone who has followed PJ through ticketmaster etc would be disappointed if this goes ahead.

I don't know. I've been a fan since the beginning, thought the TM battle was noble but knew it was unwinnable. I don't care if the sell the new disc through Target. I might be a tad put off if they used their music to sell other products at Target like "Evenflow" for the baby department ("Evenflow...milk arrives when baby cries..."), but using a big retailer to help market and distribute their music doesn't bother me.
Its similar to the U2 ipod thing in 2004, people called them sellouts, never checking facts that they didn't take any money for the ads and merely were promoting their catalog with it. Not much different than a billboard for a new album or a late night TV commercial (which we've all seen for PJ), just trying to get the product known by those who don't spend their free time on this website.

Do you recall how Pearl Jam were savaged by their fans for the Ticketmaster fight when they tried to do a tour without TM? People complained and complained they couldn't get tickets or the venues were bad or, or or... It was brutal. I sometimes wonder how many people, if any, remember that?

That's all...it was just on my mind today.

Kat... that's definitely a valid point. I'm sure the facts are on their way, so I hope this appearance is deceiving.