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why doesn't pj just seat general admission floor?
I'm not complaining here i just don't understand the logic behind this. The real crazy fans could show up way early and get close to the band and you all here wouldn't complain about seniority or whatever. GA just makes a lot more sense to me
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I'm happy that there are no pits. I don't think they could keep them 10c exclusive and that would mean alot of people just showing up for a good time amongst people that really wanna focus on the show.
I'm not an elitist or anything, but I think the seats at supply a barrier between everybody. Even with those there are tons of crappy things that happen to people.
I like GA and I like pits (though sometimes I do choose seating). If my memory serves me right, last time they played Wembley, the pit was 10C and it was fantastic!
As well as the tragedies that have happened, and I'm sure the liability (and insurance) ... one thing people need to remember, the majority of the Pearl Jam fan base is in their 30s, probably upper 30s and beyond ... and, well ... they just don't want to deal with that shit anymore.
I was at the shows in San Francisco in 2006 which were G.A. ... I loved the fact hat I got nice and close, about 8-10 rows from the stage, that was great, closest I've been since '94 .... and while the majority of the crowd was incredibly cool, there were a bunch of idiots that have to ruin it ... plowing in from the back well after the show starts (oh, the entitlement), elbowing their way up front, not taking one second to consider that they are being absolute pricks to fellow fans (I even saw some 6'+ guy push over an under 5'4" girl and not even care to see if she was ok), notably the ones up in the very front getting crushed. Several times, Ed had to tell the crowd to take care of one another, "or else" (the "or else" was, they'd play a bunch of slow songs).
... and this is San Francisco ... I can't imagine what the scene would be like back east.
I can deal with GA, and probably prefer it. But many folks cannot and that's who Pearl Jam is playing for, and I'm cool with that ... even if it means I have to sit further away.
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General admission at an arena doesnt in my opinion create a dangerous situation at all. Provided the crowd have a brain, and I personally think the Pearl jam crowds do. Sure there was ahorrible tradegy at the festival, one that will never be forgotten, but the circumstances of that were not consistant with that of an indoor arena.
Anyone who has seen PJ in Europe over the last 5 years or so, will certainly realise that the band loves the energy of the crowd in the GA atmosphere....for anyone with any doubts check out the IIC dvd, those Italian fans made that dvd that bit extra special as the crowd clearly lifted the band, the band lifted the crowd, the enregy was intense, creating spectacular shows, now go away and compare that with the touring band DVD. Which I'm sorry is very lifeless, and the crowds are nothing short of dull, and that was all seated.
then again I'm not entirely sure I understand the original post. The GA does away with seniorioty making the whole issue a non point anyway, the crazy fans do turn up early and do get to the front, so why the need for seats?
Wow... what a generalisation!
I guess this whole GA + pit thing is not an issue in Europe (even if one is 'beyond' in age!) as most shows are like that, though one still has the option of reserved seating. Best of both worlds? Seems it is mainly Americans that do not like GA... maybe just what one is used to. Of course there are shitheads everywhere but again, lets not generalise - PJ pits are never really rough.
Note - I am PRO - GA ... but, many of the folks I talk to are not.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I never understood 1 thing: how people at a pearl jam show could stand in front of their seats, bobbing their heads, and with gently bent knees, wavering their bodies to porch...I have to wonder if they have a pulse, but whatever, just don't put seats down for them anywhere near the stage...
Hehe, I don't think so... definitely not in Europe anyway!
Ever since I started going to shows, it's been GA. You find a way thats comfy for you. Not all GA shows are mosh pits all over the floor - you'll find that in the first 10-20 rows, behind that are all the people standing, rockin' out, hair flyin', singin' along with everyone beside you... If you don't like getting pushed and shoved, stand at the back of the crowd with the other peeps, or buy a seating ticket for the side. Leave us to do our dancing in peace
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again i use Touring band as the benchmark on this
how about you switch that up? if you want to slam into each other and not really watch the band, let's have a specially roped off section for you at the back of the floor behind the soundboard, so people who want to enjoy the show without personal injury can see the band close up...
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Now that is something I've said for years. Personally, I hate GA... I like being as close as I can but I don't like the fact that I get slammed, jostled and hurt (and I've been injured in pits before). I fell in PJ's Canberra show in '95 and it was terrifying. I'm a tall girl 5'11, but I just went down (cause the mosh was swaying) and someone was standing on my chest... thankfully a guy saw me going down and grabbed my arm and held on to me and a bunch of people helped me get up. I was shaking for hours. I also sustained injuries being against the stage at a Chili Peppers concert in '92 and getting body slammed against the stage and having people stage dive onto my head (and that was just in the opening acts, I got pulled out before the Chilis even hit the stage). I appreciate alot of people like it, but I like to be up close with my own personal space.
but the recent shows have been nothing like that, take the 10c floor at wembley and the leeds and reading festival appearances, very comfortable crowds, but energetic still....Just because its GA doesnt automatically make it a RATM crowd
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I like knowing that I can sit down if I get to wound up. I like having a 2' x'2 spot in which I can call my own for the evening. I like not being kicked in the head anymore. I like not getting chipped teeth anymore. I like not having to wear boots to a show anymore.
Also, try bringing a 10 year old to a GA show. Its frightening.
I hate people who just stand and head bob for the whole show too, but I have never had a problem dancing in my seat area. It just keeps me from going crazy and hurting someone.
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This is a matter of perspective and no one is right or wrong. Historically however rock bands in Europe have attracted a certain crowd, and the pit atmosphere, its part and parcel of the experience now, and its a shame this doesnt fit all who attend. But people cant have it both ways, I'm sure there would be far more people opposed to seating on the floor and far more people who would be gutted if the seats appeared in Europe.
Its fair to say you are in the minority but I do not feel that you are wrong in your views, simply that there is no easy answer, I mean could you imagine sitting down for a RATM show?? of course we are talking PJ here but the logic still applies.
Many fans enjoy the pit energy, its just a shame that there is always the idiot who thinks its acceptable to enter a pit with a pint of beer, or to go crowd surfing and boot you in the chops, or to throw his arms and elbows up like a twat. 99% of the crowds I go into though are very respectful of their neighbours down the front and look to look after each other, and have a great safe time. I've been in both types of crowd, and I definitely feel that GA crowds are far more fun to be in despite the minority that can spoil it.
For the record I have also been injured in GA shows (had my nose bust by a rogue crowd surfer at a Green day show in 1994)
The pit ain't all that bad! There's one or two idiots there, but sure you get them in every crowd, seated or standing. If the idiots annoy you, you can just move - simple as. If I get a crowd-surfer kicking my head, they get a punch in the balls :evil: I've never been injured badly - just a few bruises from goin' a bit too hardcore to Audioslave back when they started out :roll:
I did enjoy having my own space when I went to MSG last year too. It was a different experience for me. I'm sure as I clock on a few years I'll prefer it, cos I can be quite a moan when I'm standing all day.
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I personally have never seen people sitting down at a Pearl Jam show. Maybe up in the rafters, but that's irrelevant to the pit anyway.
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plus there are too many inconsiderate and disrespectful people that show up at the last minute and try push there way to the front
ga sucks and is dangerous with large crowds.
Throw in a couple of GA's here or there, keep things interesting. Let passion reign for a night, instead of entitlement. My number is 134xxx so that has nothing to do with my comments.
If the band read this and knew you were actually eating while they're playing they would cry and wonder what they're doing wrong....that's a funny visual, a guy standing in front of his seat eating a sausage, bobbing his head up and down while aging ed is jumping around onstage during Go....oh man
exactly, looks like someone thinks they are off to see a shit film.....
Personally when i go see a band, I go see a band, getting a pint during the show is the last thing on my mind, christ i might miss a song....there will be people calling for an interval and a curtain down moment before long....so they can get a bovril
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Great idea......go dance where your not distracting everyone like teenages......I came to watch the band and enjoy the music...not watch people do their dancing.[/quote]
think you've just missed the point here, I'm not sure that anyone was suggesting we 'watch people do their dancing'...that would be really dumb when PJ are on the stage wouldnt it?
im america, ga means mosh pit. even for guys pushing 40 who want to relive thier glory days.