Democratic socialist writer levels with voters: We want to ‘end capitalism’

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  • Gtilley8Gtilley8 DetroitPosts: 971
    Gtilley8 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    MSNBC, FOX, Breitbart, won't be credited news sources on here.



    In what way does MSNBC play fast and loose with facts to the extent to be lumped together with flat out reality-denyers?
    I stopped watching MSNBC because it was so far left leaning. They are a partisan news channel, no?

    Well, no. That would mean they literally have aligned themselves with a political party, which isn't the case.
    Huh?

    I don't recall ever hearing them side with a conservative or a conservative view yet.  Maybe I missed the one time that they did agree on one?
    One doesn't have to side with a conservative view to be presenting unbiased facts.  I'm interested to know what you consider to be a solid conservative view (ie, major platform talking point), which we could all agree on.  
    Immigration reform?

    That seems to be one that both sides want but can't seem to agree on.
    I'd agree with you, in principal, but it's not really the case.  The problem is, Republicans want to be able to import partially skilled people that will work for significantly less, or people with zero skills that will work in the service industry for nothing.  Democrats think that we should honor political asylum, and the laws that were on the books for the last 120 years, sans the last 2.  The nuts and bolts of each can be debated all day.  So saying that's a topic both sides agree on isn't really true.  The two sides are pretty much diametrically opposed.  
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,470
    mcgruff10 said:
    msnbc vs fox:
    https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/12/is-msnbc-worse-than-fox-news-179175

    Is MSNBC worse than Fox News?

    By DYLAN BYERS

     12/09/2013 12:34 PM EST

    This is the quickest way to turn a pleasant dinner party into a shouting match: Posit that MSNBC is not as bad as Fox News, but rather worse than Fox News.

    "How can you say that!? Fox News is practically an arm of the Republican party! Biased as MSNBC may be, it doesn't try to take an active role in presidential elections! It doesn't live in a choose-your-own-reality cocoon where the facts don't matter!"

    The effort to defend MSNBC against comparisons to Fox News is always telling, because there was a time before MSNBC when liberals recoiled at the notion of agenda-driven programming in general. The acceptance of MSNBC was, like the acceptance of Super PACs, an acknowledgement that the rules on the ground had changed.

    "I know it's biased, but how else to combat the misinformation on Fox!"... which is funny, because that's how Fox News started, as a counterbalance against perceived liberal biases in the mainstream media.

    But here's the thing, and I hope it doesn't ruin your dinner: MSNBC is certainly as bad as Fox News, in terms of presenting ideologically biased information and demonizing the opposition. If you want to console yourself with the fact that Phil Griffin never tried to get someone to run for president, fine, you can have it.


    In March, a Pew Research Center study -- yes, Pew -- found that 85 percent of MSNBC's programming is dedicated to "opinion," versus 15 percent that is dedicated to "news." Fox News dedicated just 55 percent of its programming to "opinion" and 45 percent to "news." (CNN dedicates 46 percent to "opinion" and 54 percent to "news.") During the 2012 election, the ratio of unfavorable to favorable treatment in stories on Barack Obama and Mitt Romney on MSNBC “was roughly 23-to-1; the negative-to-positive ratio on Fox News was 8-to-1.”

    Ok, fine. But MSNBC's opinions are rooted in fact, whereas the Bill O'Reillys and Sean Hannitys willingly peddle misinformation!

    But see, that's the thing. Many of MSNBC's opinions aren't rooted in fact. Many of them are rooted in unfounded speculation. Melissa Harris-Perry's recent claimthat Obamacare is a racially loaded term conceived of "by a group of wealthy white men who needed a way to put themselves above and apart from a black man" is based on... what? The fact that the term was first used by a woman? The fact that, from Reaganomics to Hillarycare, we've always ascribed names to signature policies and legislation?

    And that's just the tip of the iceberg. In a new essay for The National Review, Charles C. W. Cooke explains how MSNBC routinely demonizes the opposition to the point of absurdity:


    For a display in extreme verbal calisthenics, ask an MSNBC type to defend these remarks. What you will witness is a slow crumbling of intellectual integrity, a defense that would never be offered on behalf of someone from the other side who practiced a similar flawed logic.

    (WATCH - On Media: MSNBC leans backwards)

    And that's the other thing: By now, an MSNBC defender reading this piece surely assumes I'm a pro-Fox News conservative. Because if you actually see America as America I and America II -- if you actually believe that every action taken against Obama's policies is inherently racist -- then you probably believe that I'm part of America II. Because, despite what Obama said in Boston in 2004, there are only two Americas: there's us and there's them, which leaves little room for independents.

    One of the great media stories of the 21st century is the rise of MSNBC as a counterbalance to Fox News and a powerful platform for the progressive agenda -- an evolution that has done many great things for the Democratic party. The lesser told story is how the network, in a bid for ratings, repeatedly tempts its base away from the thing they had always prided themselves on when looking across the chasm at the conservative echo-chamber: facts.


    Quoting fucked up on my last attempt. 

    That article is 2013. Come on, things  have changed a bit with Fox since then. 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 14,260
    mcgruff10 said:
    msnbc vs fox:
    https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/12/is-msnbc-worse-than-fox-news-179175

    Is MSNBC worse than Fox News?

    By DYLAN BYERS

     12/09/2013 12:34 PM EST

    This is the quickest way to turn a pleasant dinner party into a shouting match: Posit that MSNBC is not as bad as Fox News, but rather worse than Fox News.

    "How can you say that!? Fox News is practically an arm of the Republican party! Biased as MSNBC may be, it doesn't try to take an active role in presidential elections! It doesn't live in a choose-your-own-reality cocoon where the facts don't matter!"

    The effort to defend MSNBC against comparisons to Fox News is always telling, because there was a time before MSNBC when liberals recoiled at the notion of agenda-driven programming in general. The acceptance of MSNBC was, like the acceptance of Super PACs, an acknowledgement that the rules on the ground had changed.

    "I know it's biased, but how else to combat the misinformation on Fox!"... which is funny, because that's how Fox News started, as a counterbalance against perceived liberal biases in the mainstream media.

    But here's the thing, and I hope it doesn't ruin your dinner: MSNBC is certainly as bad as Fox News, in terms of presenting ideologically biased information and demonizing the opposition. If you want to console yourself with the fact that Phil Griffin never tried to get someone to run for president, fine, you can have it.


    In March, a Pew Research Center study -- yes, Pew -- found that 85 percent of MSNBC's programming is dedicated to "opinion," versus 15 percent that is dedicated to "news." Fox News dedicated just 55 percent of its programming to "opinion" and 45 percent to "news." (CNN dedicates 46 percent to "opinion" and 54 percent to "news.") During the 2012 election, the ratio of unfavorable to favorable treatment in stories on Barack Obama and Mitt Romney on MSNBC “was roughly 23-to-1; the negative-to-positive ratio on Fox News was 8-to-1.”

    Ok, fine. But MSNBC's opinions are rooted in fact, whereas the Bill O'Reillys and Sean Hannitys willingly peddle misinformation!

    But see, that's the thing. Many of MSNBC's opinions aren't rooted in fact. Many of them are rooted in unfounded speculation. Melissa Harris-Perry's recent claimthat Obamacare is a racially loaded term conceived of "by a group of wealthy white men who needed a way to put themselves above and apart from a black man" is based on... what? The fact that the term was first used by a woman? The fact that, from Reaganomics to Hillarycare, we've always ascribed names to signature policies and legislation?

    And that's just the tip of the iceberg. In a new essay for The National Review, Charles C. W. Cooke explains how MSNBC routinely demonizes the opposition to the point of absurdity:


    For a display in extreme verbal calisthenics, ask an MSNBC type to defend these remarks. What you will witness is a slow crumbling of intellectual integrity, a defense that would never be offered on behalf of someone from the other side who practiced a similar flawed logic.

    (WATCH - On Media: MSNBC leans backwards)

    And that's the other thing: By now, an MSNBC defender reading this piece surely assumes I'm a pro-Fox News conservative. Because if you actually see America as America I and America II -- if you actually believe that every action taken against Obama's policies is inherently racist -- then you probably believe that I'm part of America II. Because, despite what Obama said in Boston in 2004, there are only two Americas: there's us and there's them, which leaves little room for independents.

    One of the great media stories of the 21st century is the rise of MSNBC as a counterbalance to Fox News and a powerful platform for the progressive agenda -- an evolution that has done many great things for the Democratic party. The lesser told story is how the network, in a bid for ratings, repeatedly tempts its base away from the thing they had always prided themselves on when looking across the chasm at the conservative echo-chamber: facts.


    Quoting fucked up on my last attempt. 

    That article is 2013. Come on, things  have changed a bit with Fox since then. 
    I actually thought the FOX numbers are low.

    Interesting article though.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,173
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,985
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 10,157
    Kat said:
    MSNBC has so many Republicans giving their cultish opinions that I almost stopped watching. Then a lot of Republicans started seeing truth and they weren't cultists. There's still a lot of GOP but I see reasonable punditry and discussion. I like that there are a lot of legal people and national security people giving opinions too....and Rachel really educates. imho. 

    Rachel paints a picture that’s for sure. A 1-sided picture. Sometimes she’s spot on and others she is massaging the data and facts to fit her agenda. 

    Its not the systematic deception that Fox does. It’s not outright lies like Fox...but it’s certainly more than just educating. It’s an attempt to influence.
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    And she did a fantastic job about Flint's water crisis. Love her for that. She has a team that researches for her I'm sure. If she gives one side of a picture, she still has panels to discuss and explain and she always asks if she explained it correctly. Props for that too. :)
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,173
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
    Everyone in the world knows that fox news is biased but I wondered about MSNBC.  I didn't know much about it, I watch CNN and read the New York Times along with Yahoo news.  So I wanted to do some research to see what msnbc is all about; turns out they aren't that different than fox.  It went back to everyone making fun of op because it was a fox newspiece.

    So from the article I just posted on msnbc I guess the most pressing matter in the world for them is a Presidential affair (which I could care less about).  
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    "The rise of “democratic socialism” has been one of the key developments in the Democratic Party in recent years, first with the popularity of Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and more recently Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s primary win over party mainstay Rep. Joe Crowley in New York. 

    One of the ways the movement is presented is with the claim that this is not your grandfather’s socialism -- or the socialism of the former Soviet Union, Venezuela or other failed states. It’s more “Scandinavian health care” than overthrowing the bourgeoisie.

    But now a democratic socialist writer is leveling with voters, telling them that actually, yes, they want to topple capitalism. 

    "I’m a staff writer at the socialist magazine Jacobin and a member of [the Democratic Socialists of America], and here’s the truth: In the long run, democratic socialists want to end capitalism. "



    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/02/democratic-socialist-writer-levels-with-voters-want-to-end-capitalism.html
    So what? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,985
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
    Everyone in the world knows that fox news is biased but I wondered about MSNBC.  I didn't know much about it, I watch CNN and read the New York Times along with Yahoo news.  So I wanted to do some research to see what msnbc is all about; turns out they aren't that different than fox.  It went back to everyone making fun of op because it was a fox newspiece.

    So from the article I just posted on msnbc I guess the most pressing matter in the world for them is a Presidential affair (which I could care less about).  
    And because Faux covered it once they’re so much better? MSNBC doesn’t make up facts to suit their agenda. Report in a way that influences? Sure. But just make shit up? C’mon. And what is MSNBC’s Nielsen ratings versus Faux’s?
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,239
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
    Everyone in the world knows that fox news is biased but I wondered about MSNBC.  I didn't know much about it, I watch CNN and read the New York Times along with Yahoo news.  So I wanted to do some research to see what msnbc is all about; turns out they aren't that different than fox.  It went back to everyone making fun of op because it was a fox newspiece.

    So from the article I just posted on msnbc I guess the most pressing matter in the world for them is a Presidential affair (which I could care less about).  
    Turn on Hannity tonight and get back to me

    The best daily political discussion show is Morning Joe on MSNBC, hosted by a former Republican Congressman who still identifies as a conservative and preaches those values... a real conservative with a foundation of principals he believes in, not the new maga morons that dont know shit... show me anything similar on fox and I'll give you $20
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    Lol, omg, right, Hannity. He and that relationship between him and Trump is some scary shit - it really doesn't get the kind of attention it deserves. Fox is state run media at this point, essentially, and considering that it and the POTUS just spew straight up lies constantly - literally - everyone should be very, very, very worried.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,034
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
    Everyone in the world knows that fox news is biased but I wondered about MSNBC.  I didn't know much about it, I watch CNN and read the New York Times along with Yahoo news.  So I wanted to do some research to see what msnbc is all about; turns out they aren't that different than fox.  It went back to everyone making fun of op because it was a fox newspiece.

    So from the article I just posted on msnbc I guess the most pressing matter in the world for them is a Presidential affair (which I could care less about).  
    I don't think that's true at all. Anecdotally, l've seen people refer to it as the one channel willing to tell the truth, dating back to the Clinton News Network (CNN).
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,173
    OnWis97 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
    Everyone in the world knows that fox news is biased but I wondered about MSNBC.  I didn't know much about it, I watch CNN and read the New York Times along with Yahoo news.  So I wanted to do some research to see what msnbc is all about; turns out they aren't that different than fox.  It went back to everyone making fun of op because it was a fox newspiece.

    So from the article I just posted on msnbc I guess the most pressing matter in the world for them is a Presidential affair (which I could care less about).  
    I don't think that's true at all. Anecdotally, l've seen people refer to it as the one channel willing to tell the truth, dating back to the Clinton News Network (CNN).
    Fair enough.  It all depend on whether you are on the left Or right.  I was specifically talking about this forum, sorry for not being more clear. 

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    edited August 2
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
    Everyone in the world knows that fox news is biased but I wondered about MSNBC.  I didn't know much about it, I watch CNN and read the New York Times along with Yahoo news.  So I wanted to do some research to see what msnbc is all about; turns out they aren't that different than fox.  It went back to everyone making fun of op because it was a fox newspiece.

    So from the article I just posted on msnbc I guess the most pressing matter in the world for them is a Presidential affair (which I could care less about).  
    I don't think that's true at all. Anecdotally, l've seen people refer to it as the one channel willing to tell the truth, dating back to the Clinton News Network (CNN).
    Fair enough.  It all depend on whether you are on the left Or right.  I was specifically talking about this forum, sorry for not being more clear. 

    Are all right wingers fine with Fox News?? Honest question. I guess I just took it for granted that there would be plenty of right wingers who can still acknowledge how depraved Fox News really has become. Was I being naive??
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,173
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
    Everyone in the world knows that fox news is biased but I wondered about MSNBC.  I didn't know much about it, I watch CNN and read the New York Times along with Yahoo news.  So I wanted to do some research to see what msnbc is all about; turns out they aren't that different than fox.  It went back to everyone making fun of op because it was a fox newspiece.

    So from the article I just posted on msnbc I guess the most pressing matter in the world for them is a Presidential affair (which I could care less about).  
    Turn on Hannity tonight and get back to me

    The best daily political discussion show is Morning Joe on MSNBC, hosted by a former Republican Congressman who still identifies as a conservative and preaches those values... a real conservative with a foundation of principals he believes in, not the new maga morons that dont know shit... show me anything similar on fox and I'll give you $20
    Hannity is a piece of shit, I hate the guy. 
    I ll check out the morning joe tomorrow and get back to you. 

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,239
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
    Everyone in the world knows that fox news is biased but I wondered about MSNBC.  I didn't know much about it, I watch CNN and read the New York Times along with Yahoo news.  So I wanted to do some research to see what msnbc is all about; turns out they aren't that different than fox.  It went back to everyone making fun of op because it was a fox newspiece.

    So from the article I just posted on msnbc I guess the most pressing matter in the world for them is a Presidential affair (which I could care less about).  
    Turn on Hannity tonight and get back to me

    The best daily political discussion show is Morning Joe on MSNBC, hosted by a former Republican Congressman who still identifies as a conservative and preaches those values... a real conservative with a foundation of principals he believes in, not the new maga morons that dont know shit... show me anything similar on fox and I'll give you $20
    Hannity is a piece of shit, I hate the guy. 
    I ll check out the morning joe tomorrow and get back to you. 

    6-9am Mon-Fri... highest rated show on their network, hosted by a conservative 

    You will hear Trump totally blows, because that is the absolute truth, that doesn't make it biased 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,173
    edited August 2
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
    Everyone in the world knows that fox news is biased but I wondered about MSNBC.  I didn't know much about it, I watch CNN and read the New York Times along with Yahoo news.  So I wanted to do some research to see what msnbc is all about; turns out they aren't that different than fox.  It went back to everyone making fun of op because it was a fox newspiece.

    So from the article I just posted on msnbc I guess the most pressing matter in the world for them is a Presidential affair (which I could care less about).  
    And because Faux covered it once they’re so much better? MSNBC doesn’t make up facts to suit their agenda. Report in a way that influences? Sure. But just make shit up? C’mon. And what is MSNBC’s Nielsen ratings versus Faux’s?
    Nielsen ratings:

    Fox destroys all bud.

    Has fox actually made up facts? check that, found this (so they definitely do)

    https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/03/media/fox-news-trump-obama-iran-deal/index.html

    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,173
    This is from may:

    Fox News Steamrolls Cable News Competition With Big Win In May Ratings

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2018/05/30/fox-news-steamrolls-cable-news-competition-with-big-win-in-may-ratings/#eebf64d3c74a

    What happened to the rise of MSNBC? After showing historic growth--and a few months in 2017 when Rachel Maddow took the title of most-watched host in all of cable news, beating Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity--the just-released results of the May ratings period look very familiar: Fox News won--everything.

    In ratings data released Wednesday by Nielsen Media Research, FNC extended its run of consecutive months at number one to a staggering 197, while building hitting another impressive milestone: Fox News Channel has now beaten every other network in basic cable for 23 months straight, based on total day ratings, with an average total day audience in May of 1.4 million viewers.

    In prime time, Fox News destroyed its competition, with an average total audience of 2.381 million viewers, compared to MSNBC's 1.384 million and CNN's 835,000. Among viewers 25-54, the group most coveted by advertisers, FNC shook off a challenge in recent months from MSNBC to claim a clear victory: 461,000 viewers, well ahead of MSNBC (329,000) and CNN (265,000).

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 8,840
    edited August 2
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
    Everyone in the world knows that fox news is biased but I wondered about MSNBC.  I didn't know much about it, I watch CNN and read the New York Times along with Yahoo news.  So I wanted to do some research to see what msnbc is all about; turns out they aren't that different than fox.  It went back to everyone making fun of op because it was a fox newspiece.

    So from the article I just posted on msnbc I guess the most pressing matter in the world for them is a Presidential affair (which I could care less about).  
    Turn on Hannity tonight and get back to me

    The best daily political discussion show is Morning Joe on MSNBC, hosted by a former Republican Congressman who still identifies as a conservative and preaches those values... a real conservative with a foundation of principals he believes in, not the new maga morons that dont know shit... show me anything similar on fox and I'll give you $20
    Hannity is a piece of shit, I hate the guy. 
    I ll check out the morning joe tomorrow and get back to you. 



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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 8,470
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
    Everyone in the world knows that fox news is biased but I wondered about MSNBC.  I didn't know much about it, I watch CNN and read the New York Times along with Yahoo news.  So I wanted to do some research to see what msnbc is all about; turns out they aren't that different than fox.  It went back to everyone making fun of op because it was a fox newspiece.

    So from the article I just posted on msnbc I guess the most pressing matter in the world for them is a Presidential affair (which I could care less about).  
    And because Faux covered it once they’re so much better? MSNBC doesn’t make up facts to suit their agenda. Report in a way that influences? Sure. But just make shit up? C’mon. And what is MSNBC’s Nielsen ratings versus Faux’s?
    Nielsen ratings:

    (I realize this is from fox....I can't find a recent one)

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/07/03/fox-news-tops-cable-news-ratings-for-66th-straight-quarter-with-q2-triumph.html

    Fox News tops cable news ratings for 66th straight quarter with Q2 triumph

    July 3, 2018

    Fox News Channel dominated cable news during the second quarter of 2018, leading all of basic cable among total viewers for the eighth straight quarter and thumping CNN in the process, according to Nielsen Media Research. 

    FNC has been the most-watched cable news network for 66 consecutive quarters.

    Fox News averaged 1.4 million total day viewers compared to 930,000 for MSNBC and only 658,000 for CNN. During the primetime hours of 8-11 p.m., Fox averaged 2.4 million total viewers compared to 1.7 million for MSNBC. CNN failed to surpass the one-million viewers plateau during primetime – averaging an audience of only 929,000 viewers.

    FNC also won both categories among the key demo of adults age 25-54, averaging 286,000 a day of those viewers and 480,000 during primetime. In the process, Fox News was home to 10 of the top 15 cable news programs in total viewers and eight of the top 15 in the coveted demo.

    “Hannity” finished the quarter as the most watched program in cable news, averaging 3.4 million total viewers for his best total since returning to 9 p.m. ET. MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show” finished second with an average of 2.8 million while “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” “The Ingraham Angle” and “The Five” round out the Top 5.

    FNC finished atop the basic cable rankings for total day viewers, with MSNBC coming in second followed by Nickelodeon, TNT HGTV and Investigation Discovery while CNN settled for No. 7. During primetime, CNN fell further down and finished tenth overall, finishing behind FNC, TNT, MSNBC, ESPN, HGTV, USA, TBS. Investigation Discovery and History.

    FNC’s sister, Fox Business Network, also topped its competition by defeating CNBC among business day viewers for the seventh consecutive quarter. CNBC hit four-year lows in both total day and primetime viewership.


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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,173
    Halifax I found a recent one!
    https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/cable-news-ratings-ingraham-angle-msnbc-1202864704/
    July 3, 2018

    The Q2 2018 cable news ratings once again have Fox News on top, with “The Ingraham Angle” posting its best month ever in June.

    “The Ingraham Angle” averaged 2.654 million viewers and 544,000 in the key adults 25-54 demo. That is the program’s highest-rated month since it launched back in October. The numbers came despite the fact that there were calls for another advertiser boycott of the program, this time over comments made by host Laura Ingraham regarding the separation of children and parents at the U.S. southern border.

    “The Ingraham Angle” was also one of the top five cable news programs in both total viewers and the demo. The top five in both measures were, in order:

    Total Viewers: “Hannity” (Fox News, 3.368 million), “The Rachel Maddow Show” (MSNBC, 2.752 million), “Tucker Carlson Tonight” (Fox News, 2.697 million), “The Ingraham Angle” (2.654 million), “The Five” (Fox News, 2.233 million)

    Adults 25-54: “Hannity” (Fox News, 685,000), “The Rachel Maddow Show” (MSNBC, 559,000), “The Ingraham Angle” (Fox News, 544,000), “Tucker Carlson Tonight” (Fox News, 541,000), “Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell” (MSNBC, 419,000)

    “Hannity” also enjoyed its best month since returning to the 9 p.m. time slot in September, helping to carry Fox News to its 66th consecutive quarter as the most-watched cable news network.

    In total day, Fox News was first with 1.409 million viewers and 286,000 in the demo. MSNBC was second in total viewers with 930,000 but third in the demo with 196,000. CNN was third in total viewers with 658,000 but second in the demo with 202,000. Only MSNBC was up in total viewers compared to Q2 2017. In fact, almost every hour of MSNBC’s daytime programming grew in the demo.

    In primetime, Fox was again number one with 2.447 million viewers and 480,000 in the demo. MSNBC was second with 1.736 million viewers and 346,000 in the demo. CNN was third with 929,000 viewers and 302,000 in the demo. MSNBC was again up in total viewers versus the same quarter last year. Fox News was up in both total viewers and the demo.

    CNN had its third-best Q2 in 23 years in total day among total viewers and the demo, just after 2017 and 2003. The network also had its third-highest daytime performance in 23 years in both measures, also following 2017 and 2003.

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 11,250
    MSNBC is definitely not as bad as fox, but they’ve sure shown their stance. They’ve fucked up a handful of times with fake news and photoshopped bullshit.  There’s a whole Wikipedia page on it.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC_controversies


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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
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    PJ_Soul said:
    MSNBC is definitely not as bad as fox, but they’ve sure shown their stance. They’ve fucked up a handful of times with fake news and photoshopped bullshit.  There’s a whole Wikipedia page on it.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC_controversies


    Just a note: there was one photoshopped photo of Palin that they didn't know was photoshopped at the time, and they apologized, and there was never any intentional fake news (fyi, reporting something wrong due to misinformation is NOT fake news).
    But didn’t you say they don’t make shit up? This one’s great.  Maybe they just accidentally cut out the 3 minutes of important video on this one?:

    Anchorwoman Andrea Mitchell was caught showing a doctored video clip of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney at a rally in Pennsylvania. The edited version features Romney saying how amazing it is to get a custom made sandwich, using a touch screen ordering device at a Wawa convenience store. What viewers didn't see or hear was nearly three minutes of Romney discussing the extensive amount of paperwork faced by an optometrist he'd talked to in trying to get the post office to change his address. He expressed mock amazement at Wawa's efficiency to underscore how the private sector is often more efficient than Government.[38][39]
    They don't seem to know what "doctored" means.
    Anyway, they didn't make anything up. Yeah, they edited a video to exclude a point Romney was making. They certainly could have just not shown it at all if they didn't feel like showing Mitt's thoughts on innovation in the private sector vs a lack of innovation in government. For some reason this woman thought him using a touchscreen was interesting?? I don't know why that would be.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,985
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax I found a recent one!
    https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/cable-news-ratings-ingraham-angle-msnbc-1202864704/
    July 3, 2018

    The Q2 2018 cable news ratings once again have Fox News on top, with “The Ingraham Angle” posting its best month ever in June.

    “The Ingraham Angle” averaged 2.654 million viewers and 544,000 in the key adults 25-54 demo. That is the program’s highest-rated month since it launched back in October. The numbers came despite the fact that there were calls for another advertiser boycott of the program, this time over comments made by host Laura Ingraham regarding the separation of children and parents at the U.S. southern border.

    “The Ingraham Angle” was also one of the top five cable news programs in both total viewers and the demo. The top five in both measures were, in order:

    Total Viewers: “Hannity” (Fox News, 3.368 million), “The Rachel Maddow Show” (MSNBC, 2.752 million), “Tucker Carlson Tonight” (Fox News, 2.697 million), “The Ingraham Angle” (2.654 million), “The Five” (Fox News, 2.233 million)

    Adults 25-54: “Hannity” (Fox News, 685,000), “The Rachel Maddow Show” (MSNBC, 559,000), “The Ingraham Angle” (Fox News, 544,000), “Tucker Carlson Tonight” (Fox News, 541,000), “Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell” (MSNBC, 419,000)

    “Hannity” also enjoyed its best month since returning to the 9 p.m. time slot in September, helping to carry Fox News to its 66th consecutive quarter as the most-watched cable news network.

    In total day, Fox News was first with 1.409 million viewers and 286,000 in the demo. MSNBC was second in total viewers with 930,000 but third in the demo with 196,000. CNN was third in total viewers with 658,000 but second in the demo with 202,000. Only MSNBC was up in total viewers compared to Q2 2017. In fact, almost every hour of MSNBC’s daytime programming grew in the demo.

    In primetime, Fox was again number one with 2.447 million viewers and 480,000 in the demo. MSNBC was second with 1.736 million viewers and 346,000 in the demo. CNN was third with 929,000 viewers and 302,000 in the demo. MSNBC was again up in total viewers versus the same quarter last year. Fox News was up in both total viewers and the demo.

    CNN had its third-best Q2 in 23 years in total day among total viewers and the demo, just after 2017 and 2003. The network also had its third-highest daytime performance in 23 years in both measures, also following 2017 and 2003.

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 15,239
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
    Everyone in the world knows that fox news is biased but I wondered about MSNBC.  I didn't know much about it, I watch CNN and read the New York Times along with Yahoo news.  So I wanted to do some research to see what msnbc is all about; turns out they aren't that different than fox.  It went back to everyone making fun of op because it was a fox newspiece.

    So from the article I just posted on msnbc I guess the most pressing matter in the world for them is a Presidential affair (which I could care less about).  
    And because Faux covered it once they’re so much better? MSNBC doesn’t make up facts to suit their agenda. Report in a way that influences? Sure. But just make shit up? C’mon. And what is MSNBC’s Nielsen ratings versus Faux’s?
    Nielsen ratings:

    Fox destroys all bud.

    Has fox actually made up facts? check that, found this (so they definitely do)

    https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/03/media/fox-news-trump-obama-iran-deal/index.html

    You are honestly unaware of the nonstop bullshit foxnews has been spewing out daily for over a couple of decades now?

    Where have you been brother?

    Its constant, and a big reason we are fucked and polarized right now
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 16,173
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax I found a recent one!
    https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/cable-news-ratings-ingraham-angle-msnbc-1202864704/
    July 3, 2018

    The Q2 2018 cable news ratings once again have Fox News on top, with “The Ingraham Angle” posting its best month ever in June.

    “The Ingraham Angle” averaged 2.654 million viewers and 544,000 in the key adults 25-54 demo. That is the program’s highest-rated month since it launched back in October. The numbers came despite the fact that there were calls for another advertiser boycott of the program, this time over comments made by host Laura Ingraham regarding the separation of children and parents at the U.S. southern border.

    “The Ingraham Angle” was also one of the top five cable news programs in both total viewers and the demo. The top five in both measures were, in order:

    Total Viewers: “Hannity” (Fox News, 3.368 million), “The Rachel Maddow Show” (MSNBC, 2.752 million), “Tucker Carlson Tonight” (Fox News, 2.697 million), “The Ingraham Angle” (2.654 million), “The Five” (Fox News, 2.233 million)

    Adults 25-54: “Hannity” (Fox News, 685,000), “The Rachel Maddow Show” (MSNBC, 559,000), “The Ingraham Angle” (Fox News, 544,000), “Tucker Carlson Tonight” (Fox News, 541,000), “Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell” (MSNBC, 419,000)

    “Hannity” also enjoyed its best month since returning to the 9 p.m. time slot in September, helping to carry Fox News to its 66th consecutive quarter as the most-watched cable news network.

    In total day, Fox News was first with 1.409 million viewers and 286,000 in the demo. MSNBC was second in total viewers with 930,000 but third in the demo with 196,000. CNN was third in total viewers with 658,000 but second in the demo with 202,000. Only MSNBC was up in total viewers compared to Q2 2017. In fact, almost every hour of MSNBC’s daytime programming grew in the demo.

    In primetime, Fox was again number one with 2.447 million viewers and 480,000 in the demo. MSNBC was second with 1.736 million viewers and 346,000 in the demo. CNN was third with 929,000 viewers and 302,000 in the demo. MSNBC was again up in total viewers versus the same quarter last year. Fox News was up in both total viewers and the demo.

    CNN had its third-best Q2 in 23 years in total day among total viewers and the demo, just after 2017 and 2003. The network also had its third-highest daytime performance in 23 years in both measures, also following 2017 and 2003.

    Thanks for making my point. The Rise of Stupid.
    It is scary how many people watch fox news.  
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  • Gtilley8Gtilley8 DetroitPosts: 971
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I find this very Interesting (I paraphrased some of the article, read the whole article below):
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/msnbc-network-of-resistance-too-busy-to-cover-yemen-crisis/

    On July 23, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) issued an “action alert”: July 2nd marked the one-year anniversary since MSNBC had last run a segment mentioning the U.S. participation in the war on Yemen, the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, in which 22 million people — three-quarters of the population — remain in desperate need of food, water, and medical aid.

    In March 2015, Saudi Arabia and eight other Sunni Arab states began their siege of Yemen, already the poorest of the Gulf nations. With logistical and intelligence support from the U.S., the U.K., and France, Saudi-led airstrikes have caused 52,800 injuries and 60 percent of civilian deaths, totaling nearly 10,000 deaths since the advent of the war, the United Nations reports.

    What has the “Network of The Resistance” chosen to report on 455 times in the past year, while every ten minutes one child under the age of five dies from starvation?

    President Trump’s affair with porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The same week that Rachel Maddow was moved to tears on national television while reading an Associated Press report regarding the “tender age” shelters in South Texas, Yemeni civilians in Hodeidah were dodging airstrikes, part of the Saudis’ “Operation Golden Victory,” which claimed 280 lives that week alone.

    While MSNBC was focusing on the scandal, their rivals at CNN and Fox News were following the developments in Yemen. On July 26, CNN published a video showing the poverty in the country and a resource-aid drop. On July 29, Fox News published a piece depicting witnesses’ accounts of the heavy fighting that killed dozens near Hodeida.

    Joy Reid says there’s a “problem.” It’s more likely that it’s MSNBC’s blind spot to significant issues their viewers would benefit from learning about.

    And what exactly has Team Trump Treason chosen to do about it? MSNBC isn't news. Its a channel devoted to opinion shows after opinion shows after opinion shows. I've never watched MSNBC for its "news." So, whats the point of pointing this out? Have Faux News viewers demanded the repubes in Congress or their president stop the blood shed? Of course not, because nobody gives a rats ass because 1) there's no oil and 2) Americans aren't dying in large enough numbers. National Review is just attacking "liberal" news media and making Faux's 1 mention into somehow they're so much better. What a hack attack piece of fluff from National Review.

    The sex with a porn star that we now know was paid off to keep quiet before the election, that had it been known before the election may have resulted in Hillary being elected, yea thats worthy of 455 times of being reported on. Whats next? No mention by MSNBC of MS13 in El Salvador and how that biases them against Team Trump Treason and the major threat confronting the US?
    Everyone in the world knows that fox news is biased but I wondered about MSNBC.  I didn't know much about it, I watch CNN and read the New York Times along with Yahoo news.  So I wanted to do some research to see what msnbc is all about; turns out they aren't that different than fox.  It went back to everyone making fun of op because it was a fox newspiece.

    So from the article I just posted on msnbc I guess the most pressing matter in the world for them is a Presidential affair (which I could care less about).  
    I don't think that's true at all. Anecdotally, l've seen people refer to it as the one channel willing to tell the truth, dating back to the Clinton News Network (CNN).
    Fair enough.  It all depend on whether you are on the left Or right.  I was specifically talking about this forum, sorry for not being more clear. 

    No, it doesn't.  It depends on whether you like facts or not.  Disagree with MSNBC all you want, they never blatantly lie.  Is there an angle, sure.  Still facts.  

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    Capitalism relies on economic growth and the exploitation of the majority working class and their labor. 

    Who wins, who losses? 

    In terms of economic grown, the minority with the most wealth wins in the short run and the working class are appeased by distractions and amusements (root of that word: a, without and muse, to think or meditate).  Give us toys and we will punch-in on time.

    Up until now at least,  economic growth relies on continued resource extraction.  How is that going?  Ask the endangered oceans or  peak in through the open window of a major extinction event.  Or check the weather.

    If growth, the ideology of the cancer cell, continues to masticate the planet,  we will all loose.  Do we want that? Why would we want that? 
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