Revitalizing The Democratic Party

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,985
    unsung said:
    Alyssa Milano says the Russians are to blame for the Dems defeat in Ohio.

    Who is Alyssa Milano?
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 10,157
    unsung said:
    Alyssa Milano says the Russians are to blame for the Dems defeat in Ohio.

    Hahahaha this is the kind of crap that minimizes the real issue with a lot of people looking for an excuse to bury their heads in the sand.

    Did she have any proof? Oh and does she live in Ohio? 
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,259
    I doubt she lives in Ohio.  I’d bet her house is safely tucked behind a gate and fence though.

    Ocasio Cortez found every one of her endorsements fail.  Democrat voters are remaining centrist and somewhat sane, at least in the Midwest.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,742
    brianlux said:
    What about Joe Kennedy III?  Seems like a good guy from what I've read. 

    Lacks "omph" when he speaks. 
    I like a dynamic speaker as much as the next person but more brains, less oomph works for me too.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,742
    Fine by me.  Bye bye, idiots.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 15,985
    brianlux said:
    Fine by me.  Bye bye, idiots.

    They should self-deport.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    brianlux said:
    What about Joe Kennedy III?  Seems like a good guy from what I've read. 

    Lacks "omph" when he speaks. 
    I don't think he does. I think he's very charming and has a good vibe about him, and also seems to know what he's talking about.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,742
    I guess that whole "ass kicking" thing works for some people.  That's not going to win my vote.  In a candidate, I'm looking for intelligence, wisdom, common sense, determination, and commitment to preserving our oceans and land base.  I'm not seeing it here.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    brianlux said:
    I guess that whole "ass kicking" thing works for some people.  That's not going to win my vote.  In a candidate, I'm looking for intelligence, wisdom, common sense, determination, and commitment to preserving our oceans and land base.  I'm not seeing it here.
    It doesn't appeal to me either... but the lady knows her audience, that's for sure.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 6,980
    unsung said:
    Alyssa Milano says the Russians are to blame for the Dems defeat in Ohio.

    This is just an embarrassing reveal about where you get your news.  
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 7,235
    https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton

    This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this? 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 495
    unsung said:
    Alyssa Milano says the Russians are to blame for the Dems defeat in Ohio.

    Who is Alyssa Milano?


    Wayne McBean's girlfriend 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,242
    benjs said:
    https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton

    This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this? 
    man, this whole system is so fucking complicated. having known zero about this leading up to 2016, it all seems so overwhelming to me. it seems odd, on the surface at least, that superdelegates even exist. 
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,396
    edited August 29
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,742
    benjs said:
    https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton

    This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this? 
    I have to learn more about this, but somehow the idea of "super delegates" just doesn't sound right.  Any thoughts as to the pros and cons?
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 495
    edited August 29
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton

    This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this? 
    I have to learn more about this, but somehow the idea of "super delegates" just doesn't sound right.  Any thoughts as to the pros and cons?


    It allowed party insiders to manipulate results and avoid a "brokered" convention, which could make the party look bad at it's convention on national tv

    In 2016, about 10-15% of all delegates were superdelegates, and most were for the establishment Candidate HRC and against Bernie. They usually are comprised of retired politicians and up and coming state and local politicians, eager to support the "insider."

    The DNC just passed a rule prohibiting superdelegates from voting on the first ballot,which might not have that much impact.

    Let's say after all the primaries  Bernie is winning the delegate count 45 - 44%. He still does not have   over 50% needed to win. 

    Under the old system, it was possible for HRC to get the majority of super delegates to hand her the nomination on the first ballot. This is still possible, but would need to occur on the second ballot with the new rules.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    edited August 29
    benjs said:
    https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton

    This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this? 
    I don't understand how populism could be blamed on getting rid of superdelegates, which I think are insane. Can you please explain what you mean?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,242
    PJ_Soul said:
    benjs said:
    https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton

    This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this? 
    I don't understand how populism could be blamed on getting rid of superdelegates, which I think are insane. Can you please explain what you mean?
    my understanding is that superdelegates are not held to the will of any voter. they vote for the primary candidate they like best. delegates are there to represent the people that chose them. you get rid of the superdelegates, then the people are represented fully and no "wild card" choices are allowed. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,742
    brianlux said:
    benjs said:
    https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton

    This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this? 
    I have to learn more about this, but somehow the idea of "super delegates" just doesn't sound right.  Any thoughts as to the pros and cons?


    It allowed party insiders to manipulate results and avoid a "brokered" convention, which could make the party look bad at it's convention on national tv

    In 2016, about 10-15% of all delegates were superdelegates, and most were for the establishment Candidate HRC and against Bernie. They usually are comprised of retired politicians and up and coming state and local politicians, eager to support the "insider."

    The DNC just passed a rule prohibiting superdelegates from voting on the first ballot,which might not have that much impact.

    Let's say after all the primaries  Bernie is winning the delegate count 45 - 44%. He still does not have   over 50% needed to win. 

    Under the old system, it was possible for HRC to get the majority of super delegates to hand her the nomination on the first ballot. This is still possible, but would need to occur on the second ballot with the new rules.
    Thank you!  I'll try to digest all that.  It sounds too much like chess to me, haha!
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    PJ_Soul said:
    benjs said:
    https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton

    This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this? 
    I don't understand how populism could be blamed on getting rid of superdelegates, which I think are insane. Can you please explain what you mean?
    my understanding is that superdelegates are not held to the will of any voter. they vote for the primary candidate they like best. delegates are there to represent the people that chose them. you get rid of the superdelegates, then the people are represented fully and no "wild card" choices are allowed. 
    Thanks....... I still don't get how getting rid of superdelegates could be said to lead to populism. And what brand of populism are we talking about anyhow? The real meaning, or the kind that exists in grim reality?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 15,242
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    benjs said:
    https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton

    This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this? 
    I don't understand how populism could be blamed on getting rid of superdelegates, which I think are insane. Can you please explain what you mean?
    my understanding is that superdelegates are not held to the will of any voter. they vote for the primary candidate they like best. delegates are there to represent the people that chose them. you get rid of the superdelegates, then the people are represented fully and no "wild card" choices are allowed. 
    Thanks....... I still don't get how getting rid of superdelegates could be said to lead to populism. And what brand of populism are we talking about anyhow? The real meaning, or the kind that exists in grim reality?
    the will of the people. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    edited August 29
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    benjs said:
    https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton

    This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this? 
    I don't understand how populism could be blamed on getting rid of superdelegates, which I think are insane. Can you please explain what you mean?
    my understanding is that superdelegates are not held to the will of any voter. they vote for the primary candidate they like best. delegates are there to represent the people that chose them. you get rid of the superdelegates, then the people are represented fully and no "wild card" choices are allowed. 
    Thanks....... I still don't get how getting rid of superdelegates could be said to lead to populism. And what brand of populism are we talking about anyhow? The real meaning, or the kind that exists in grim reality?
    the will of the people. 
    So the dictionary definition. ;) I gathered that benjs posed that question as though populism is a negative, not a positive, which is why I don't get why getting rid of superdelegates would lead to it in that context. If populism in reality were simply "the will of the people" we certainly wouldn't all be so concerned about it. It's a whole lot more sinister than that in practice.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,742
    edited August 29
    Why don't we just vote and count up the votes?  Or would that be simplifying bureaucrazy too much and making things too plain and simple for this mixed up cracy world?

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 42,727
    brianlux said:
    Why don't we just vote and count up the votes?  Or would that be simplifying bureaucrazy too much and making things too plain and simple for this mixed up cracy world?

    Why don't the parties just have their own internal nominations and elections for leaders and then tell the public who they chose to run on their behalf, and these parties could just leave all the poor Americans alone FFS. The whole insanely long process of the primaries totally fucks with everyone's head and degrades the office of the president in a re-election cycle, and it's completely unnecessary.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,396
    Maybe they can just pick candidates from hat ...
  • Kev - Coat and KeysKev - Coat and Keys EarthPosts: 333
    As the superdelegates (elected people, former leaders etc.) will still endorse their favoured candidate during primaries they will have the same level of influence just not in a mathematical tie-breaking way at the end - right?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,742
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    Why don't we just vote and count up the votes?  Or would that be simplifying bureaucrazy too much and making things too plain and simple for this mixed up cracy world?

    Why don't the parties just have their own internal nominations and elections for leaders and then tell the public who they chose to run on their behalf, and these parties could just leave all the poor Americans alone FFS. The whole insanely long process of the primaries totally fucks with everyone's head and degrades the office of the president in a re-election cycle, and it's completely unnecessary.
    My guess is it, the longer and more complex it all takes, the more TV time, the more ads, the more money someone makes.  Just a swag.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 24,742
    Maybe they can just pick candidates from hat ...
    Yeah!  Big goddamn hat though!  :lol:
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 2,396
    brianlux said:
    Maybe they can just pick candidates from hat ...
    Yeah!  Big goddamn hat though!  :lol:
    The republicans should have ... that method might have yielded a better candidate.
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